Are atheists allowed to be spiritual?

[Dreckerplayer]

a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/
noun
noun: atheism
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.


Babies are incapable of believing in a god, therefore they have a lack of belief in the existence of gods and are atheists. All it takes to understand this is basic reading comprehension and the ability to think things through instead of impulsively disagreeing with it because you perceive it as undermining your side's viewpoints.

Stop instigating behind Lightbringer.

You using BABIES, who cannot THINK/PERCIEVE reality...is a manipulation of information.Everyone with common sense knows this. That's also called taking advantage of someone. It's ignorance.

You have no better understanding of things.And stop taking credit for pulling up information straight off of the internet...

You're the one that copped out bruh. I defined what atheism was and that definition goes in-line with you said about how babies aren't born with cognitive concepts. They are atheist by definition. You denied that.

If you deny empirical facts because it's convenient for you and because you don't like to be corrected, then there is no point in continuing this discussion. You're only acting like a child by doing so.

Common sense is, those terminologies don't apply to someone who can't think. It'd make it false pretense.

They don't believe in the existence of god, not because they chose to or discovered that there isn't, it's for the simply fact that they can't. And that's my point, here, and it's manipulative to involve them in this debate just to support your argument that has such a shaky foundation.

What you did...was pretty selfish. You and macho, just selfish, and use written information as a manipulative tool, for self-beneficiary purposes. Sums you up.

Just a false pretense.

 

[Lightbringer]

Common sense is, those terminologies don't apply to someone who can't think. It'd make it false pretense.

They don't believe in the existence of god, not because they chose to or discovered that there isn't, it's for the simply fact that they can't. And that's my point, here, and it's manipulative to involve them in this debate just to support your argument that has such a shaky foundation.

What you did...was pretty selfish. You and macho, just selfish, and use written information as a manipulative tool, for self-beneficiary purposes. Sums you up.

Just a false pretense.

Yes they do. How are you not able to grasp what "lack of belief" means?

That's what the word Atheism was created for, as a way to describe anyone who doesn't have a belief, whether they choose to or not, babies and animals included.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Atheism is the belief that there is no God. I am pretty sure babies can't believe?

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Yes they do. How are you not able to grasp what "lack of belief" means?

That's what the word Atheism was created for, as a way to describe anyone who doesn't have a belief, whether they choose to or not, babies and animals included.

Point is, no one cares. And no one's stooping so low as to manipulate a baby or accuse a baby before given a chance to even develop a "mind". It's unnecessary and makes you look conceited. Only a conceited person would accuse a baby of being "atheist" to support his argument...that's taking advantage of someone.Common knowledge is, such terms can't apply to a mindless creature. It's unnecessary and useless.

You're the type to throw people under the bus.Stop manipulating terminologies and definitions.Learn some moral ethics, or something. There's something that's not in your explanations...and it's called common sense. You jump the broom with things, and you SWEAR it makes sense...just because you present it a certain way. You can't even tell the truth, truthfully.Ain't that sad?

And you act as if every site, search engine, or book, share the exact same definition of the same word. Have your own understanding.

And look at these people making indirect responses to my posts.QUOTE ME, rather than instigate.

 

[Lightbringer]

Point is, no one cares. And no one's stooping so low as to manipulate a baby or accuse a baby before given a chance to even develop a "mind". It's unnecessary and makes you look conceited. Only a conceited person would accuse a baby of being "atheist" to support his argument...that's taking advantage of someone.Common knowledge is, such terms can't apply to a mindless creature. It's unnecessary and useless.

You're the type to throw people under the bus.Stop manipulating terminologies and definitions.Learn some moral ethics, or something. There's something that's not in your explanations...and it's called common sense. You jump the broom with things, and you SWEAR it makes sense...just because you present it a certain way. You can't even tell the truth, truthfully.Ain't that sad?

And look at these people making indirect responses to my posts.QUOTE ME, rather than instigate.

