Are atheists allowed to be spiritual?

[Edogawa]

You can't just make up your own definition of a word.

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The definition doesn't contradict what I said.

 

[Lightbringer]

The definition doesn't contradict what I said.

Um, what? Yes, it does. Are we living in the twilight zone here?

And no, atheism is not lack of belief because it is based on faiththat there is no deity. It is the opposite belief of theism.

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The irony.



Are babies capable of disbelief? Lack of belief? I mean i guess to you. You're the same guy who thinks it's ok for little kids to be talking about gun control.

@Bold: Lack of belief=no belief. Babies don't have beliefs. You are a moron.

Go back to school.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

@Bold: Lack of belief=no belief. Babies don't have beliefs. You are a moron.

Go back to school.

he kinda has a point though. if babies can't have belief or disbelief but can be called atheist, can't we call inanimate objects and animals atheist too?

 

[Fountain]

@Bold: Lack of belief=no belief. Babies don't have beliefs. You are a moron.

Go back to school.

The guy saying babies are atheist calling me a moron and telling me to go back to school.

 

[Lightbringer]

he kinda has a point though. if babies can't have belief or disbelief but can be called atheist, can't we call inanimate objects and animals atheist too?

Atheism is defined as not having a belief. Babies don't have beliefs. It's not even something that is controversial. It's self-explanatory.

What do you call something that doesn't have a belief then?

The guy saying babies are atheist calling me a moron and telling me to go back to school.

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[Fountain]

Atheism is defined as not having a belief. Babies don't have beliefs. It's not even something that is controversial. It's self-explanatory.

What do you call something that doesn't have a belief then?

Hey, look, right here it says "lack of belief" so i'm just going to conveniently ignore everything else that atheism is and give it this specific definition to claim that everyone is born atheist.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Atheism is defined as not having a belief. Babies don't have beliefs. It's not even something that is controversial. It's self-explanatory.

What do you call something that doesn't have a belief then?

I agree that babies are atheist but that's still a weird distinction to make if you assume they have no belief in the general sense.

Hey, look, right here it says "lack of belief" so i'm just going to conveniently ignore everything else that atheism is and give it this specific definition to claim that everyone is born atheist.

.. to not be born atheist, you would have to know that there's a God. People don't know of gods by default...

 

[Lightbringer]

I agree that babies are atheist but that's still a weird distinction to make if you assume they have no belief in the general sense.

Among the feasible concepts babies are able to develop, the idea of God or God(s) is not among them.

Hey, look, right here it says "lack of belief" so i'm just going to conveniently ignore everything else that atheism is and give it this specific definition to claim that everyone is born atheist.

You do realize words hold multiple definitions right?

 

[Fountain]

.. to not be born atheist, you would have to know that there's a God. People don't know of gods by default...

He doesn't realize that "lack of belief" doesn't apply to a baby in same manner it does to someone who knows and understand concepts like religion and atheism, spiritualism, gods etc. and is actually capable of adopting them.

 

[Lightbringer]

He doesn't realize that "lack of belief" doesn't apply to a baby in same manner it does to someone who knows and understand concepts like religion and atheism, spiritualism, gods etc.

False. You just made that up because you can't accept that I'm right.

Anything without a belief in a deity is called an atheist. You are born without beliefs, which means you are born atheist. Atheism is just a word that describes something without beliefs. Get that through your head.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

He doesn't realize that "lack of belief" doesn't apply to a baby in same manner it does to someone who knows and understand concepts like religion and atheism, spiritualism, gods etc.

But it does apply in the same manner. No one has to understand the concept of atheism or religion to be atheist. They don't even have to be aware of gods, and that'd put them in the same position as a baby.

 

[Lightbringer]

But it does apply in the same manner. No one has to understand the concept of atheism or religion to be atheist. They don't even have to be aware of gods, and that'd put them in the same position as a baby.

