[Debate] Are gay people humans

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Quick question? Are you, perhaps, a Christian?
yes and no, I believe in god I just dont believe all those rules and interventions that were written down on 3000 year old stone tablets and then nitpicked until people liked what they said.
 

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fiddtsx said:
I guess I'll solo this thread real quick then.

We live in a realm of duality where everything has it's opposites which is gender but the term gender refers to creation, or generating. Males and Females are meant to be together for the sole purpose of creation or generating a body for a soul to come into the earth with. Really man and woman are the same thing the only difference is in hormones(testosterone, and estrogen) and the main thing that separates us from the animals is our intellect yes?

Of course with intellect humans can fulfill all of their desires and passions because now they have the reasoning skill to do so. Now I'm not saying that being gay is wrong or anything like that, it's just a perversion. When I say that I mean altering something for the sole purpose of sense gratification. We build over nature and alter it all for the purpose of gratifying our senses don't we? It's the same thing, the only reason where meant to have *** is for the sole purpose of creation but of course we perverse everything and now men are at the point where they can't even see a naked woman, a natural thing without wanting to gratify there sense. Gay people just want to accomplish that in another way, otherwise they would just be guy pals.
Bullshit xD

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What happens when someone doesn't believe in the Great Papi? :|

Well if you don't acknowledge GOD as your savior then the consequence is hell
The thing is though, you all constantly say "God gave me free will" so its not like he just throws you in hell. In reality you do it to yourself by denying your right to salvation
 

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I know you like to think it's genetic :3. But eh, I don't know. I'm the first son in my family, only behind an older sister of mine. It's not that I lack testosterone and I'll be honest, I haven't looked too deep into the genetic theories behind homosexuality. Personally I think this is similar to the nature vs. nuture debate, where both a bit of genetics and a bit of my upbringing shaped my sexuality as well as every other aspect of my personality.


Quite the unique origin you have there! So far, there are two leading theories to homosexuality which could quite possibly be coincided (both could happen in different times).

1. Actual Gene: you only have one older sibling, which means you shouldn't be shirking on your testosterone intake. You could possibly have the actual phenotype that expresses homosexuality; the environment only influenced it more.

2. Too many siblings: the more siblings you have, the greater of a chance to have homosexual tendencies. This is mostly due to the lack of testosterone you receive while still in the womb, a significant portion to complex physiology that is hard to explain. According to your sibling background, this would be the least likely.

Males and Females are meant to be together for the sole purpose of creation or generating a body for a soul to come into the earth with.

There is also a major flaw with your reasoning. Homosexuals exist! Considering that there is support that homosexuality is NOT choice-related, your argument sinks faster than a brick in water. There is an Evolutionary argument for homosexuality having Fitness, but you're clearly not thinking this

Now I'm not saying that being gay is wrong or anything like that, it's just a perversion

Just like it's a perversion to perform Heterosexual tendencies.

the main thing that separates us from the animals is our intellect yes?

We observe homosexuality in many more animals than just us, sir. Bonobo apes (VERY genetically-related to us) participate in both homosexuality and orgies, and dolphins perform favors for ***, regardless of gender.
 

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yes and no, I believe in god I just dont believe all those rules and interventions that were written down on 3000 year old stone tablets and then nitpicked until people liked what they said.

So you believe in a God but not in his rules? Why do you believe in a God then?
 

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Quite the unique origin you have there! So far, there are two leading theories to homosexuality which could quite possibly be coincided (both could happen in different times).

1. Actual Gene: you only have one older sibling, which means you shouldn't be shirking on your testosterone intake. You could possibly have the actual phenotype that expresses homosexuality; the environment only influenced it more.

2. Too many siblings: the more siblings you have, the greater of a chance to have homosexual tendencies. This is mostly due to the lack of testosterone you receive while still in the womb, a significant portion to complex physiology that is hard to explain. According to your sibling background, this would be the least likely.

Eh, I don't know what is it that made me gay, but I don't like it .-. I might as well ***** about it here because people don't seem to understand that most gay people don't want to be gay.
Currently, I'm in the closet to just about everyone besides a 2-3 good friends of mine. 1. I'm not flamboyant in the slightest, so others guys hitting on me would be virtually unrealistic because they wouldn't know I'm gay unless I told them :L. That's not really the bad thing about being gay, it's the next part.
Family, oh my god. I started college this semester, so my parents are continuously asking if I met any girls and whatnot, and they always talk about how such a good father I'll be for their kids. They constantly remind me that I'm the last male of my family and if I don't have a child, I won't carry on the name of my family. ****. My parents are super religious and frankly, I'm afraid they'll disown me if I come out to them. I don't know what I'm going to do. My father is homophobic which just makes it worse. He always makes slurs against gays and I just have to sit there in silence while he does it. My parents are the of parents that taught me by example, but on the wrong spectrum. They're close minded, super religious, un-accepting, racist, alcoholics, my mother does drugs, my father is sexist, I'm none of that. I can't come out to them because I'll be a shame to them.
Tell me people who think homosexuality is a choice, why would I choose this? I'm constantly stressing out everyday because I'm not going to live up to my parents expectations, I'll never make them happy because I won't do as they ask.

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[EDIT] TL;DR The cons of being gay outweigh the pros significantly, so why exactly would I choose to be gay?
 
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Well if you don't acknowledge GOD as your savior then the consequence is hell
The thing is though, you all constantly say "God gave me free will" so its not like he just throws you in hell. In reality you do it to yourself by denying your right to salvation

God giving us free will is like God giving us a lollipop but smacking us if we try to lick it. What's the point in giving it us if we get punished for doing things we'd do with it.
 

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So you believe in a God but not in his rules? Why do you believe in a God then?

The idea goes, if I may butt in :p, that Scripture was written by men, and as we all know, men like to insert or change things originally meant to be pure and simple into something that would benefit them or the city in the form of politics. Not all the Bible, per say, but certainly the passages in which rules are involved.
 

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So you believe in a God but not in his rules? Why do you believe in a God then?

Who says those are gods rules? You know how diluted mostly every holy scripture is from the original? It's all for control purposes, hell the bible was written 400 years after jesus had died. People had forget all about him. The scriptures aren't even interpreted right, priests go to school to learn what to teach.
 

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So you believe in a God but not in his rules? Why do you believe in a God then?
Something created us, something that is pure existence with no creator. Doesn't mean he cares for us or even likes us
 

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What the ****? I thought more people understood this concept. No. Stop assuming I can be straight if I wanted to.

Think about this. Can you stop liking girls? Do you have the ability to not sexualize a woman when you see them? You really don't. Then also do the opposite and start sexualizing guys when you see them. It just doesn't happen. Our sexual preferences are second nature, the sexual thoughts we have when we look at someone happen by instinct really to be honest with you.



I mean :|. It's not like that. I know I will never ever be attracted to females, I know I can't stop sexualizing men. It's not like I get angry at myself for sexualizing men because I know that's just apart of who I am. It's just that life would be much easier if I was straight, so I'd much rather be straight. I don't like the fact that I'm gay due to the difficulties that come with it, but I'm not going to live life miserably to try and hide the fact that I'm gay.

I get that a bit, but you said "You dont like being gay" And its not like you couldnt stop if you wanted to. Might take some rehab and a lot of help, but you could change if you wanted to. This is assuming you want to. Ive never heard of a gay person that hates being gay.
 

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Send me to hell for not believing in what I can't perceive... nice. u-u
Well its up to you to study and get more into it in order to perceive >_>
God giving us free will is like God giving us a lollipop but smacking us if we try to lick it. What's the point in giving it us if we get punished for doing things we'd do with it.

Not a very good analogy but OK....
God doesn't smack your hand, if we speak hypothetically,
He let's you lick your lollipop( live your life) but if neglect to give reverence to the one who gave you the lollipop then inevitably I suppose you get brocolli instead
 

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I get that a bit, but you said "You dont like being gay" And its not like you couldnt stop if you wanted to. Might take some rehab and a lot of help, but you could change if you wanted to. This is assuming you want to. Ive never heard of a gay person that hates being gay.

Sexuality will not change. Rehab is bullshit, you can learn to not act on impulses, but the sexualizing will always be there. That's how pedophiles stop raping children if I believe correctly. They'll always sexualize kids, but they've rationalized to keep their thoughts in their head and not take them to reality.
 

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Not a very good analogy but OK....
God doesn't smack your hand, if we speak hypothetically,
He let's you lick your lollipop( live your life) but if neglect to give reverence to the one who gave you the lollipop then inevitably I suppose you get brocolli instead

even though the lollipop wasn't meant as living life...
 
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