[Discussion] Are some people born smarter than others?

[Jazzy Stardust]

First of all It doesn't nullify the thread. I said it's possible for someone to improve their intelligence even if they are born average, this doesn't cancel out the theory that people are born smarter than you.

Let's say you are born with 100 IQ and I am born with 110 IQ. I was born naturally smarter than you were but if you train your mind and surpass me then It just means you practiced to become smarter while I was BORN smarter but didn't train it as much as you did.

Also about the second statement about attraction, don't take this as an insult but It's very easy to make a child want to learn something or care about something. You just don't understand the psychology of it.

I will give you a direct example, my mother always loved to do art when she was young but quit. She decided that her son/daughter would be good at art but didn't want to force me to love it. What she did was even when I drew terrible pictures, she encouraged me and told me they were very good and that I was gifted, the reward was my mother's attention and compliments so even though I didn't care about art I carried on and became good. Now I carry on because It would be a waste of talent to quit art now and It has many benefits so I carry on for fun and it turns out I am passionate to some extent now.

So the guy that said he could raise a doctor or a lawyer could use different trick to make them passionate about it... I mean he was a psychologist so he should know better than my mother.

i never said people cant get smarter relax, im disagreeing that they can in any area.

@bold: you did actually care about the art otherwise you wouldve dropped it. your mom would probably support you in whatever you wanted to do, they usually do that. but you kept going because there are things you enjoy about it plus it makes your mom proud

for instance i have a baby sister who has a drum set. she only plays solely when asked by my father because it makes him smile. doesnt mean she's playing it on her own for fun, she never did or does and probably wont. she doesnt care about it even if you encourage it, doesnt listen or care for tips, only plays when asked when company is around. she rather do everything else than play the drums if she had the option. tons of parents try to make their kids do things they did and completely fail because the kid just doesn't get it

 

[Donald J Trump]

i never said people cant get smarter relax, im disagreeing that they can in any area.

@bold: you did actually care about the art otherwise you wouldve dropped it. your mom would probably support you in whatever you wanted to do, they usually do that. but you kept going because there are thing you enjoy about it.

for instance i have a baby sister who has a drum set. she only plays solely when asked by my father because it makes him smile. doesnt mean she's playing it on her own for fun, she never did or does and probably wont. she doesnt care about it even if you encourage it, doesnt listen or care for tips, only plays when asked when company is around. she rather do everything else than play the drums if she had the option

I didn't care about it. The only time I drew was when my mother asked me to draw her something. If I cared to draw, I would have done it without anyone asking me. Towards age of 8 to 11, what fueled me to do art is that I was competitive and wanted to be good like everyone else, whether it was art or doing push ups it didn't matter, I wanted to be good.

 

[roark]

yeah, there's people who are born smarter than others, but anyway, some people need to define the concept of smart, there's a lot of types of intelligences.

Moreover, intelligence can be refined, so there's no use just being smart. Hard work is often more important than being genius.

I think we are equal at the time of our birth under the law and our rights.

 

[Yami Silver]

This is the theory I came up with a few months ago when walking down my street.
You take a chimpanzee and you take a human baby. You feed both of them correctly and try and teach them the same things with the same methods. After 5 years, I think it would be safe to assume that the baby would be more intelligent than the Chimpanzee.
What does this mean?

This means that if this can happen when the circumstances are same and a human can be superior because of it’s chemistry or genetics then It suggests that some people can be born smarter. If someone can be born “retarded” or incapable of complex thoughts then is it fair to assume the opposite can happen?
There are 7 billion people on the planet, not every single one of them is born with the same chemical balance and genetics. Some people are tall , some people are short and just like that way some people are born smart and some are not. I think when it comes to intelligence the reason people don’t admit this so easy is because they don’t want to be on the lower end or they don’t want to admit that other people are smarter than them.

However I think this part is very important: One person said that he could raise a healthy baby to go in any career, Lawyer,Doctor, Bin man or even an artist. I think the reason for this is because ones intelligence can be improved and normally the improvement potential is ENOUGH to be able to work in a certain field.
What this means is that If I have an IQ of 100, I can quite potentially raise it to 115 or maybe even 120 which would mean that I am capable of mastering or going into generally any profession. This means that development is possible when it comes to intelligence but it’s not all development and it’s not ALL about being born smart. Generally the development is enough to get you where you need to be.

I completely agree.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

I didn't care about it. The only time I drew was when my mother asked me to draw her something. If I cared to draw, I would have done it without anyone asking me. Towards age of 8 to 11, what fueled me to do art is that I was competitive and wanted to be good like everyone else, whether it was art or doing push ups it didn't matter, I wanted to be good.

again you had the attraction. the most cliche thing, a parent putting up their kids drawing on the fridge. kids get congratulated for everything, im sure there were a lot of things you did as a kid you no longer do today. im sure your mom thought a lot of things you did as a kid were swell that you didnt pursue. you had to learn and want to learn art. your mom couldnt teach you about values of light and dark as a kid as much as she wanted to without forcing you through punishment, encouraging you is a nice story but didnt guarantee anything in your development or comphrension

 

[Deadlift]

I don't believe so. Everyone is convinced he's smarter than others

 

[roark]

First of all It doesn't nullify the thread. I said it's possible for someone to improve their intelligence even if they are born average, this doesn't cancel out the theory that people are born smarter than you.

