Appreciation thread for strongest good character not being MC, and never will be

[lndra]

Man that Natsu vs Gray was such BS. No full demon form for either of them. And somehow Erza come out of no where and block their attacks like it was nothing and they stop fighting. Then Lucy somehow able to overwrite the book of END.

Fairy Tail was a joke. I've never seen so many plot induced hack ASSPULL powers and character induced stupidity.

I remember when this shit was getting hype again after they stopped the Dragons, and it was revealed that Natsu was END (+ Gray's father's demon stuff). Mashima did not deliver at ALL.

Plus that whole thing with Irene ... what the heck?

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

...I had to mention Fairy Tail -_-

 

[Belserion]

Man that Natsu vs Gray was such BS. No full demon form for either of them. And somehow Erza come out of no where and block their attacks like it was nothing and they stop fighting. Then Lucy somehow able to overwrite the book of END.

Erza in a total fought 4 spriggans, dozens of subordinates, blocked enhanced attacks from Gray and Natsu, and managed to fight and actually hit acnologia's physical body later on.

Mirajane fought one subordinate and one injured and exhausted spriggan.

Mashima = they're equals :elmo:

 

[-Akuma-]

(OF THE MC’S GENERATION OR NEAR GENERATION)

To me, it's redundant how by the end of shonen manga/anime, the MC is the strongest character.

This thread is to give appreciation for shonen manga/anime that make the strongest good character not the MC.

Gamaran: Gama hadn't surpassed Iori and never will.

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Katekyo Hitman Reborn: Tsuna hadn't surpassed Hibari and never will.

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I think this applies to My Hero Academia, too. Todoroki > MC Midoriya, and it will likely stay that way until the end. Midoriya's not gonna become as strong as prime All Might, but Todoroki will surpass Endeavor.

What about Fairy Tail? I used to be a fan. Has Natsu surpassed Laxus? If not, will he eventually?

You must of read a different Reborn becase Tsuna surpassed Hibari after the first serious arc.

 

[-Akuma-]

(OF THE MC’S GENERATION OR NEAR GENERATION)

To me, it's redundant how by the end of shonen manga/anime, the MC is the strongest character.

This thread is to give appreciation for shonen manga/anime that make the strongest good character not the MC.

Gamaran: Gama hadn't surpassed Iori and never will.

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Katekyo Hitman Reborn: Tsuna hadn't surpassed Hibari and never will.

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I think this applies to My Hero Academia, too. Todoroki > MC Midoriya, and it will likely stay that way until the end. Midoriya's not gonna become as strong as prime All Might, but Todoroki will surpass Endeavor.

What about Fairy Tail? I used to be a fan. Has Natsu surpassed Laxus? If not, will he eventually?

You're also wrong about MHA, they're obviously setting up Deku to be above All Might, they implied that's how the quirk works:

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[Guardian of the Rain]

You must of read a different Reborn becase Tsuna surpassed Hibari after the first serious arc.

ROFLMAO I'd really like to smoke whatever you and Styles are smoking. Hibari mid-diffs Tsuna, both of them in their prime, in their strongest Vongola Gear.

All throughout the manga, Akira Amano made it clear that Hibari is the strongest Guardian. Everyone acknowledges it. The Arcobalenos, Byakuran, the Varia, Genkishi, etc.

I've lost count how many times I read the manga.

You're also wrong about MHA, they're obviously setting up Deku to be above All Might, they implied that's how the quirk works:

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This, I admit I'm likely wrong about. It's just that it's hard to imagine Midoriya becoming stronger than All Might after seeing the All Might vs Noumu fight. That was All Might at a fraction of his power O.O

 

[Styles]

Fairy Tail was a joke. I've never seen so many plot induced hack ASSPULL powers and character induced stupidity.

I remember when this shit was getting hype again after they stopped the Dragons, and it was revealed that Natsu was END (+ Gray's father's demon stuff). Mashima did not deliver at ALL.

