are terrorists really muslims??

[Aim64C]

Dafuq are you talking about? If they try to kill me, obviously I will fight back. I will put my life on the line to defend my way of life against their Islam, not mine.

You still don't seem to understand. They already are in your life, pushing for laws in your country, and making those who turn from Islam disappear.

The problem is that Islam is Islam. Just because you are allowed to have a pattern of life that is not Islamic does not mean that your community is of the same belief as you.

I think maybe, you should try to stop and think about why people in the Middle East are turning to religion and violence as a whole. People are not going to do so simply because they find a verse in a book, no, they use the verses in the book to justify their violence.

It's a shame you can't currently understand the irony of this statement.

All of the flack religious conservatives catch, and you suddenly believe that people in the middle east are somehow not going to get the idea for violence from their book that mandates violent conquest as a religious duty?

When you have people talking about the 'miracle' of the Qu'ran... you suddenly act surprised when they take the language in it seriously? Funny thing - when you perpetuate the myth of the Qur'an's 'miraculous' and 'incorruptible' status... people take its claims about being the revelation from God quite seriously.... and the commands to conquest mean orders from the being who created the world.

Being from a western society - I understand you have a diminished view of deities, in general, and do not have a lot of faith in metaphysical power or miraculous action.

But in places like Africa, people are arrested on suspicion of being shape-shifters (or, rather - goats are arrested on suspicion that they are criminals who used shape-shifting magic). Many parts of the world have a much more devout belief in miracles and the paranormal (or divine intervention). When they see a book that is held up as being a miracle and it says to do stuff - they take the command quite seriously.

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Case in point.

That 28 percent also includes people who will resort to violence to defend their rights for religious freedom. That question is really looking at it in a black and white view.

Religious freedom must be understood within the Islamic context.

There is only freedom for Islam within the Qu'ran. There is not freedom for other religions. That is in direct conflict to the commands of the Qu'ran:

9:33 It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.

In other words - Islam is to rule over all other religions. "Religious freedom" is the right for Islam to do just that. It doesn't mean anything else.

This is why terrorists shoot up places that portray pictures of Muhammad. To allow others to do that is tantamount to allowing another group to violate the laws of Islam - which are supposed to reign supreme. Thus - a punishment is levied. When Islam is not the legal authority - this manifests as a terrorist action.

 

[Ciao]

nuke isis

 

[BLAZE]

Dude what kind of Q is that :|

Dafuq are you talking about?

A load of Bullshit one after other

 

[Aim64C]

in the quran it clearly says dont kill a human being
[17:33] You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder; he will be helped.

You're new around here.

I'm Aim.

I know more about the Qu'ran than you... or, if I don't, I'm the guy you will be working to kill.

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Surat 17 must be understood within its literal context. There are numerous things happening in the surat, which should be noted as being simply a fragment. 17:33 reads as follows:

" And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right. And whoever is killed unjustly - We have given his heir authority, but let him not exceed limits in [the matter of] taking life. Indeed, he has been supported [by the law]. "

17:16 reads: And when We intend to destroy a city, We command its affluent but they defiantly disobey therein; so the word comes into effect upon it, and We destroy it with [complete] destruction.

17:17 reads: And how many have We destroyed from the generations after Noah. And sufficient is your Lord, concerning the sins of His servants, as Acquainted and Seeing.

Parts of this surat are meant to be levied against the Jews in an attempt to recruit followers from them. They are appeals to teachings allegedly within the Torah that the Jews have corrupted, forgotten, or broken.

Clearly, here, the divine consequence for a nation refusing to accept divine decree (which the Qu'ran is claimed to be) is utter destruction.

17:105 And with the truth We have sent the Qur'an down, and with the truth it has descended. And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a bringer of good tidings and a warner.

17:106 And [it is] a Qur'an which We have separated [by intervals] that you might recite it to the people over a prolonged period. And We have sent it down progressively.

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Surat At-Tawbah is one of the last revealed surats and contains what the Qu'ran, itself, insists are the most authoritative of revelations:

9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.

9:14 Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people

9:15 And remove the fury in the believers' hearts. And Allah turns in forgiveness to whom He wills; and Allah is Knowing and Wise.

- This right here is important as the Qu'ran is revealing that God punishes by the hands of his believers for the cause of satisfying feelings of rage. This pretty much opens up all instances of "allow God to punish" to "it is the role of believers to punish."

9:16 Do you think that you will be left [as you are] while Allah has not yet made evident those among you who strive [for His cause] and do not take other than Allah , His Messenger and the believers as intimates? And Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

This is a condemnation against those who would argue against the use of violence.

9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

9:30 The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

- We just discussed what this means.

9:31 They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

32 They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.

33 It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.

Islam is to be dominant per the Qu'ran - per Islam.

No, they aren't Muslims. They just call themselves Muslims to carry on with their terrorism while simultaneously degrading Muslims. Any sensible person would know that they aren't Muslims just by analyzing what they're doing.

