[VS] Aokiji vs Big mom

[Punk Hazard]

Lol yea I’m sure you’re right, ppl of doffys tier broke out of aokijis ice with relative ease but BM and Prometheus can’t handle ice. And great logic larger always = more powerful. Best logic on the base right here

1. Doflamingo broke out of Aokiji's Ice Time, but that was nowhere near Aokiji going all out

2. I like how you reply to me criticising me for saying "bigger is more powerful" when people all over the thread are saying Promotheus is too powerful to be affected by Aokiji's ice because of his size. Even though Jinbei directly references a correlation to size and power in this very chapter.

3. Do you comprehend what a weakness or vulnerability is? It means that something that isn't particularly strong can still affect you. Jinbei's issue is that he can't manipulate enough water to make a dent into Promotheus with his current size. Aokiji doesn't have that problem as his area of effect has been shown to not only be several times greater than Jinbei's, but also the size of Promotheus. Meaning that if Promotheus shares the same neutral status to Aokiji's ice that Ace's flames showed, which he should as he's just fire, Aokiji just has to create enough ice or freeze enough water to cover Promotheus' entire body to damage him.

How exactly does ice defeat fire ?

Light a candle and put an ice cube on the flame and let us know what happens

 

[arv993]

1. Doflamingo broke out of Aokiji's Ice Time, but that was nowhere near Aokiji going all out

2. I like how you reply to me criticising me for saying "bigger is more powerful" when people all over the thread are saying Promotheus is too powerful to be affected by Aokiji's ice because of his size. Even though Jinbei directly references a correlation to size and power in this very chapter.

3. Do you comprehend what a weakness or vulnerability is? It means that something that isn't particularly strong can still affect you. Jinbei's issue is that he can't manipulate enough water to make a dent into Promotheus with his current size. Aokiji doesn't have that problem as his area of effect has been shown to not only be several times greater than Jinbei's, but also the size of Promotheus. Meaning that if Promotheus shares the same neutral status to Aokiji's ice that Ace's flames showed, which he should as he's just fire, Aokiji just has to create enough ice or freeze enough water to cover Promotheus' entire body to damage him.



Light a candle and put an ice cube on the flame and let us know what happens

Yea it’s not like doffy went all out to break it he just used his physical strength. Something BM is way ahead of him.


For Prometheus, yes his size means he is getting more powerful. That doesn’t mean we can blindly say any attack bigger than Prometheus is automatically beating him. It’s not a 1 to 1 comparison, jinbeis attacks are quite big but it is useless and seawater has distinct advantage to fire where as ice doesn’t. Also there is Zeus and Napoleon. It’s not a 1v1 just Prometheus and aokiji.

 

[Passerby]

Is it safe to assume that Zues can grow up to the same size as Prometheus? If so can Aokiji freeze a cloud?

 

[Love Cook]

Light a candle and put an ice cube on the flame and let us know what happens

I don't know, you're either smothering the flame and taking away the oxygen with the cube or the ice will melt and the dripping water will put out the flame. In both cases it is not the ice that is killing the flame.

So I don't really see how that would benefit Kuzan when Big Mom is standing on a giant sun.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yea it’s not like doffy went all out to break it he just used his physical strength. Something BM is way ahead of him.

Irrelevant, as the interaction on Doffy's body and Promotheus' form aren't the same when it comes to ice.

For Prometheus, yes his size means he is getting more powerful. That doesn’t mean we can blindly say any attack bigger than Prometheus is automatically beating him.

It's pretty ****ing obvious that Aokiji creating ice around a person is gonna be weaker than him freezing miles of ocean lmfao

seawater has distinct advantage to fire where as ice doesn’t.

We've seen ice cancel out fire. It might not be an advantage, but we've seen it have an effect on flames that would mean Aokiji can damage Promotheus.

Also there is Zeus and Napoleon. It’s not a 1v1 just Prometheus and aokiji.

Also irrelevant.

Is it safe to assume that Zues can grow up to the same size as Prometheus? If so can Aokiji freeze a cloud?

A cloud is a collection of ice crystals and water vapor, so yes. Also, Brook froze Zeus.

 

[Sakazuki]

Saying aokiji wouldn't beat prometheus is just non sense. If you have to rely on prometheus in your debate then you are already loosing the debate and big mom can't win in a real fight if she has to rely on prometheus. Half an island >>>>>>>>>>>>> prometheus size.

11 days >>>>>>>>> 8 hours

 

[arv993]

Irrelevant, as the interaction on Doffy's body and Promotheus' form aren't the same when it comes to ice.