Plus that whole thing with Irene ... what the heck?

Ikr and it's mostly from Natsu and Erza ish be crazy how much bs powerups from friendship they get out of no where.

Ikr? Grand magic games was lit and tenrojima was lit then it went downhill.

Mashima don't know how to keep hype alive or to deliver on the hype. Him and Kubo both.

Erza in a total fought 4 spriggans, dozens of subordinates, blocked enhanced attacks from Gray and Natsu, and managed to fight and actually hit acnologia's physical body later on.

Mirajane fought one subordinate and one injured and exhausted spriggan.

Mashima = they're equals :elmo:

That's tbh why i hate Erza as a character. Girl OP for no reason and in a stupid way and somehow can never lose. Mary Sue af.

Mirajane best girl and was suppose to be OP and her equal yet somehow have way less magical power now compared to other's in the guild.

Mashima be like "Erza best girl so ima make her OPest girl"

 

[lndra]

Ikr and it's mostly from Natsu and Erza ish be crazy how much bs powerups from friendship they get out of no where.

Ikr? Grand magic games was lit and tenrojima was lit then it went downhill.

Mashima don't know how to keep hype alive or to deliver on the hype. Him and Kubo both.

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Yeah it's hard to take it seriously. Power of friendship is an old joke in Shounen mangas, but FT maximums on that as a legit power source. That manga was trash. Used to be good to an extent in the earlier arcs but he lost it definitely around the tenrojima arc.

 

[Styles]

Yeah it's hard to take it seriously. Power of friendship is an old joke in Shounen mangas, but FT maximums on that as a legit power source. That manga was trash. Used to be good to an extent in the earlier arcs but he lost it definitely around the tenrojima arc.

That's why Rave was and is still his best work.

 

[-Akuma-]

ROFLMAO I'd really like to smoke whatever you and Styles are smoking. Hibari mid-diffs Tsuna, both of them in their prime, in their strongest Vongola Gear.

All throughout the manga, Akira Amano made it clear that Hibari is the strongest Guardian. Everyone acknowledges it. The Arcobalenos, Byakuran, the Varia, Genkishi, etc.

I've lost count how many times I read the manga.




This, I admit I'm likely wrong about. It's just that it's hard to imagine Midoriya becoming stronger than All Might after seeing the All Might vs Noumu fight. That was All Might at a fraction of his power O.O

Tsuna in his prime one shotted Bermuda and someone weaker than Bermuda was giving Hibari and multiple other people the fade, so you're wrong.

The aruthor didn't make that clear. Mukuro beat Hibari and Tsuna beat him, Tsuna beat Xanxus and nothing implied Hibari was stronger than Xanxus at the time (Dino flat out says that Xanxus is stronger than Hibari in the last arc), Tsuna beat Byakuran and nobody bar Reborn at the time was on his level.......And let's not even talk about Simon and Jager. Hibari at the end of the manga wasn't even stronger than Xanxus let alone the LEADER of his family, Tsuna.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

What are you talking about? Tsuna trashes Hibari.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Tsuna in his prime one shotted Bermuda and someone weaker than Bermuda was giving Hibari and multiple other people the fade, so you're wrong.

The aruthor didn't make that clear. Mukuro beat Hibari and Tsuna beat him, Tsuna beat Xanxus and nothing implied Hibari was stronger than Xanxus at the time (Dino flat out says that Xanxus is stronger than Hibari in the last arc), Tsuna beat Byakuran and nobody bar Reborn at the time was on his level.......And let's not even talk about Simon and Jager. Hibari at the end of the manga wasn't even stronger than Xanxus let alone the LEADER of his family, Tsuna.

It took a lot of trial and error and the combined effort of almost everyone for Bermuda and his gang to be defeated. And even Bermuda admitted that it was really Reborn who he lost to. Tsuna would've gotten negged if it was just him and Bermuda present, without Reborn's counsel.

