so i made a little thread on MMO-champion... and shit just got real!
the thread is about WoW not being what it used to be, that the game is mostly just a lobby to queue for whatever you want, the RPG is now long lost, people don't want to play together and such...
epics are now common, easy to obtain heck even EVERYONE has their Legendary items...
you can't have friends or you don't even know any alliance guild names anymore, you have no rivals or enemies...
more and more players quit the game and i feel that blizzard will make the game suck big time... i find it inevitable.
are you willing to help us (who know how WoW WAS... and want to get back the RPG, FACTION rivalry, making professions profitable, outdoor PvP and better rivalry between the horde and the alliance? among many other things)
then please participate in our debate here;
the point of this World of Warcraft thread is to make Blizzard open their eyes and see... the there is a few things that MUST BE BROUGHT BACK before they have completely dug their own grave!
please help us, we need World of Warcraft to fix what they have damaged!!
*** the original post ***
Hello Guys, so yeah... i'm an old-school player.
i've been playing World of Warcraft since launch, and i must say... the game is pretty much getting ruined for me... what about you? don't you think so?
probably not, because you don't know better since most of you weren't there when it all began, when the game was epic.
here, i'll mention a few things that has changed during the years... which has also made me think that the game is currently digging it's own grave.
1. The game is a MMO... they've removed the RPG entirely IMO.
so it's no longer a MMOrpg imo.
i could login right now with my newly dinged 90 shaman... and get full "best" pvp gear in 1 day...
(yeah i'm serious... since i have a cap for about 18000k conquest points)
*** EDIT ***
like seriously... i leveled 1-60 in months... i had more than 200 days played on my warrior, i player SO DAMN MUCH and every time there was something special, a raid.... farming a certain rep (which took time btw) nowday it seems you become best friends with an entire faction in 1 day... what did u do? save them from the wrath of some crazy monster or what? why would you become EXALTED with a FACTION in 1 day? seriously.... that's just ridiculous...
i didn't get into raiding until pretty late... with my priest that is... but i always dreamed about getting Tier 1 with my warrior because i LOOOVED the Might set! but i never really got it... cuz my realm was over-populated with warriors... so i rerolled a priest to do PvE and kept doing PvP with the warrior!
i remember fighting about the box in Gurubashi Arena...
i remember when making a TWINK was actually fun because you'd be overpower and troll people in BG...
nowday if u queue BG with a twink you get opponents that are also twinks... why would you even want to make a twink then? XD
i remember how everyone was farming in Tyr's Hand... or Heartglen to kill elites that was actually SO HARD that most of the people could only do 1 and then they needed to eat food or use first aid XD
elites nowday? well... if you don't kill it in 2 hits then you must've had ressurection sickness
i even solo RARE ELITES such as Warbringers, etc within 1 bladestorm
where is the fun? seriously... and YES there is transmogg... but i remember walking around the city being like OMFG SOMEONE WITH RAGNAROS HAND JUST PASSED ME BY, WHEN DID SOMEONE ON THIS SERVER GET THAT? /w hey congratulations to the legendary <3
OMG WHAT SHOULDERS IS THAT? NEVER SEEN IT omg it's from AQ?... RESPECT TO YOU <3
i mean... transmogg is fun... and i bet a lot of people love it... but i think it ruined the game a little too... i mean... i want to be able to walk in the city, knowing what gear people have... without having to inspect everybody =p
i just with there was 100% legit Original vanilla realms... Bug-free but starting from patch 1.x.x and making us have to progress in order for them to release new content etc
i don't like the --> straight to last raid
i want us to go through ZG -> MC -> BWL -> AQ -> NAXX
nowday you hit lvl 90, go to an isle to aquire good gear enough for LFR(looking for raid) and just queue up and you're already doing the newest content :/... you should have to start from the beginning.... normal dungeon -> Heroic dungeon -> first raid, second raid, third raid and THEN Siege of Orgrimmar
nowday u can just skip everything and go straight to the end... where's the fun in that?
though i DO understand if you don't want to backtrack old content nowdays... cuz let's face it... you'd be doing Siege of Orgrimmar 4 times a week... (lfr, flex, normal, hc) which is pretty booring, isn't it?
but it's a whole other thing if we're talking about 3-4 unique raids every week... right?[/QUOTE]
and what the hell is this!?!?! YOU AINT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO SOLO A RAID BOSS AT YOUR CURRENT EXPANSION.... WTF?!?!?
[video=youtube_share;MB7Q6aTrbHc]http://youtu.be/MB7Q6aTrbHc[/video]
and wtf about this "oh you've never been to this dungeon? well then you can't join.... link achievement or you will never be able to tag along..."
*** what happaned to attunaments? i actually liked attunaments!! ***
"Hey guys we have outdoor pvp.... but if you try to attack someone they can sap/stun/cc you and fly away"
"but oh wait... no one is ever outside of the city anyway!"
"you want epics? sure just /claim epics... they're free, go ahead take them!"
ep·ic [ep-ik]: heroic; majestic; impressively great: the epic events of the war."
does it look like Epic is still... epic to you?
"you want mounts? sure go to this place and farm for 1 day and you'll be exalted!"
"a day is too much? oh sorry, get this tabard, only 45 silver and you can get it in half a day instead!"
"the game is not unbalanced... that is why frost mages have never been nerfed but everyone else has."
"oh you're queueing as a dps? just hold on a minute... or 15... no wait u must wait 30 minutes sorry!"
