[VS] Aokiji vs Big mom

[Sakazuki]

Title, who wins? Bloodlusted, at punk hazard before the akainu vs aokiji

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I want Kuzan to win but Big mam takes this. Even during her weakness, she’s still dangerous asf. She’s walked through everything.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'ma have to go with Kuzan. It's been noted as a rule thumb a couple of times in the series that internal factors are still vulnerable no matter how strong you are, including with Big Mom herself. Given that one of these times involved Zoro commenting on the cold and the fact that Aokiji's ice is capable of extending down to the bone/heart, it's pretty reasonable to say that a prolonged fight could allow Aokiji to do some lasting damage to Big Mom even with her powerful outer durability. Even scaling to the likes of Akainu and the fact that Aokiji was able to produce grander feats than BM shows me he should win.

 

[-Akuma-]

Kuzan. If what Ray said about haki is true him and Akainu got a decent boost from their fight.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Kuzan’s above her. High diff

 

[Sakazuki]

I'd say kuzan simply because, even if we haven't seen one physical attack hurt big mom (jimbeis just pushed her back) elemental attacks certainly due and it looks like her durability doesn't apply to elements. (Zeus has fuqed her up) so assuming aokijis ice (an element) will affect her, I think he'd win.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I'd say kuzan simply because, even if we haven't seen one physical attack hurt big mom (jimbeis just pushed her back) elemental attacks certainly due and it looks like her durability doesn't apply to elements. (Zeus has fuqed her up) so assuming aokijis ice (an element) will affect her, I think he'd win.

She's walked through Zeus' electricity twice, and you need to know that she has Prometheus to melt Kuzan's ice. So how is she going to freeze with him around?

 

[Sakazuki]

She's walked through Zeus' electricity twice, and you need to know that she has Prometheus to melt Kuzan's ice. So how is she going to freeze with him around?

I was just assuming anyways, and this is an assumption as well, but he'd have to be able to reach temperatures cold enough to freeze fire I guess lol.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I was just assuming anyways, and this is an assumption as well, but he'd have to be able to reach temperatures cold enough to freeze fire I guess lol.

My bad, didn't know you were assuming.
Kuzan wasn't able to freeze Ace, but it's easier to freeze lava because lava is consist of rocks. He can't freeze fire.

 

[Wrappering_]

I like Aokiji, but I think he's no match for Linlin. I honestly think if it had been Big Mom and her sweet commanders at Marineford instead of WB, they would've probably wiped the floor with everyone there. Cracker can single handedly take out half of the Warlords, and Smoothie-Sama with Oven the other half, while Linlin and Katakuri just curb stomp the Admirals. I honestly think she's the strongest Empror so far, yet to see what Kaido is all about. Her soul ability is not hax but it's pretty broken, and her Haki is insane.
Oh, and I'm in love with Smoothie-Sama. I really hope she joins the crew.

 

[Yeah right]

Smoothie join the crew? Well that is the second most unlikely event that will ever happen.

I thought it took the entire marines just to face 1 yonko. How can 1 admiral equal a yonko.

I smell sexism. Big Mom wins.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Linlin high diff.

 

[Sakazuki]

I like Aokiji, but I think he's no match for Linlin. I honestly think if it had been Big Mom and her sweet commanders at Marineford instead of WB, they would've probably wiped the floor with everyone there. Cracker can single handedly take out half of the Warlords, and Smoothie-Sama with Oven the other half, while Linlin and Katakuri just curb stomp the Admirals. I honestly think she's the strongest Empror so far, yet to see what Kaido is all about. Her soul ability is not hax but it's pretty broken, and her Haki is insane.
Oh, and I'm in love with Smoothie-Sama. I really hope she joins the crew.

Doffy and Kuma would've handled cracker and oven. Mihawk would've handle katakuri, (did you forget about him?) Kizaru would've tore smoothie a new one, and akainu would've dogged big mom. Add kuzan to akainu and it's a for sure win. No one in OP could ever win against two admirals by theirselves. add the rest of the warlords, plus sengoku and garp. The vice admirals, it's a wrap man lol

 

[Sakazuki]

My bad, didn't know you were assuming.
Kuzan wasn't able to freeze Ace, but it's easier to freeze lava because lava is consist of rocks. He can't freeze fire.

Hitsugaya new bankai vs prometheus ?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Look what it took to take out a dying WB, multiple attacks, distractions and lucky breaks. 1 v 1 I think a Yonkou is more likely to beat an Admiral then vise versa

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I like Aokiji, but I think he's no match for Linlin. I honestly think if it had been Big Mom and her sweet commanders at Marineford instead of WB, they would've probably wiped the floor with everyone there. Cracker can single handedly take out half of the Warlords, and Smoothie-Sama with Oven the other half, while Linlin and Katakuri just curb stomp the Admirals. I honestly think she's the strongest Empror so far, yet to see what Kaido is all about. Her soul ability is not hax but it's pretty broken, and her Haki is insane.
Oh, and I'm in love with Smoothie-Sama. I really hope she joins the crew.