Let's say you are born with 100 IQ and I am born with 110 IQ. I was born naturally smarter than you were but if you train your mind and surpass me then It just means you practiced to become smarter while I was BORN smarter but didn't train it as much as you did.

Also about the second statement about attraction, don't take this as an insult but It's very easy to make a child want to learn something or care about something. You just don't understand the psychology of it.

I will give you a direct example, my mother always loved to do art when she was young but quit. She decided that her son/daughter would be good at art but didn't want to force me to love it. What she did was even when I drew terrible pictures, she encouraged me and told me they were very good and that I was gifted, the reward was my mother's attention and compliments so even though I didn't care about art I carried on and became good. Now I carry on because It would be a waste of talent to quit art now and It has many benefits so I carry on for fun and it turns out I am passionate to some extent now.

So the guy that said he could raise a doctor or a lawyer could use different trick to make them passionate about it... I mean he was a psychologist so he should know better than my mother.

I completly agree with you.
Being good in some field doesn't necessarily mean being smart, honestly. Usually intelligent and talented ones have an easier time accomplishing and understanding the subjects, but if it will be be useful or carried forward is related to the stimulus of the family, of the school and the environment in general.

 

[SSStylish]

I can't really argue against that. I agree that you are capable of improving your critical thinking etc. to a certain extend if you try hard enough. But as you said, it's not all training. Most people can try their whole live and will never be as smart as someone with an IQ of 160 for example. So yes, some people are born smarter because of better genetics and/or luck.

 

[Fountain]

Yes but we're all stupid in the end anyway XD

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

it's all about brain capacity that's why humans are born smarter than a chimpanzee but when it comes to humans it's all comes to which parts of your brain is more active

for example if one person's emotional intelligence is high that means the part of brain that responsible is more active but if your emotional intelligence is not high and you relay on logic that means even though you can develop your emotional intelligence to some extent it will not be as natural as your natural intelligence .

 

[Tera Path]

Well obviously If the guy was interested in brains and is smart enough to do test, studies and confidently state things, HE himself must be smart. His kids may have become chess prodigies because of their parent's passing it down. Let's see him make a genius out of a child who has an average-under average intelligent parents.

The dad was average at chess, just a regular chess teacher and a psychologist I believe.
@bold He's 70 years old now and I'm not so sure if a family with "not so smart" parents would just relinquish their child to him for the sake of his experiment.
I say the experiment was rather successful, having 1 child and having it turn out to be a genius is one thing but having 3 children from an average/above average father and mother all become geniuses is another.

 

[Marin]

Idk how big of the factor the birth is but in general obviously some are smarter than others.

 

[Donald J Trump]

The dad was average at chess, just a regular chess teacher and a psychologist I believe.
@bold He's 70 years old now and I'm not so sure if a family with "not so smart" parents would just relinquish their child to him for the sake of his experiment.
I say the experiment was rather successful, having 1 child and having it turn out to be a genius is one thing but having 3 children from an average/above average father and mother all become geniuses is another.

My assumption is this, the guy had at least a 120 IQ. If you read my theory I stated that you could improve your intelligence through sheer work.

If their kids had 120 IQ and he worked with them to get 15/20 points, that's near damn Genius so no surprise. That's assuming that the kids are same as their dad... maybe they were higher.

BUT I do think he or you are onto something, producing 3 geniuses is an amazing feat indeed.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

Apparently so.

 

[Chihaya]

Yeah of course someone can be born smater.
It's all in the genetics of your mom/dad/grandma/grandpa/etc.
Learned all about this in Biology..

 

[Venomous Cobra]

People often confuse intellect with knowledge. Furthermore, intellectualism is not fully dependent on intellect. There are many different facets of intelligence which allow a person to adapt to a changing environment.

Despite the little vague point ,I second this. OP draw your own conclusion from this.

 

[nefraiko]

if the smartness you talk about is the ability to process an amount of information and make a rational decision based on that processing then yes.

their are people who can process information and make rational decision based on these information in shorter time than others. that makes them smarter if you take that definition. I might be wrong but I think it is related to the quality of the brain.

but their are other definitions of intelligence and smartness.

 

[Xlad]

What defines intelligence? I just know it isn't really smart to compare a chimp to a human.

 

[Donald J Trump]

What defines intelligence? I just know it isn't really smart to compare a chimp to a human.

Chimp is a perfect example. You would only think that if you didn't understand it. Which you didn't based on what you said.

 

[Tarkatower]

yes, now if only i was one of dem!