muutobirama3rdraikagemizu
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1 hashi was called a fairy tail same as so6p 2 2nd and first were being controlled 3 fodder 4 weak kages except 5 fodder said those things 6 they got soloed by hanzo
Are people starting to underrate Hiruzen Sarutobi?
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CharlieBundels
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From time you're comparing Hashirama to an undead you know Hashirama is one crazy brethren.
No, just no.
Im gonna let you say that Sarutobi was great, but by far not the strongest.
Are you watching the last manga? Are you seeing how strong is Madara? Do you know that Hashirama beat the beast Madara? Madara against 5 kages, and wins easily. So strongest hokage is Hashirama. period.
Sarutobi trully though Minato was better than him, remember that when he wasnt that old (14 years before his death) Minato was already hokage, and you dont give a man that responsibility if you dont think he is better than you.
IMO, there was a "hype" all around Sarutobi just to make a nice environment for the fight. Just imagine if they didnt say that: Orochimaru fighting against a "weak" hokage, totally anticlimatic.
You say beating Oro+1st+2nd hokages, but that has been stated many times, edo-tensei jutsu are as strong as the knowledge about the edo-tensed ninja. If you know all about his techniques, you can use him properly, if not, (as we can see with madara, for example) you let him go free and do it by himself. At that time, Orochimaru didnt use hokages properly, hence the defeat. Kabuto developed the new binding jutsu that made the edo-tensed ninjas force them to attack/defense at 100% even if they doesnt want.
He might have been good with jutsu, ok. He might have been a good hokage, ok. But definitely he was NOT the strongest Hokage, neither the best at his prime comparing "prime" times.
Im gonna let you say that Sarutobi was great, but by far not the strongest.
Are you watching the last manga? Are you seeing how strong is Madara? Do you know that Hashirama beat the beast Madara? Madara against 5 kages, and wins easily. So strongest hokage is Hashirama. period.
Sarutobi trully though Minato was better than him, remember that when he wasnt that old (14 years before his death) Minato was already hokage, and you dont give a man that responsibility if you dont think he is better than you.
IMO, there was a "hype" all around Sarutobi just to make a nice environment for the fight. Just imagine if they didnt say that: Orochimaru fighting against a "weak" hokage, totally anticlimatic.
You say beating Oro+1st+2nd hokages, but that has been stated many times, edo-tensei jutsu are as strong as the knowledge about the edo-tensed ninja. If you know all about his techniques, you can use him properly, if not, (as we can see with madara, for example) you let him go free and do it by himself. At that time, Orochimaru didnt use hokages properly, hence the defeat. Kabuto developed the new binding jutsu that made the edo-tensed ninjas force them to attack/defense at 100% even if they doesnt want.
He might have been good with jutsu, ok. He might have been a good hokage, ok. But definitely he was NOT the strongest Hokage, neither the best at his prime comparing "prime" times.
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360NoScopeKamui
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Are you saying Hiruzen was fodder? He sealed himself in order to seal Hasirama, Tobirama, and attempt to seal Orochimaru. Hashirama and Tobirama were the ones who were actually defeated in battle (Hashi in some nameless pre-1st SWW conflict, Tobi during the 1st SWW).
360NoScopeKamui
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The Madara defeated by Hashirama, from what we know, was far below the power of current Edo Madara. Edo Madara has an immortal body, the Rinnegan, Senju DNA...he had none of those things when he fought Hashirama.
HiruzenSwag
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Kishimoto in a interview has stated that both the 3rd and 4th hokages are neck and neck for the title of strongest dead ninja aside from the s06p i assume
Ero sennin jiraiya
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I think that Hiruzen was a lot stronger than people are giving him credit for these days, but I don't think he was the strongest hokage. Hashirama had to have been stronger than him on the amount of hype that he gets.
I don't know about minato. Was it actually stated in the manga minato was stronger than him? If so where?
I don't know about minato. Was it actually stated in the manga minato was stronger than him? If so where?
Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama and Tobirama. I'm confident that Hashirama and Tobirama taught Hiruzen all they knew, after all, they would not want to appoint a Hokage who was weaker and less versed in jutsu than them. I think that's why Hiruzen is called the professor for knowing all the techniques in Konoha and having mastered over 1000 jutsu, Hashirama knew plenty of jutsu techniques and understood those that he didn't know so the knowledge was passed on to Hiruzen. However, a > b > c logic doesn't work in Naruto. Just because Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama and Tobirama, it doesn't mean he's stronger than Madara.
About prime Hiruzen, we can only speculate how strong he was. One thing is for certain, though, is that he was definitely stronger, faster, and had larger chakra reserves than he did in his old age. Taking into account his old age and Enma calling the fight miserable compared to his prime (Hiruzen did quite well considering he faced two of the strongest shinobi in their time along with an s rank criminal Orochimaru), it MIGHT NOT be an exaggeration to say he could've handled the fight without breaking a sweat in his younger years since he would be stronger, faster, and would have larger chakra reserves to make 2 kage bunshins to aid in fighting against his two former teachers. Again, this is purely speculation, but I'm interested in what people have to say as their counter response.
About prime Hiruzen, we can only speculate how strong he was. One thing is for certain, though, is that he was definitely stronger, faster, and had larger chakra reserves than he did in his old age. Taking into account his old age and Enma calling the fight miserable compared to his prime (Hiruzen did quite well considering he faced two of the strongest shinobi in their time along with an s rank criminal Orochimaru), it MIGHT NOT be an exaggeration to say he could've handled the fight without breaking a sweat in his younger years since he would be stronger, faster, and would have larger chakra reserves to make 2 kage bunshins to aid in fighting against his two former teachers. Again, this is purely speculation, but I'm interested in what people have to say as their counter response.
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TheSages456
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keep bullshitting. perfect susano is the height of edo madaras power and hashirama beat it. if hashirama beat madaras strongest tech then he can beat some other inferior techs.
360NoScopeKamui
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Rinnegan, greater chakra reserves, immortal body and wood release = inferior techs?
By the way, from Madara's own words, isn't it likely that he didn't actually use Perfect Susano'o against Hashirama?
Chapter 592, Page 4.
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360NoScopeKamui
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Yeah, Edo Madara is OP as all get out. It'll be interesting to see if Kishi can come up with a plausible way of killing/sealing him.
TheSages456
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perfect susano is edo madaras full power as stated by madara himself. his mokuton and meteors are weaker than his perfect susano and hashirama beat perfect susano which means that he can beat madaras other techs.
outdated info is outdated. that scan doesnt even prove that perfect susano wasnt used regardless.
this is the viz translation:
Mei:"How's this possible?!"
Madara:"Don't you get it? Your ridiculously juvenile jutsu can't hold me."
Mei SFX: RRRK RRRK
Madara:"Now... The perfect Susano'o... Everyone who sees it dies... Or so they say.
I'm almost embarassed to have to do this again... I already used it once, but..."
at the bold. madara says "or so they say" which implies that someone survived it before. so madara never denied hashirama fighting perfect susano.
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360NoScopeKamui
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It's not a linear progression. It's all linked together. Edo Madara has aspects which make him exponentially stronger than he was when he was alive and battling Hashirama. Any measure of Hashirama's actual level of power during that period is supposition, just like we can't truly know Hiruzen's full power in his "prime" as we are only aware of it through Enma's testimony and his general reputation as the "God of Shinobi."
yea me too, hes good noi shit.
But why are we talking about this. Hurzien hasnt been talked about on the forums for a long time. So i dont know where ur statement of ppl underrating him is coming from.