Are God and Lucifer...

[Konohas Yellow Flash]

So God talks to you now..... What is crazy? You or the people at those mental institutions. That is what people don't understand. They are confused and need guidance.

No, its in the bible. Wtf. I never said he talks to me.

 

[FoxesInWonderland]

Good for you. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want. Glad you can respect others.

Adolf hitler was a "christian". Yet he massacred "God's People".

I can go and kill a hundred people, useing the name "Beautiful People"(your name). Does that make me you? Does that make me a follower of you? NO.

As with every aspects of society where there is power, people can and may abuse it.

Im a Christian, but I can say without a doubt that westboro baptist, is not Mostly christian.

To blame the actions of a few people, on a whole religion(especially when the religion preaches the opposite.)


Consider this scenario when thinking of the crusades. You are a simple farmer in a kingdom. You are taught that if you dont do certain things, that God will send you to hell. As you dont want to go to hell, you listen to the preacher. You cannot read. The preacher teaches and quotes scripture that tells you to go kill enemies in the name of God. If you dont you go to hell. As you cannot read, and as the bible is not mass produced, you must listen. Especially when your king sends you to battle.

There is NEVER, NEVER ,NEVER, a SINGLE INSTANCE where you kill someone "for God, or for Jesus". Jesus preached forgiveness. He preached nobody is perfect. He preached to turn the other cheek if someone slaps you or insults you.(as nobody is perfect, nobody can fulfill everything he taught. But as long as they STRIVE, and try to do so, then they are doing good. So nobodies perfect. But people should still strive to be perfect.

So simply though people who kill in the name of Jesus, are not Christian. People who torture others in the name of Jesus are not Christian. They merely claim to be. I right now can claim to be a feminist. But if i protest feminism am I really a feminist?

The westboro baptist may believe in Jesus. But the fact they preach HATE(the opposite of what is really preached(love)), they are not real christians.

Anyways. You seem like a nice open minded person. You may not have read the bible, but even if you dont believe in God, it is a good book to read, chock full of wisdom. It is not exactly a action book or anything like that. And since it is a older text, the language is not up to date.(and many parts of it cannot be translated properly in todays terms)

Have a great night man!!!

Nice comment bro lol!! Spread the love mane

 

[Konohas Yellow Flash]

My last input, god is not only loving, chistains are blind and only see his loving side, he has a sad side, mad side, etc. He use to hate a man named Esau. Malachi 1:3 . So if he hated a man then, he surely hates some people now, he may even hate you, thats why you have to follow him. He doesnt just love everyone.

 

[Zachfri]

because your belief is wrong. you know it, you know there's no proof to support it, but you just trust god because you don't like the idea of rotting in hell. so you force yourself to be a good christian, to be a good man. so when you die you'll live happily ever after. besides, your family has a religious background to some point. your mother's branch, more specifically.

Most christians these days do not believe this. They believe as long as they confess with their heart Jesus is the Christ they go to heaven, and little things along the way like murder and adultery do not have anything to do with salvation.

 

[Zachfri]

My last input, god is not only loving, chistains are blind and only see his loving side, he has a sad side, mad side, etc. He use to hate a man named Esau. Malachi 1:3 . So if he hated a man then, he surely hates some people now, he may even hate you, thats why you have to follow him. He doesnt just love everyone.

Esau was a man who never called upon God to do anything. He was in a natural atheist like state and That's why he wasn't loved like Jacob.

 

[Rekudakune]

NO. god is evil and lucifer is good. the book was written by the winners and simply god point of view, and lucifer point of view was that we are not responsible to kneel over god because we didnt enter his house, we didnt create ourselves with his tools, he created us, before we could sign our deed to him. and it only makes god guilty as much as a slave owner having his slave give birth to her son so he can be slave to him.
thats why lucifer tried to rebel against god and prove that his view of life was wrong, the universe doesnt revolve around just him it evolved around everyone.
people these days get brainwashed to think that god is their true liberation and freedom, but they only follow the wiles of what he wants their eyes to see. while they will be condemed to worshop and praise him for eternity in his kingdom.
moral you should learn from anything
albert einstein"Never stop questioning"

 

[Tartarus]