Lol either doffy or kuma cluls give cracker (or even dog tooth) a run for his money.
Smoothie can be combated by Boa or kuma/doffy
Dog tooth would be wrecked by Mohawk

Then you have the 3 admirals against big mom who gets wrecked after being tripple teamed

I haven't even brought upkong garp or sengoku yet

People fail to realize that the marine force by itself is a little higher then yonko force (they have same structure fleet admiral (yonko) admiral (stronger then commanders but almost in same ball park) vice and rear admrials etc)
With the warlord system they make sure they have a fore sure win

The warlord system itself is like a yonko crew
Mihawk as yonko
Doffy as first mate
Kuma Boa potentially jinbe as commanders

Then the rest plus all the influence each other warlord has

 

[Punk Hazard]

Look what it took to take out a dying WB, multiple attacks, distractions and lucky breaks. 1 v 1 I think a Yonkou is more likely to beat an Admiral then vise versa

None of the Admirals went all out on Whitebeard though. Akainu and Aokiji both reduced themselves to small-scale attacks when they fought him due to engaging him on the platform. Kizaru also didn't use any large scale shit on Whitebeard, instead opting to shoot single beams. And that was when Whitebeard was trying to jump HIM, not the other way around. Speaking of which, Whitebeard only got to hurt Akainu because of a sneak attack.

It took forever and tons of attacks to down WB because no Admiral gave 100% of their focus to WB and kept moving around the war to do their jobs. Things like the cannon fire and the bullet and sword wounds from fodder could easily be replicated by the fact that Admirals are vastly stronger than these things. So while it took hundreds of stabs from no-names to take down WB, attacks from Admirals are way stronger than those fodder attacks. If they focused on WB for actual all out fights, it would take a lot less time and damage to take him out, unless the fight goes for days.

 

[chopstickchakra]

None of the Admirals went all out on Whitebeard though. Akainu and Aokiji both reduced themselves to small-scale attacks when they fought him due to engaging him on the platform. Kizaru also didn't use any large scale shit on Whitebeard, instead opting to shoot single beams. And that was when Whitebeard was trying to jump HIM, not the other way around. Speaking of which, Whitebeard only got to hurt Akainu because of a sneak attack.

It took forever and tons of attacks to down WB because no Admiral gave 100% of their focus to WB and kept moving around the war to do their jobs. Things like the cannon fire and the bullet and sword wounds from fodder could easily be replicated by the fact that Admirals are vastly stronger than these things. So while it took hundreds of stabs from no-names to take down WB, attacks from Admirals are way stronger than those fodder attacks. If they focused on WB for actual all out fights, it would take a lot less time and damage to take him out, unless the fight goes for days.

I wasn't just referring to the multiple attacks from the cannons and swords but multiple attacks from the admirals including a heart and face shot. They may not have been able to devote 100% of their attention to him the entire length but that doesn't indicate they didn't give their all when they hit him like when Akainu went for his head. And the main reason for all of that was still the heart attacks, without them MF would have lasted a lot longer and Admirals would have taken more damage.

If it took all that to take a falling yonkou out why wouldn't you need more to take out a healthier yonkou? Based on the one case we have of Admirals vs Yonkou none of them made any move that suggested they'd have taken him out 1v1 without the heart attacks. After Akainu(arguably the strongest of the 3) hit him in the heart and took half his face he showed no real signs of slowing down besides his already ailing health.

 

[TheLegend0713]

My bad, didn't know you were assuming.
Kuzan wasn't able to freeze Ace, but it's easier to freeze lava because lava is consist of rocks. He can't freeze fire.

Yeah. Magma is rock subjected to heat, and thus is matter. Fire isn't matter, it's a chemical reaction. Here's my two cents worth: What actually IS Prometheus? Is he physically an actual star, or is he just fire animated by the Soru Soru, and as follow-up questions, what's his natural temperature, and how hot can actually he get?

If Prometheus is an actual star, Kuzan's F***ED.

Our sun has an an average surface temp of 5800 degrees Kelvin. That's a little under 10000 Fahrenheit. Magma's between 1300 and 2400 degrees. That means Kuzan can survive and even combat over 2000 F. But if he wants to definitively take out Big Mom's best weapon against him, he'd need to freeze the core.

That's not gonna happen. The core of our sun hits 27 MILLION Fahrenheit. Unless he can somehow break physics and operate at to absolute zero, he realistically can't win, assuming Big Mom has an actual star under her command.

If she doesn't, then I'd call it a toss-up.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Whitebeard was weaker than all the admirals during the war and possibly mihawk. He was getting done in by Akainu when Akainu was focusing on him and only managed to injure Akainu with a sneak attack. Kizaru avoided his sneak attack and damaged Whitebeard. Aokiji was doing fine till jozu interrupted. And whitebeard still has better feats compared to big mom. Admirals would kill big mom individually