Any sensible person who reads the Qu'ran (see above) understands that they are doing exactly what the Qur'an commands them to do - wage war against those who do not submit to the rule of Islam.

It's really very simple.

 

[Yatori]

Christian.
Jewish.
Muslim.
Hindu.
Buddhist.

Terrorist.

Know the difference.
#Condemn the terrorists, not the religion

 

[The Demon Hawk]

You're new around here.

I'm Aim.

I know more about the Qu'ran than you... or, if I don't, I'm the guy you will be working to kill.

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Surat 17 must be understood within its literal context. There are numerous things happening in the surat, which should be noted as being simply a fragment. 17:33 reads as follows:

" And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right. And whoever is killed unjustly - We have given his heir authority, but let him not exceed limits in [the matter of] taking life. Indeed, he has been supported [by the law]. "

17:16 reads: And when We intend to destroy a city, We command its affluent but they defiantly disobey therein; so the word comes into effect upon it, and We destroy it with [complete] destruction.

17:17 reads: And how many have We destroyed from the generations after Noah. And sufficient is your Lord, concerning the sins of His servants, as Acquainted and Seeing.

Parts of this surat are meant to be levied against the Jews in an attempt to recruit followers from them. They are appeals to teachings allegedly within the Torah that the Jews have corrupted, forgotten, or broken.

Clearly, here, the divine consequence for a nation refusing to accept divine decree (which the Qu'ran is claimed to be) is utter destruction.

17:105 And with the truth We have sent the Qur'an down, and with the truth it has descended. And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a bringer of good tidings and a warner.

17:106 And [it is] a Qur'an which We have separated [by intervals] that you might recite it to the people over a prolonged period. And We have sent it down progressively.

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Surat At-Tawbah is one of the last revealed surats and contains what the Qu'ran, itself, insists are the most authoritative of revelations:

9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.

9:14 Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people

9:15 And remove the fury in the believers' hearts. And Allah turns in forgiveness to whom He wills; and Allah is Knowing and Wise.

- This right here is important as the Qu'ran is revealing that God punishes by the hands of his believers for the cause of satisfying feelings of rage. This pretty much opens up all instances of "allow God to punish" to "it is the role of believers to punish."

9:16 Do you think that you will be left [as you are] while Allah has not yet made evident those among you who strive [for His cause] and do not take other than Allah , His Messenger and the believers as intimates? And Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

This is a condemnation against those who would argue against the use of violence.

9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

9:30 The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

- We just discussed what this means.

9:31 They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

32 They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.

33 It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.

Islam is to be dominant per the Qu'ran - per Islam.



Any sensible person who reads the Qu'ran (see above) understands that they are doing exactly what the Qur'an commands them to do - wage war against those who do not submit to the rule of Islam.

It's really very simple.

Misinterpretation at its finest.

 

[Aim64C]

Misinterpretation at its finest.

Oh, do tell.

Share with the class, now.

 

[King of the Heavens]

I'm an atheist.

Then you can't say whether they're muslim's or not cause they don't follow islam or probably don't even know what it stands for otherwise they wouldn't be doing what they're doing.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

nuke isis

then another terrorist group will pop up??

 

[Izou Xaxa]

I saw one video on something like that. It involved people that are mentally ill and FBI.

Good thing, otherwise we would be calling them Muslims/islamic.

My theory is that ISIS was invented by America or someone who was against America and they use it to get rid of Islam

I believe there must eb a reason why often muslims got attacked in the past and now there is all War

Probay someone is manipulating something there

 

[King of the Heavens]

You're new around here.

I'm Aim.

I know more about the Qu'ran than you... or, if I don't, I'm the guy you will be working to kill.

You must be registered for see links

Surat 17 must be understood within its literal context. There are numerous things happening in the surat, which should be noted as being simply a fragment. 17:33 reads as follows:

" And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right. And whoever is killed unjustly - We have given his heir authority, but let him not exceed limits in [the matter of] taking life. Indeed, he has been supported [by the law]. "

17:16 reads: And when We intend to destroy a city, We command its affluent but they defiantly disobey therein; so the word comes into effect upon it, and We destroy it with [complete] destruction.

17:17 reads: And how many have We destroyed from the generations after Noah. And sufficient is your Lord, concerning the sins of His servants, as Acquainted and Seeing.

Parts of this surat are meant to be levied against the Jews in an attempt to recruit followers from them. They are appeals to teachings allegedly within the Torah that the Jews have corrupted, forgotten, or broken.

Clearly, here, the divine consequence for a nation refusing to accept divine decree (which the Qu'ran is claimed to be) is utter destruction.

17:105 And with the truth We have sent the Qur'an down, and with the truth it has descended. And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a bringer of good tidings and a warner.