Well, you're premise is somewhat skewed since "Lucifer" is a mistranslation of a passage in Isaiah referring to the king of Babylon as "Helel" in Hebrew, which means the shining one or the morning star. It's a title and not a name, as Yeshua is also called the morning star. But to answer your question:
Satan is a figure with a very complex history in the Judeo-Christian lore. First off, Satan is a title that means the Accuser/the Enemy. It's said as ha-Satan(the Satan) in Hebrew, and can be applied to multiple figures. It usually referred to military enemies in the canon OT and only explicitly refers to an angel in the book of Job.
haSatan In First Temple era Judaism/Mainstream Judaism.
-In the book of Job, the Satan figure is an angel subservient to God. His role was to test man's morality via temptation and suffering to prove to God that human's hearts are inclined to evil. He tried to prove that Job was only righteous because he had good fortune, so he killed his family and destroyed his livestock to make Job curse God and sin, but failed. The Satan in Job, was seen as the enemy of man, but not to God. His role in mainstream Judaism is that of an antagonistic prosecutor.

Second Temple era Judaism/Mystic Judaism(Not part of current mainstream Judaism):
This is the era where Satan started to be viewed as purely evil entity, and the idea of fallen angels was introduced. Before the 2nd Temple era, the idea of fallen angels would have been considered blasphemous. In this era, we have multiple figures who figures who were synonymous with Satan in paracanonical literature. Figures such as the Shemyaza(Infamous Rebel), Belial(Wickedness/lawlessness), and Samael are fallen angelic antagonists synonymous with Satan, seen as opposing God's will and punished at the end of time for their sins against God and man. This is the era of Judaism that Christianity emerged and had derived most of its views from.

 

[cptenn94]

Most christians these days do not believe this. They believe as long as they confess with their heart Jesus is the Christ they go to heaven, and little things along the way like murder and adultery do not have anything to do with salvation.

And they are wrong. Just because you believe in Jesus, does not mean you get a "get out of hell free" card, and get to do what you want.

You must truly have guilt over your sin, and want to stop your sin.(and try). Its one thing to try and fail again and again. But to not even try, or acknowledge you are doing wrong, will not "save" you.

Everyone has flaws and problems. Not everyone can come near to the example Jesus set for us to live by. But to just sit back and go "im fine the way I am" and not recognize your flaws and problems, you should not expect to go to heaven.

Heaven is "eternal happiness", and "eternal union with God". Someone who is not trying to better their lives when they do wrong, should not be allowed into paradise.

Its like saying a worker whom doesnt do their job well, and has many rude characteristics, and does not think they do anything wrong should be put on the employees of the month list.

So simply those who do not even try to better themselves despite all their flaws, nor feels any remorse for their sins, do not enter heaven.

A good example is Hitler. He was supposedly a Christian. But his actions reflected his true heart. His true beliefs(aka anti christian).

If you look at all the sinners Jesus hung out around, you will notice 3 things.
1. They follow and believe in Jesus. That He is the son of God, the Messiah.
2. They are sorry for their actions. Most after meeting Jesus, do acts of retribution to those they harmed(ex a unfair tax man gave back the money he stole, and MORE)
3. Jesus did not hang around nor accept those who sinned, but did not feel guilt, or remorse for their actions.

My sect of Christianity believes in a place called purgatory. It is where souls, of people who may have done anything from horrible things, to people who did not that horrible things, go to become pure to enter heaven.

Basically it is where your soul is purified to go to Heaven. From my understanding of purgatory, you only go there if you are already going to go to heaven. You dont go to purgatory to go to hell(from my understanding). Also you would spend more time there, the more unclean your soul is(so clean souls, may nearly skip this step)

But again. There are many false Christians. They go and think that they are saved if they just show up to church every week. The may even preach things that are opposite to what Christianity is about.

I myself, do not consider myself saved. I believe that Jesus died for my sins. I believe in God the FATHER(God behaves and is our father, while we are his unknowing, ununderstanding children(if you read the bible from this perspective "no johnny you need to eat your vegetables. You cannot eat ice cream for dinner" then suddenly many of the "sins" that are mentioned make perfect sense)

I believe in all that stuff though. I just havent taken the step to submit myself to him, and let him guide my life. Its hard to do. You must be willing to give up all that you have to do his will. You must trust that he will provide for your needs. (like a kid trusts his parent, and listens to him)

Again though. Have a great night guys!