^This guy gets it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

To your question not the thread title(which are kind of conflicting, if you answer yes to the title it's a no to your question and vise versa.) Spirituality by definition, yes. Weddings and funerals, no. Morality belongs to society which has been influenced/ruled by religions for millennia though. How could you be "spiritual" with a disbelief in spirits? It's an oxymoron.

There's no widely agreed upon definition of spirituality. Some people consider it supernatural like spirits, other people consider it having value in things beyond merely the physical being(like enlightenment, relationships with others), some people consider it a connection to the universe, some people consider it philosophy and mental health, and none of those things require a belief in a god.

 

[Fountain]

False. You just made that up because you can't accept that I'm right.

Anything without a belief in a deity is called an atheist. You are born without beliefs, which means you are born atheist. Atheism is just a word that describes something without beliefs. Get that through your head.

You're stupid.

But it does apply in the same manner. No one has to understand the concept of atheism or religion to be atheist. They don't even have to be aware of gods, and that'd put them in the same position as a baby.

It doesn't. A baby/toddler doesn't know anything about religion or gods or atheism or w/e. They don't know anything. They don't "lack" belief as atheism describes it because they don't even know what belief is in the first place, or atheism for that matter, wich also stands for the rejection of belief, and i doubt an infant is capable of rejecting the idea of god. Now, if we're talking about an adult person or a kid or anyone capable of belief who lacks belief, THEN you could say the term applies.

Why do i have to explain all of this?

 

[Lightbringer]

You're stupid.



It doesn't. A baby/toddler doesn't know anything about religion or gods or atheism or w/e. They don't know anything. They don't "lack" belief as atheism describes it because they don't even know what belief is in the first place, or atheism for that matter, wich also stands for the rejection of belief, and i doubt an infant is capable of rejecting the idea of god. Now, if we're talking about an adult person or a kid or anyone capable of belief who lacks belief, THEN you could say the term applies.

Why do i have to explain all of this?

It's amusing watching you struggle to explain why a word and its definition can't be applied to something that falls under that definition.

No where does it say one needs to know what a belief is in order to be an atheist. That's just you being a stubborn idiot.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

It doesn't. A baby/toddler doesn't know anything about religion or gods or atheism or w/e. They don't know anything. They don't "lack" belief as atheism describes it because they don't even know what belief is in the first place, or atheism for that matter, wich also stands for the rejection of belief, and i doubt an infant is capable of rejecting the idea of god. Now, if we're talking about an adult person or a kid or anyone capable of belief who lacks belief, THEN you could say the term applies.

Why do i have to explain all of this?

You're arguing against a definition that fits perfectly.

 

[Fountain]

You're arguing against a definition that fits perfectly.

I literally just explained to you why it doesn't.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

I literally just explained to you why it doesn't.

No, you explained why you don't consider their disbelief to qualify as "genuine" disbelief. Fact is, there's nothing to distinguish the two, because both this true "lack of faith" and fake "lack of faith" are actually one and the same by definition as well.

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The first definition being what you're getting at. "How can they disbelieve/refuse what they don't know?"

 

[Punk Hazard]

I literally just explained to you why it doesn't.

Might wanna take a look at this.

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[Edogawa]

Um, what? Yes, it does. Are we living in the twilight zone here?

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It doesn't actually contradict what I said and it further proves that either you can't read or comprehend or you're too hasty. Maybe all three.

''Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God.'' - Dictionary

''Atheism is not lack of belief because it is based on faith that there is no deity'' - My quote

1). Is atheism a conviction? Yes, because the atheist is the one who is convinced there is deity.

2). Does conviction mean faith? Yes, because it is a synonym for faith/belief.

a firmly held belief or opinion.
"she takes pride in stating her political convictions"
synonyms:
belief, opinion, view, thought, persuasion, idea, position, stance; (article of) faith, credo, creed, tenet, dogma

3). Another dictionary defining atheism:

atheism

[ey-thee-iz-uh m]
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noun
1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2.
disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

4). Are babies atheists? No, because babies have not developed sense of knowledge in order to formulate a belief.

I rest my case.