You cared enough to have debated me on this. Why is it so hard for to accept that atheism defines anyone without a belief?

You could continue to spout that it's common sense to not define babies as atheist, but that's just you being stubborn. Babies are defined as atheist because they are born with no beliefs. That's what the word means.

That's how language and words work. Words are created to define things. We created the word red in order to define the color red. The color red can't think, but that doesn't mean it's not red. Babies don't have beliefs, and the word atheist is defined as anyone without a belief.

If you have a problem with the English language, then send an angry letter to Oxford or something.

You are wrong. Accept it.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

You cared enough to have debated me on this. Why is it so hard for to accept that atheism defines anyone without a belief?

You could continue to spout that it's common sense to not define babies as atheist, but that's just you being stubborn. Babies are defined as atheist because they are born with no beliefs. That's what the word means.

That's how language and words work. Words are created to define things. We created the word red in order to define the color red. The color red can't think, but that doesn't mean it's not red. Babies don't have beliefs, and the word atheist is defined as anyone without a belief.

If you have a problem with the English language, then send an angry letter to Oxford or something.

You are wrong. Accept it.

I don't think that Dreckerplayer is even capable of admitting that he's wrong.

 

[wanderingcactus]

You don't know what atheism means. Thankfully, Lightbringer saved me the trouble of explaining the concept to you. So no, no one is born an atheist.

dude... just look up the definition.

You can't just inherently believe something you have no concept of yet.
like do you think you know math or can write or speak at child birth?

The concept is simple: BELIEF or lack of in atheism

Why is religion taught if we are born with beliefs already?

 

[Dreckerplayer]

The truth is in the pudding.


Only a CONCEITED person would "stretch" things as far as to say that a newborn/infant is an atheist, when they're basically mindless. That's an unfair judgement, when they weren't even given a chance to even "get there", yet.

That's pure manipulations, and you were caught, now you guys are doing that thing you guys always do, covering each other up.Making each other look good, cause you look really bad, right now.

 

[Lightbringer]

The truth is in the pudding.


Only a CONCEITED person would "stretch" things as far as to say that a newborn/infant is an atheist, when they're basically mindless. That's an unfair judgement, when they weren't even given a chance to even "get there", yet.

That's pure manipulations, and you were caught, now you guys are doing that thing you guys always do, covering each other up.Making each other look good, cause you look really bad, right now.

Only a CONCEITED person would refuse to accept the definition of a word meant to describe something with that very attribute.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Only a CONCEITED person would refuse to accept the definition of a word meant to describe something with that very attribute.

We all know what you do, lightbringer...we know exactly what you do...

 

[Lightbringer]

We all know what you do, lightbringer...we know exactly what you do...

Yeah, I use words how they were meant to be used.

 

[wanderingcactus]

The truth is in the pudding.


Only a CONCEITED person would "stretch" things as far as to say that a newborn/infant is an atheist, when they're basically mindless. That's an unfair judgement, when they weren't even given a chance to even "get there", yet.

That's pure manipulations, and you were caught, now you guys are doing that thing you guys always do, covering each other up.Making each other look good, cause you look really bad, right now.

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babies and other animals do think so they can adapt.

read the article, the child was kept in isolation and her mental age is that of an infant. She was six and a half years old when she was tested.

Do you deny children of six and a half are incapable of thinking?

Misinformation.... sure, using the logic that you cannot properly understand/communicate with someone to draw up a conclusion that that person is incapable of thinking is misinformation.

Your failure to understand is not their fault as they do not have the materials yet, you, however, do. You are capable of teaching them so that they can communicate back to you.

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Koko, a gorilla, is capable of communicating with humans through using ASL (American Sign Language)

An animal is incapable of thinking? A friggin gorilla is smarter than you

 

[wanderingcactus]

deceptively.That's exactly what makes you a manipulator.



Can you please stop responding to my posts or acknowledging my threads.

I've washed my hands of you. You're useless.

You can't argue with me because you can't attack me, you won't address me as addressing me is to admit defeat because you can't argue with me.