 

[Zachfri]

And they are wrong. Just because you believe in Jesus, does not mean you get a "get out of hell free" card, and get to do what you want.

You must truly have guilt over your sin, and want to stop your sin.(and try). Its one thing to try and fail again and again. But to not even try, or acknowledge you are doing wrong, will not "save" you.

Everyone has flaws and problems. Not everyone can come near to the example Jesus set for us to live by. But to just sit back and go "im fine the way I am" and not recognize your flaws and problems, you should not expect to go to heaven.

Heaven is "eternal happiness", and "eternal union with God". Someone who is not trying to better their lives when they do wrong, should not be allowed into paradise.

Its like saying a worker whom doesnt do their job well, and has many rude characteristics, and does not think they do anything wrong should be put on the employees of the month list.

So simply those who do not even try to better themselves despite all their flaws, nor feels any remorse for their sins, do not enter heaven.

A good example is Hitler. He was supposedly a Christian. But his actions reflected his true heart. His true beliefs(aka anti christian).

If you look at all the sinners Jesus hung out around, you will notice 3 things.
1. They follow and believe in Jesus. That He is the son of God, the Messiah.
2. They are sorry for their actions. Most after meeting Jesus, do acts of retribution to those they harmed(ex a unfair tax man gave back the money he stole, and MORE)
3. Jesus did not hang around nor accept those who sinned, but did not feel guilt, or remorse for their actions.

My sect of Christianity believes in a place called purgatory. It is where souls, of people who may have done anything from horrible things, to people who did not that horrible things, go to become pure to enter heaven.

Basically it is where your soul is purified to go to Heaven. From my understanding of purgatory, you only go there if you are already going to go to heaven. You dont go to purgatory to go to hell(from my understanding). Also you would spend more time there, the more unclean your soul is(so clean souls, may nearly skip this step)

But again. There are many false Christians. They go and think that they are saved if they just show up to church every week. The may even preach things that are opposite to what Christianity is about.

I myself, do not consider myself saved. I believe that Jesus died for my sins. I believe in God the FATHER(God behaves and is our father, while we are his unknowing, ununderstanding children(if you read the bible from this perspective "no johnny you need to eat your vegetables. You cannot eat ice cream for dinner" then suddenly many of the "sins" that are mentioned make perfect sense)

I believe in all that stuff though. I just havent taken the step to submit myself to him, and let him guide my life. Its hard to do. You must be willing to give up all that you have to do his will. You must trust that he will provide for your needs. (like a kid trusts his parent, and listens to him)

Again though. Have a great night guys!

So what if I die before I have a chance to repent? Do I go to hell? You really don't have an answer for that do you? Yes christianity teaches christians that we should lead good moral lives. But that is not the standard of salvation. Just as the jew had the ox bull ram or sheep to sacrifice for our sins Jesus christ became the once and for all sacrifice for all our sins past present and future. Salvation is not a concept where one day im saved but because I sinned the next day Im going to hell, but after I repent I go to heaven again. Its not some endless cycle like that. God predestined the saved ahead of time and once you are saved you are saved forever.

 

[BlacLord™]

God created Lucifer as an angel, but he fell from righteousness due to a desire for power and an attempt to dethrone God.

If you're talking Biblical that is.

According to the bible, Satan is our current ruler (for this time) because God let him do it. :|

He was just like "Yeah, KK Lucy, you take over for a few thousand years". :|

 

[LED ZEPPELIN]

Plot twist: God doesn't exist

 

[Tartarus]

According to the bible, Satan is our current ruler (for this time) because God let him do it. :|

He was just like "Yeah, KK Lucy, you take over for a few thousand years". :|

The idea is that Satan has dominion over sinful, and that since the world is violent and sinful, we chose to make him our ruler.

 

[Zachfri]

Plot twist: God doesn't exist

I find it somewhat ironic and funny that an atheist would love a band so much to name himself after it, even though that band has produced songs like "stairway to heaven" when fly in front of all of his beliefs. This is a all too common theme in music, as we here from vampire weekend a song called unbelievers about a couple doomed to a fate of hell which they don't even believe in, or in "This could be anywhere in the world" Where they is a song about a haunted city when its creators obviously don't believe in ghosts or spirits. Kinda hypocritical if you ask me.