And at the time of Tsuna vs Xanxus, Hibari and the other Guardians didn't even have Vongola Gear lol but Tsuna had his Dying Will Flames. So that's such unfair logic.

Hibari never truly lost a fight. Adult Hibari stalled against Genkishi for the sake of when he younger self takes his place. And he brought Xanxus to a draw, even though Hibari didn't even use Cambio Forma and Xanxus went completely and utterly all-out because he was furious.

Hibari is like Itachi. We never saw him go 100% because he never had to. As with Tsuna, he put all of his heart, soul, and will (pun intended) into every one of his fights.

Tsuna is never beating a completely serious and bloodlusted Cambio Forma Hibari.

What are you talking about? Tsuna trashes Hibari.

In fanfics, sure.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

KHR is one of my favorite things in life. I know what I'm talking about.

This makes me remember this thread I made FOUR years ago

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And I made a fanfic. Good times...

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[Rikudou Tobi]

It took a lot of trial and error and the combined effort of almost everyone for Bermuda and his gang to be defeated. And even Bermuda admitted that it was really Reborn who he lost to. Tsuna would've gotten negged if it was just him and Bermuda present, without Reborn's counsel.

And at the time of Tsuna vs Xanxus, Hibari and the other Guardians didn't even have Vongola Gear lol but Tsuna had his Dying Will Flames. So that's such unfair logic.

Hibari never truly lost a fight. Adult Hibari stalled against Genkishi for the sake of when he younger self takes his place. And he brought Xanxus to a draw, even though Hibari didn't even use Cambio Forma and Xanxus went completely and utterly all-out because he was furious.

Hibari is like Itachi. We never saw him go 100% because he never had to. As with Tsuna, he put his all of his heart, soul, and will (pun intended) into every one of his fights.

Tsuna is never beating a completely serious and bloodlusted Cambio Forma Hibari.



In fanfics, sure.

I'm not use to see you typing something so dumb, so it got me shook a bit. Hibari couldn't even get passed the likes of Mukuro let alone reach up to Tsuna's level. Even the arcobaleno's know that Xanxus is way stronger than him, and he didn't fight Hibari seriously during the last arc.
Tsuna beat Bermuda and Bermuda would trash the likes of Hibari like he's his play thing. Tsuna smashes Hibari that it's not even funny, Tsuna would have a harder time beating Mukuro or Yamato/Gokudera combo than he would Hibari.

edit: Hibari got dealt with by Genkishi as an adult, he lost that one.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

I'm not use to see you typing something so dumb, so it got me shook a bit. Hibari couldn't even get passed the likes of Mukuro let alone reach up to Tsuna's level. Even the arcobaleno's know that Xanxus is way stronger than him, and he didn't fight Hibari seriously during the last arc.
Tsuna beat Bermuda and Bermuda would trash the likes of Hibari like he's his play thing. Tsuna smashes Hibari that it's not even funny, Tsuna would have a harder time beating Mukuro or Yamato/Gokudera combo than he would Hibari.

Like I said, Hibari NEVER EVER went all-out. Akira Amano had to save all the main villains of the arcs for the MC Tsuna, of course.

And like I told Shade Masa, Tsuna vs Bermuda wasn't a true 1v1 because of Reborn's presence and assistance.

As for Xanxus, I acknowledge that he has was more raw power than Hibari, but Hibari is a WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY better fighter. Xanxus is such a brute. All he really does is get shoot with his guns and goes on a rampage when he's angry. The Arcobalenos never saw Hibari in his Cambio Forma, which he didn't even use against Xanxus.

Tsuna is indeed OP. Second only to Hibari out of the 10th generation Guardians.