17:106 And [it is] a Qur'an which We have separated [by intervals] that you might recite it to the people over a prolonged period. And We have sent it down progressively.

You must be registered for see links

Surat At-Tawbah is one of the last revealed surats and contains what the Qu'ran, itself, insists are the most authoritative of revelations:

9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers.

9:14 Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people

9:15 And remove the fury in the believers' hearts. And Allah turns in forgiveness to whom He wills; and Allah is Knowing and Wise.

- This right here is important as the Qu'ran is revealing that God punishes by the hands of his believers for the cause of satisfying feelings of rage. This pretty much opens up all instances of "allow God to punish" to "it is the role of believers to punish."

9:16 Do you think that you will be left [as you are] while Allah has not yet made evident those among you who strive [for His cause] and do not take other than Allah , His Messenger and the believers as intimates? And Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

This is a condemnation against those who would argue against the use of violence.

9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

9:30 The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?

- We just discussed what this means.

9:31 They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah , and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

32 They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah refuses except to perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.

33 It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.

Islam is to be dominant per the Qu'ran - per Islam.



Any sensible person who reads the Qu'ran (see above) understands that they are doing exactly what the Qur'an commands them to do - wage war against those who do not submit to the rule of Islam.

It's really very simple.

I'm a muslim and have been for my whole life from what i can tell so far from your past posts your not. If someone is killed then that person's family has the right by law to kill that person as well (they way he killed that family member) or he pays a hefty fine, it depends on what the family chooses.

my theory is that isis was invented by america or someone who was against america and they use it to get rid of islam

i believe there must eb a reason why often muslims got attacked in the past and now there is all war

probay someone is manipulating something there

isis = israel secret intelligent service.

 

[Izou Xaxa]

isis = israel secret intelligent service.

Yeah and since Israel is allied with America it makes sense

 

[Ripple Hole]

then another terrorist group will pop up??

Everytime.
Because all terrorists cannot be killed, don't bother mentioning thoughts of ending ISIS?
There are already other terrorist groups, but ISIS happens to be a big problem around
the globe, getting rid of it obviously takes a chunk out of terrorism. It's not like ISIS is
subduing dozens of caged terrorist groups that'll release the same hell ISIS is doing atm
if ISIS crumbles.

Getting feels you actually support them.

 

[Wabbit]

how are they muslims when they bomb muslim countries and slaughter muslims everyday?? can someone explain?? :bdpf:

Ever heard about terms like inner politics
Its about power, Islamic radicals attack muslim governments because they are not supporting their demands or belong to another sect. The whole syrian war is about 2 different sects of muslims. They punish their own because they are not muslim enough.
In a non islamic country if you are a muslim and taken hostage by islamic terrorists, there are more chances terrorists will spare you.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Everytime.
Because all terrorists cannot be killed, don't bother mentioning thoughts of ending ISIS?
There are already other terrorist groups, but ISIS happens to be a big problem around
the globe, getting rid of it obviously takes a chunk out of terrorism. It's not like ISIS is
subduing dozens of caged terrorist groups that'll release the same hell ISIS is doing atm
if ISIS crumbles.

Getting feels you actually support them.

Support isis are you a retard?!! I want them to be exterminated as much ad you want..please dont jump into conclusions like an idiot all im saying is even if you take them down there will always be another one that will take its place in the future people join isis everyday you think these people ideals will change when isis is exterminated?? No they will join another terrorist group or simply create a new one.
The only way to end terrorism is to destroy these radical ideals.

 

[Ripple Hole]

Support isis are you a retard?!! I want them to be exterminated as much ad you want..please dont jump into conclusions like an idiot all im saying is even if you take them down there will always be another one that will take its place in the future people join isis everyday you think these people ideals will change when isis is exterminated?? No they will join another terrorist group or simply create a new one.
The only way to end terrorism is to destroy these radical ideals.

The radical ideals stem from the people themselves or the book.:bdpf:
One of them has to burn.

 

[Filosoofis]

well isis isnt even considered muslims anymore


was it confirmed tho if not stfu


lel are you stupid or what you do knw that only 1 percent of muslims are bad right*bombers etc* who said islam is dying islam is the fastest growing religion meh i dont have time to argue with simple minded people like you.

It was confirmed a long time ago. Don't talk to me like that when I speak the truth. I know it is sad for the French people but don't deny that they are Muslim even tho they are radical Muslim.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

The radical ideals stem from the people themselves or the book.:bdpf:
One of them has to burn.

Id much rather have no religion tbh :bdpf:

 

[Amaterasu]

Any sensible person who reads the Qu'ran (see above) understands that they are doing exactly what the Qur'an commands them to do - wage war against those who do not submit to the rule of Islam.

It's really very simple.

So for you every Muslim are doing the Charia ?

Terrorism doesn't have any religions

 

[Ripple Hole]

Id much rather have no religion tbh :bdpf:

Id rather have you don't want :Sparks: