Are gates user immune to genjutsu?

[BenjerminGaye]

I can't believe you're seriously trying to pull that off:

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No blood on Jiraiya's hand when he tries to use the kuchiyose, yet a couple of frames above he was gushing blood on the palm of his hand

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No blood on Naruto's thumb, yet a couple of frames before he blood signed the contract scroll, and when he tries to use the kuchiyose the blood is there again.

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Naruto smearing his thumb again to summon Gamabunta, yet then it's clean.

Seriously, I didn't tag you as a troll, so just stop, it ain't funny. Or at the very least explain how illusory pain (cause if she bit her lip inside the genjutsu, the pain wasn't real) was used to break free.

Why are you assuming she would use pain to break her own genjutsu?

im being 100% serious right now. The examples you gave don't hold up because everything you listed happened in the real world. where as there is literally 0 proof that she actually bit her lip.

I mean how the caster can gauge the self inflicted pain from the victim in order to prevent the genjutsu from ending, because so far we have seen Shikamaru's arm being melted off in a genjutsu and a single broken finger was enough to break free and it's not like that cause more pain than his arm being melted, logically and also based on the screams).

Idk the same way the caster gauges how the victim feels when they are stabbed by imaginary swords. or the same way the caster can make it subtle so that that they don't know that there in genjutsu

Problem is, the genjutsu can be subtle , so the user doesn't know he has to inflict himself pain to break himself free or it can be a paralysis genjutsu where the user cannot move, and shikamaru happened to be lucky enough to be able to pull a jutsu without physically moving, or Orochimaru losing his hand to break free from the sharingan genjutsu of Itachi for that matter. That also didn't happen in real life?

@ bold, you see his missing hand after the genjutsu ends. So it happened. that's the proof.



Here: Hashirama uses bringer of darkness genjutsu. and its obvious as fuc, while not causing any pain at all:

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Hiruzen feels the self inflicted pain of REaper death:

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According to you she should be out the genjutsu since pain should trump the illusion. But nope. Hess still in it.
And another thing. You can go reread that whole fcking chapter the blood that came out of his mouth in the scan i posted is still there for the duration of the that chapter. Unlike kurenai's who's disappears the moment the genjutsu ended.

 

[Umari Senju]

Didn’t say that in order to avoid genjutsu (at least sight ) he watches their feet and avoids eye contact?

Wouldn’t that mean he is not immune he simply developed away of fighting to avoid being caught by it?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Didn’t say that in order to avoid genjutsu (at least sight ) he watches their feet and avoids eye contact?

Wouldn’t that mean he is not immune he simply developed away of fighting to avoid being caught by it?

exactly.

 

[MightGai]

Why are you assuming she would use pain to break her own genjutsu?

im being 100% serious right now. The examples you gave don't hold up because everything you listed happened in the real world. where as there is literally 0 proof that she actually bit her lip.

Idk the same way the caster gauges how the victim feels when they are stabbed by imaginary swords. or the same way the caster can make it subtle so that that they don't know that there in genjutsu

@ bold, you see his missing hand after the genjutsu ends. So it happened. that's the proof.



Here: Hashirama uses bringer of darkness genjutsu. and its obvious as fuc, while not causing any pain at all:

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Hiruzen feels the self inflicted pain of REaper death:

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According to you she should be out the genjutsu since pain should trump the illusion. But nope. Hess still in it.
And another thing. You can go reread that whole fcking chapter the blood that came out of his mouth in the scan i posted is still there for the duration of the that chapter. Unlike kurenai's who's disappears the moment the genjutsu ended.

Because that's what happened on manga, and even the sfx is kinda enforcing the point if it wasn't obvious enough. What did she use then to break her genjutsu?

- The examples are meant to show you that they don't care if the blood is drawn in the manga or not, in one panel you have the blood, in the next the blood simply banishes when logically it shouldn't. Same thing with Kurenai, why would they draw the blood in her mouth again if the point of breaking the genjutsu was already made?.

- That's an hypothesis, at best. Manga fact = Tayuya melted shikamaru's arm worth of pain, and a simple broken finger was enough to break free. If the self inflicted pain needs to "win" vs the genjutsu inflicted pain, then that scene makes no sense whatsoever and neither your hypothesis.

- Is it now?

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Where is the blood there? and you can see that's the original Sarutobi from the position of his hands (the clones are running with their hands down, the original is doing the hand sign). Also, while we're discussing that genjutsu from hashirama, it should be mentioned that Orochimaru was under the genjutsu as well (as he noticed that the darkness vanished), it wasn't normal to say the least.

- Again, explain how she ended her genjutsu then and what point biting her lip had.

On the other topic, of Gai developing a fighting style watching the Uchiha's feet and body movements, Gai usually don't fight his battles opening the gates immediately unless it calls for. If he's put under a genjutsu before he can activate the gates, then the gates would be useless. It pays to have a backup.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Because that's what happened on manga, and even the sfx is kinda enforcing the point if it wasn't obvious enough. What did she use then to break her genjutsu?

- The examples are meant to show you that they don't care if the blood is drawn in the manga or not, in one panel you have the blood, in the next the blood simply banishes when logically it shouldn't. Same thing with Kurenai, why would they draw the blood in her mouth again if the point of breaking the genjutsu was already made?.

- That's an hypothesis, at best. Manga fact = Tayuya melted shikamaru's arm worth of pain, and a simple broken finger was enough to break free. If the self inflicted pain needs to "win" vs the genjutsu inflicted pain, then that scene makes no sense whatsoever and neither your hypothesis.

- Is it now?