TSUNA WON ALMOST ALL OF HIS FIGHTS THANKS TO REBORN'S ASSISTANCE IN THE FORMS OF ENCOURAGEMENT, BELIEF IN HIM, DYING WILL BULLET, AND ADVICE. I DARE YOU TO DENY THIS.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Like I said, Hibari NEVER EVER went all-out. Akira Amano had to save all the main villains of the arcs for the MC Tsuna, of course.

Wrongful speculation, especially when Enma trashed him like last weeks leftovers and he went all out against genkishi who wrecked him in the end. He was taunting him about how lucky we was to fight his younger self because he had the original ring in which none of the adults had.

And like I told Shade Masa, Tsuna vs Bermuda wasn't a true 1v1 because of Reborn's presence and assistance.

Reborn didn't do anything that means nothing.

As for Xanxus, I acknowledge that he has was more raw power than Hibari, but Hibari is a WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY better fighter. Xanxus is such a brute. All he really does is get shoot with his guns and goes on a rampage when he's angry. The Arcobalenos never saw Hibari in his Cambio Forma, which he didn't even use against Xanxus.

This is the most backwards ass logic I've ever read considering that Xanxus has a WWWAAAAYYYYYYY better fighting skills than Hibari does. Considering that he's the leader of the Xanxus is the leader of the highly trained assassin squad of vongola, that should mean something.
And I don't know what you've been reading, but Hibari has been in cambio form before he fought Xanxus. Once Xanxus unleashed his cambio form, he incinerated Hibari's. Reborn literally had to call Dino to stop Hibari from getting his ass kicked by Xanxus. In fact if you go by your logic, Hibari couldn't SURVIVE against Xanxus alone because Dino saved him from getting killed by using "flexible strength."
I know a lot about Hitman Reborn, trust me.

Tsuna is indeed OP. Second only to Hibari out of the 10th generation Guardians.

Tsuna as the leader is stronger than Hibari. Cut the wank shit already.

TSUNA WON ALMOST ALL OF HIS FIGHTS THANKS TO REBORN'S ASSISTANCE IN THE FORMS OF ENCOURAGEMENT, BELIEF IN HIM, DYING WILL BULLET, AND ADVICE

WRONG! OTHERWISE HIBARI WON ALL HIS BATTLES WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF DINO GIVING HIM ADVICE ON HOW TO WIN HIS BATTLE. MORAL SUPPORT DOES NOT EQUAL ENGAGING.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

And Gola Mosca beat Hibari too when it went on a rampage.
People like Xanxus has always been stronger

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Mukuro beat Hibari's ass and he's been trying to get even with him since in which he failed to do.


Vongola strength is:
1. Tsuna (no contest miles ahead of everybody)
2. Mukuro
3. Yamato/Hibari(based on feats)
4. Hibari/Yamato
5. Gokudera
6. Stupid cow
7. Boxing freak

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Wrongful speculation, especially when Enma trashed him like last weeks leftovers and he went all out against genkishi who wrecked him in the end. He was taunting him about how lucky we was to fight his younger self because he had the original ring in which none of the adults had.

Reborn didn't do anything that means nothing.


This is the most backwards ass logic I've ever read considering that Xanxus has a WWWAAAAYYYYYYY better fighting skills than Hibari does. Considering that he's the leader of the Xanxus is the leader of the highly trained assassin squad of vongola, that should mean something.
And I don't know what you've been reading, but Hibari has been in cambio form before he fought Xanxus. Once Xanxus unleashed his cambio form, he incinerated Hibari's. Reborn literally had to call Dino to stop Hibari from getting his ass kicked by Xanxus. In fact if you go by your logic, Hibari couldn't SURVIVE against Xanxus alone because Dino saved him from getting killed by using "flexible strength."
I know a lot about Hitman Reborn, trust me.


Tsuna as the leader is stronger than Hibari. Cut the wank shit already.

WRONG! OTHERWISE HIBARI WON ALL HIS BATTLES WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF DINO GIVING HIM ADVICE ON HOW TO WIN HIS BATTLE. MORAL SUPPORT DOES NOT EQUAL ENGAGING.