You've been quoting me all this time but not directly quoted so you can avoid me. XD

 

[Dreckerplayer]

You can't argue with me because you can't attack me, you won't address me as addressing me is to admit defeat because you can't argue with me.


You've been quoting me all this time but not directly quoted so you can avoid me. XD

You give your own self entirely too much credit. And you use entirely too much reverse psychology, for me to take the time to make sense of most of what you say. You have no intentions of telling the truth, you simply want revenge and validation.

That literally means, you have nothing to offer, as a human being.

You should look into that.

Hands are officially washed. You and whomever else co-signing behind you will be added to the ignore list. Go psychologically abuse someone else.

And yes, I'll ignore 80% of the base if I have to.

 

[Edogawa]

That's ironic since this country revolves around shoving Christianity down everyone's throats. You have a constitutional right to practice any belief. The only people who are denying your right as a Muslim are Christians, specifically those who voted for Trump as they are trying to argue that the U.S. was founded upon Christianity and that Islam is destructive and should be banned. That's not atheists trying to ban your religion.

Atheism isn't a practice like religion. You don't celebrate a day for atheism like Christmas or Hannukah. What people want is secularism, meaning a government that isn't influenced or biased toward any religion. But not being biased, does not equate to banning a religion.

Not a single person is or has had Christianity shoved down his/her throats in the US. There has been so government policy in rewriting the constitution from secular to bible commandments. So where exactly have Christians shoved their beliefs down your throat? Nowhere. Trump has never suggested in his campaign or presidency that he's going oppress atheists or shove Christianity down anyone's throats. What is even your source of info in politics?

Atheism is a religion like any other with exception of denying existence of deity. You've got China and remaining communist countries systemically enforcing atheism in public, educational curriculum etc.

I don't think you know what the constitution talks about or the US history. America IS a secular country and its constitution is secular, hence why you are right now able to express your beliefs on internet or even on street and no one can stop you from that.

 

[Edogawa]

You just credited me for giving an accurate definition of atheism, yet now you just gave an inaccurate definition of atheism in this comment. Atheism isn't denial, it's lack of faith. Lack of faith is not denial. It's just a void.

People aren't born with faith nor are they born with denial of supernatural. They are born as a clean slate. Faith and denial develop as they grow.

Firstly, I only read your comment briefly for the guy who replied. I didn't look at it in detail. And no, atheism is not lack of belief because it is based on faith that there is no deity. It is the opposite belief of theism.

Secondly, faith is not only limited to religion, you can have faith in anything. You could have faith in your girlfriend or your children or in peace. Faith can be about anything, and atheism is faith that there is no God. It's ironic you don't know the definition of what you stand for.

Thirdly, as you have told yourself, faith and denial develop as they grow, so people develop atheism as they grew (like you), meaning you were never born an atheist or religion for that matter.

Babies don't have belief in anything of some sort.

 

[Lightbringer]

Firstly, I only read your comment briefly for the guy who replied. I didn't look at it in detail. And no, atheism is not lack of belief because it is based on faith that there is no deity. It is the opposite belief of theism.

Secondly, faith is not only limited to religion, you can have faith in anything. You could have faith in your girlfriend or your children or in peace. Faith can be about anything, and atheism is faith that there is no God. It's ironic you don't know the definition of what you stand for.

Thirdly, as you have told yourself, faith and denial develop as they grow, so people develop atheism as they grew (like you), meaning you were never born an atheist or religion for that matter.

Babies don't have belief in anything of some sort.

You can't just make up your own definition of a word.

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[Fountain]

I don't think that Dreckerplayer is even capable of admitting that he's wrong.

The irony.

You can't just make up your own definition of a word.

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Are babies capable of disbelief? Lack of belief? I mean i guess to you. You're the same guy who thinks it's ok for little kids to be talking about gun control.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

The irony.

You basically just said “no u”.

 

[Fountain]

You basically just said “no u”.

Again, the irony.