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Where is the blood there? and you can see that's the original Sarutobi from the position of his hands (the clones are running with their hands down, the original is doing the hand sign). Also, while we're discussing that genjutsu from hashirama, it should be mentioned that Orochimaru was under the genjutsu as well (as he noticed that the darkness vanished), it wasn't normal to say the least.

- Again, explain how she ended her genjutsu then and what point biting her lip had.

On the other topic, of Gai developing a fighting style watching the Uchiha's feet and body movements, Gai usually don't fight his battles opening the gates immediately unless it calls for. If he's put under a genjutsu before he can activate the gates, then the gates would be useless. It pays to have a backup.

why are you showing me pictures of clones to try use that as proof? The clones wouldn't have his bloody mouth. cmon bruh.

 

[MightGai]

why are you showing me pictures of clones to try use that as proof? The clones wouldn't have his bloody mouth. cmon bruh.

That's what I'm telling you, the one that says "all that's left is to capture them" is the original, which a panel above had blood all over his mouth.

 

[Nerosmoke]

No, why would they be immune?

I would not say immune but 8th gate guy sure could dogde Itachi's finger.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

That's what I'm telling you, the one that says "all that's left is to capture them" is the original, which a panel above had blood all over his mouth.

Thats not the original -_- that's the clones they sniff out the hokage all in the same scan. The original goes after oro. does not move at all. where as the scan you posted shows the clones moving and sniffing out the edo. try again

 

[Edogawa]

What fight? he just told Itachi that he requested anbu and that's it. It was barely a talk.

He kicked Kisame and had a minute before they retreated, which is an ample of time to open the Gates and still didn't invalidates your thread.

 

[MightGai]

Thats not the original -_- that's the clones they sniff out the hokage all in the same scan. The original goes after oro. does not move at all. where as the scan you posted shows the clones moving and sniffing out the edo. try again

Hands positions.

He kicked Kisame and had a minute before they retreated, which is an ample of time to open the Gates and still didn't invalidates your thread.

So at best he had a "fight" with Kisame, not Itachi.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Hands positions.

Look at the motion marks my guy.

 

[Edogawa]

Hands positions.



So at best he had a "fight" with Kisame, not Itachi.

Gai and Kakashi think otherwise.

 

[MightGai]

Look at the motion marks my guy.

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Like Asuma here ...

Also, hands position

 

[Reboryushon]

I'm pretty sure. There's no blood on her face, after she bites her lip in the genjutsu. Meaning the bite never happened in the real world. Meaning she didn't cause any real pain.

How can you deny it?

:wut:

 

[TheMask]

I don't think PAin would always be enough. Didn't Itachi made Kakashi experience pain by torturing him for 3 days straight?

 

[MightGai]

I don't think PAin would always be enough. Didn't Itachi made Kakashi experience pain by torturing him for 3 days straight?

that was the pain that was induced by the genjutsu, not real world pain.

 

[Offpanel]

Some people really like to get into their head cannon and ignore real cannon feats when it comes to Guy and Lee for some reason. It's VERY interesting that Metal broke his Genjutsu in the anime after he appeared to use the gates.

 

[kiiro]

Kurenai broke her own genjutsu. You got the whole concept of genjutsu wrong. It's not whether you can inflict massive amounts of pain to your body It's whether are you capable of really inflicting that much pain to your body in a practical situation to successfully break it. It's easy in paper since by your logic any weakling can inflict pain and break free out of any type of genjutsu.
When in genjutsu the user manipulates the chakra in your cranial nerves which means even if you inflict pain on your body you will not be able to feel said pain since your brain controls how you react to that certain sensation. No use in creating pain if you cant feel that pain. The only sure way of breaking extremely weak forms of illusions is with Kai Release and applying more power to disrupt your chakra flow the concept that stamina allows creation of more power was explained in part 1 by Kakashi to make things short; people with more stamina are capable of breaking genjutsu by extracting more power from thier reserves which is why Senju are equal in average to non-sharingan uchiha, Sharingan genjutsu works differently.

Bold, that is so FALSE
From where do you get so much wrong INFO. Please post the scans otherwise stop saying stupid things.

 

[Char Aznable]

Gates causes pain, rips muscles and ligaments and can fracture bones. Genjutsu needs to control the chakra flow in the brain to work. A disruption to the person's chakra or anything that can distract the brain, would help a person escape a genjutsu.

Plus, you open the gates by releasing the limits on your body's chakra paths. Turning a stream into a flood of chakra. I doubt a genjutsu could impair a rush of chakra/energy surging through their victim's body.

 

[kiiro]

Why are you assuming she would use pain to break her own genjutsu?

im being 100% serious right now. The examples you gave don't hold up because everything you listed happened in the real world. where as there is literally 0 proof that she actually bit her lip.

Idk the same way the caster gauges how the victim feels when they are stabbed by imaginary swords. or the same way the caster can make it subtle so that that they don't know that there in genjutsu

@ bold, you see his missing hand after the genjutsu ends. So it happened. that's the proof.



Here: Hashirama uses bringer of darkness genjutsu. and its obvious as fuc, while not causing any pain at all:

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Hiruzen feels the self inflicted pain of REaper death:

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According to you she should be out the genjutsu since pain should trump the illusion. But nope. Hess still in it.
And another thing. You can go reread that whole fcking chapter the blood that came out of his mouth in the scan i posted is still there for the duration of the that chapter. Unlike kurenai's who's disappears the moment the genjutsu ended.

Look since 4:24, maybe in video you can see it. There is things that happen, OFF PANEL.

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