Our whole Hibari vs Xanxus debate is stupid anyway because they couldn't fight exactly how they wanted to because they had to protect their watches.

And I can't believe you actually did it...You denied how crucial Reborn has been in almost every single one of Tsuna's fights. That's one of the most important elements of the story. Tsuna and Reborn's bond, how Reborn is truly the one who defeats Tsuna's opponents. Bermuda acknowledged this too. Reborn even shot the Dying Will Bullet in Tsuna that gave him the win over Bermuda.

Dino was nowhere near to Hibari was Reborn was to Tsuna. That's just silly.

Tsuna is the leader and MC, I know, which is the whole point of this thread...To give examples when the MC isn't the strongest good guy out of his peers/generation.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

And Gola Mosca beat Hibari too when it went on a rampage.
People like Xanxus has always been stronger

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Mukuro beat Hibari's ass and he's been trying to get even with him since in which he failed to do.


Vongola strength is:
1. Tsuna (no contest miles ahead of everybody)
2. Mukuro
3. Yamato/Hibari(based on feats)
4. Hibari/Yamato
5. Gokudera
6. Stupid cow
7. Boxing freak

"If Xanxus gets serious" lol as if Hibari ever gets truly serious. Like I said, Hibari vs Xanxus is a stupid debate because they were both restricted. They had to fight while protecting their watches.

1. Reborn-assisted Tsuna
2. Hibari
3. Reborn-less Tsuna
4/5. Mukuro/Yamamoto
6. Gokudera
7. Lambo
8. Ryohei

Excluded Chrome because she didn't get that much action for me to properly judge her power.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Our whole Hibari vs Xanxus debate is stupid anyway because they couldn't fight exactly how they wanted to because they had to protect their watches.

Still. Hibari had to rely on Dino's advice and he still couldn't beat him. That whole time Hibari/Fon vs. Xanxus/Squalo Hibari was in cambio forma while Xanxus was at base. The minute he switch forms all of hibari's attacks were useless.

And I can't believe you actually did it...You denied how crucial Reborn has been in almost every single one of Tsuna's fight. That's one of the most important elements of the story. Tsuna and Reborn's bond, how Reborn is truly the one who defeats Tsuna's opponents. Bermuda acknowledged this too. Reborn even shot the Dying Will Bullet in Tsuna that gave him the win over Bermuda.

I can honestly regurgitate everything said about Dino and Hibari's relationship. And I know that the last form requires help but the hyper state of Tsuna is still miles beyond Hibari. Even Hibari admitted inferiority to Tsuna over here:

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He literally admitted that Tsuna allows him to do whatever he wants but one day he'll be aim to be strong enough to beat Tsuna (bite the sky to death). In which that never happened.

Dino was nowhere near to Hibari was Reborn was to Tsuna. That's just silly.

I can literally pull up all the scans of Reborn begging Dino to train hibari. I already have one of Dino helping Hibari with Xanxus up above now so I wouldn't go there if I were you. I these are one of the mangas I know very well. He trained him for gola mosco in which he was overpowered by once it went berserk. Dino helped him figure out the weakness of the weakest Millefiore in which he got ragdolled as an adult (weaker version). And he got one-shotted by Enma and beat by daemon spade.

Tsuna is the leader and MC, I know, which is the whole point of this thread...To give examples when the MC isn't the strongest good guy out of his peers/generation.

He's the strongest simply because he's the boss. All sky flame holders are stronger by default and like you said he's the main character. So there's no means to argue. The opponents and the grusome training tsuna went through is way out of Hibari's league. All the enemies Tsuna faced and beat were way stronger than Hibari. He lost to Tsuna's opponents too and was outright said to be weaker.
It seems like Hibari is like the "Hashirama" of Hitman reborn series fanbase and Tsuna is the "Naruto."
So I should've seen this coming by a mile away.