It's pretty ****ing obvious that Aokiji creating ice around a person is gonna be weaker than him freezing miles of ocean lmfao


We've seen ice cancel out fire. It might not be an advantage, but we've seen it have an effect on flames that would mean Aokiji can damage Promotheus.



Also irrelevant.


A cloud is a collection of ice crystals and water vapor, so yes. Also, Brook froze Zeus.

Yes it is. Ice has no distinct advantage so assuming it would damage Prometheus at his current form is stupid when something like seawater which is a distinct disadvantage is absolutely useless.

Yea physical prowess is absolutely important in a matchup since big mom is sitting on Prometheus so aokiji freezing him and her is essentially useless since big mom can break out with ease.

Concentrated attacks aren’t always weaker than large scale attacks, so stop with the nonsense.

So I’m guessing this isn’t a vs thread. Zeus and napoleon are factors and not irrelevant

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yes it is. Ice has no distinct advantage so assuming it would damage Prometheus at his current form is stupid when something like seawater which is a distinct disadvantage is absolutely useless.

The advantage Aokiji's ice has is that it's been shown to be have an interaction with fire that leads to the conclusion that it can hurt Promotheus. Advantage might be the wrong word to have used since it's confused you.

Yea physical prowess is absolutely important in a matchup since big mom is sitting on Prometheus so aokiji freezing him and her is essentially useless since big mom can break out with ease.

Good for BM, still doesn't change that Aokiji's ice can in all likelihood damage Promotheus.

Concentrated attacks aren’t always weaker than large scale attacks, so stop with the nonsense.

And Aokiji using the same technique on a large scale will obviously make it stronger than a small scale.

So I’m guessing this isn’t a vs thread. Zeus and napoleon are factors and not irrelevant

Except this particular conversation is about whether or not Aokiji's powers are capable of harming Promotheus. The presence of Zeus and Napoloean is irrelevant to that conversation.

 

[Kakooli]

Big momma wins!!!!

 

[arv993]

The advantage Aokiji's ice has is that it's been shown to be have an interaction with fire that leads to the conclusion that it can hurt Promotheus. Advantage might be the wrong word to have used since it's confused you.


Good for BM, still doesn't change that Aokiji's ice can in all likelihood damage Promotheus.


And Aokiji using the same technique on a large scale will obviously make it stronger than a small scale.


Except this particular conversation is about whether or not Aokiji's powers are capable of harming Promotheus. The presence of Zeus and Napoloean is irrelevant to that conversation.

So you admit there is no distinct advantage. Add to it Prometheus is right next to BM him getting damaged at his size would be negligible and would more likely melt any attack aokiji throws at him. Again seawater is useles which is something that Prometheus is actually weak to, aokiji ice attacks while larger would be easier to deal with since there is a neutral effect.

Small scale again doesn’t mean weaker, don’t fall for aoe attacks. You’re making a large assumption by assuming attacks that are small are weak.

 

[SixPathsMike101]

I like Aokiji, but I think he's no match for Linlin. I honestly think if it had been Big Mom and her sweet commanders at Marineford instead of WB, they would've probably wiped the floor with everyone there. Cracker can single handedly take out half of the Warlords, and Smoothie-Sama with Oven the other half, while Linlin and Katakuri just curb stomp the Admirals. I honestly think she's the strongest Empror so far, yet to see what Kaido is all about. Her soul ability is not hax but it's pretty broken, and her Haki is insane.
Oh, and I'm in love with Smoothie-Sama. I really hope she joins the crew.

Katakuri would lose to a combination of Kisangani and Kizaru or in my opinion Even one of them then Akainuband Garo and Sengoku would hold big mom off until the other two admirals could join up

 

[Lord Tywin]

So you admit there is no distinct advantage. Add to it Prometheus is right next to BM him getting damaged at his size would be negligible and would more likely melt any attack aokiji throws at him. Again seawater is useles which is something that Prometheus is actually weak to, aokiji ice attacks while larger would be easier to deal with since there is a neutral effect.

Small scale again doesn’t mean weaker, don’t fall for aoe attacks. You’re making a large assumption by assuming attacks that are small are weak.

You’re literally saying don’t fall for aoe attacks then go on and say that Prometheus’ size would make aokiji’s attacks redundant and would melt his ice. Both are wrong. First, Aokiji is shown to be an island buster via his battle with Akainu. The amount of ice he can create is far larger than what prometheus has shown to grew into. Second of all, size doesn’t matter. It’s the strength of the attack that matters. Aokiji has shown to be very close to Akainu, whose feats are far above that of Prometheus. Prometheus is nowhere near Island level with his attacks, so Aokiji would run through him with ease

 

[chopstickchakra]

You’re literally saying don’t fall for aoe attacks then go on and say that Prometheus’ size would make aokiji’s attacks redundant and would melt his ice. Both are wrong. First, Aokiji is shown to be an island buster via his battle with Akainu. The amount of ice he can create is far larger than what prometheus has shown to grew into. Second of all, size doesn’t matter. It’s the strength of the attack that matters. Aokiji has shown to be very close to Akainu, whose feats are far above that of Prometheus. Prometheus is nowhere near Island level with his attacks, so Aokiji would run through him with ease

You act like that half an island result was the result of a single attack, the was the effect of ten days of his powers so how is that a relevant comparison?

 

[Sakazuki]

You act like that half an island result was the result of a single attack, the was the effect of ten days of his powers so how is that a relevant comparison?

It took big mom 8 hours to get prometheus to where he is so.

I'm sure aokiji could make a ball 20x that size by now

 

[Sakazuki]

You’re literally saying don’t fall for aoe attacks then go on and say that Prometheus’ size would make aokiji’s attacks redundant and would melt his ice. Both are wrong. First, Aokiji is shown to be an island buster via his battle with Akainu. The amount of ice he can create is far larger than what prometheus has shown to grew into. Second of all, size doesn’t matter. It’s the strength of the attack that matters. Aokiji has shown to be very close to Akainu, whose feats are far above that of Prometheus. Prometheus is nowhere near Island level with his attacks, so Aokiji would run through him with ease

Very true. People act like because fire not being able to be frozen gives them an advantage over lava vs aokiji which is bullshit. Lava being hotter than fire in this Manga, would mean aokiji ice would SMOTHER the fire quicker than it could freeze or stall the lava.

If aokiji can keep up with akainu, he negs prometheus

 

[Uverdore9]

Very true. People act like because fire not being able to be frozen gives them an advantage over lava vs aokiji which is bullshit. Lava being hotter than fire in this Manga, would mean aokiji ice would SMOTHER the fire quicker than it could freeze or stall the lava.

If aokiji can keep up with akainu, he negs prometheus

Fire is weaker than lava in real life.

 

[chopstickchakra]

It took big mom 8 hours to get prometheus to where he is so.

I'm sure aokiji could make a ball 20x that size by now

It took BM 8 hours to get to a state where she made Prometheus that big, that's not proof that it takes 8 hours for Prometheus to grow that large or that it would take her 8 hours to make that decision against any other opponents though.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You act like that half an island result was the result of a single attack, the was the effect of ten days of his powers so how is that a relevant comparison?

We've seen Aokiji cover wayyy more than half an island's worth of area with one attack more than once lmfao

It took ten days to permanently change Punk Hazard's weather; Aokiji is definitely capable of freezing half the island in less.

Very true. People act like because fire not being able to be frozen gives them an advantage over lava vs aokiji which is bullshit. Lava being hotter than fire in this Manga, would mean aokiji ice would SMOTHER the fire quicker than it could freeze or stall the lava.

If aokiji can keep up with akainu, he negs prometheus

Akainu never said his magma was hotter than fire.

 

[Lord Tywin]

You act like that half an island result was the result of a single attack, the was the effect of ten days of his powers so how is that a relevant comparison?

Which I said nowhere in my post. Aokiji already froze the sea between two islands effortlessly and changed half of punk hazard

 

[chopstickchakra]

We've seen Aokiji cover wayyy more than half an island's worth of area with one attack more than once lmfao

It took ten days to permanently change Punk Hazard's weather; Aokiji is definitely capable of freezing half the island in less.

First of all you say "half an island size" as if all islands are the same size or all "half island" attacks are equal. Was Banaro Island as big as MF island? Speaking of Ace let's not forget his fire was hot enough to combat Aokiji's ice, do you think his fire is hotter then the fire created from the soul of a Yonkou?

Yeah he's capable of freezing half the island in less than ten days that wasn't the question. Can he freeze half an island in an instant, and can he do it strong enough to stop a Yonkou? You haven't proven either.

Also what other half-island sized attacks has Aokiji done besides at MF and the wave? And his biggest(one of) attacks involved water which is a natural boost for an ice power, If there's not the water to freeze and amplify his area of effect then what's the biggest ice we've seen him make? Yes he can make large amounts with water around but BM can make Prometheus that big whenever. . What are these "wayyyy" more times you mention? Even at PH, which was one of his bigger on screen moves it wasn't half the island. Not to say they didn't happen but the only half-island sized moments I remember from Aokiji have been MF and his battle with Akainu.