*** please allow more classes to be able to tank ***
"oh your friend died... don't worry you can resurrect him in combat... oh no you died... don't worry he can combat ress you as well... unless you're in heroic."
"damn a sword dropped and i really want it... i didn't get it... whatever i'll get the mace, the axe or the 1h weapons from all the other bosses with almost the exact same stats... cuz i'll transmog anyway."
"you wanna work hard to achieve? ... ... wait... ... sorry then this is not the game for you, we've optimized this game for 12 years and under... so that they can progress every day... and get free epics"
i still remember when i played in vanilla... i played my warrior for over 1 year and i had like 2 epics at first... the unstoppable force and the immovable object. AND THOSE WERE PVP REWARDS WTF
***You had to be exalted with Alterac Valley***
then i hit ranked up in PvP which took me a couple of months... i eventually got the shoulders from being exalted with Arathi Basin which was nice... and rest of my gear was rank 1-9 blues... until i had played for another few months and actually ranked up to rank 11 i believe it was? to get boots and gloves? i almost felt mighty... as if i had accomplished some greatness in the game... people were happy about me ranking up... i was starting to get a littlebit famous... if it wasn't for that guy Ztar from a particular guild who climbed in ranks like ridiculously fast because he actually achieved a LEGENDARY WEAPON (Ragnaros Hand) and he was the only one on the server, so he started smashing the pvp big-time.... well, i can't say he didn't deserve it... he totally did... he was a true legend on the Darksorrow Realm... but he was no match for the Alliance Human Female Warrior... Anise... She was rank 14, a real grand marshal... every horde feared her... even in the local defence chat "/3" people would say RUN!!! ANISE IS COMING TO TYRS HAND and seriously we all abandoned the place because we knew we'd get humiliated by her skills...
however, moving on;
i remember when it was actually HARD to get items... i remember when i was HAPPY when i got a new item?
nowdays you can defeat the game in less than 2 months... do all dungeons get all the best gear with extra rolls... cuz rolling once per boss each week wasn't enough... like WTF?!?!?!?! GAME IT'S TOO EASY... AND I DON'T LIKE EASY GAMES i miss the old times... where you had to run to your place with 60% mount cuz there was no way in hell you could farm 800g for 100% mount... and the only way to get a faster mount was to get that friggin carrot on a damn stick... xD
"LET'S DO AV... AND SUMMON BOSS!" - 2008 player be like: boss? what boss? is there a boss in AV? u mean Vandaar or something? balinda? can't summon, they're already there!
"I remember when i could play AV for 10 hours, go to bed and come back... and enter THE SAME DAMN AV!" 2008 players be like - wat? how? everyone protected base or what? omg noobs! i usually win/loose av in 15 min
*** FIX THIS OMG I MISS IT... ***
"i remember in vanilla... you could not waste your hearthstone if you knew you had to go back to Orgrimmar TWICE... cuz there was a 60 min cooldown... so you'd use the flight path!"
"i remember in Vanilla... you could go just select any of those; Silithus, Eastern Plague, Winterspring, Burning Steppes, Blackrock Mountain... if you wanted some PvP... cuz people were actually doing quests... and couldn't escape with flying mount... and if you wanted to be really evil, you could also go to Stv/Stonetalon/Feralas and kill low levels, even Ashenvale you'd see allys 24/7...
the best part? the most evil part? let's take it from the beginning...
in vanilla... at level 20 you could do Wailing Caverns or the old version of Deadmines...
if you were horde, you'd stand in Crossroads and /1 LF3M HEALER TANK AND DPS FOR WC!!! /w me
if you were a ally, you'd stand in Westfall and do the same... AFTER YOU HAD FOUND 5 MEMBERS FOR A TEAM... it was finally time to summon them with the MEETING STONE... and ATLEAST 2 players had to go there to summon...
if you wanted to be evil... you could just go to WC or DM summoner stones and await a 5 man party... go in there and slay them... you wouldn't even one shot them... there was no such thing as one shotting people back then. maybe a lvl 1-20 ok... but not above that. you'd crit MAXIMUM of 2k. but that was with special abilities and trinkets and shit. anyways... fun way to gank people... if you were really evil that is. *** i'm not evil, promise! ***
wanna hear more? oh yeah... i remember in vanilla... if someone had half gear with epics he was cool... if someone had epic mount he was cool... if someone had found the ZULIAN TIGER HE WAS SUPER COOL...
but if someone Obtained the Amani War bear, "k bro who cares"
if someone gets full epic in a week "k bro who cares"
nothing is special nowadays and Blizzard made sure that everything was easy to obtain. even Raven Lord was once very very very rare, and could only be obtained if you were a Druid
*** well, you could give it away to team members ***
another one; engineering was fun, you could make bombs and use them...
first aid was necessary for most people cuz it actually healed you about 50% your hp.
HEALING POTS, don't forget that... it was also like 50% your hp...
hunters had to buy arrows and could use melee in close combat... now they just scatter > trap you to get away and where's the fun in that? i miss razor blade and wingclip wtf
P.S. if you were good in vanilla... you were famous. not cuz you streamed, not cuz you were some other internet celebrity. but for the fact that there was no such thing as cross realm PVP or PVE.
people would be like "omg Anise on alliance side is rank 14. ****ing GRAND MARSHAL. RESPECT. DON'T MESS WITH HER."
now when i find friends which is very rare, they're on another realm and 1 week later they're forgotten.
i remember when i could walk past orgrimmar auction house and see 20 players that was my friends...
now it's more like: Ankrut? he must be new... Blrgu... he must also be new... who is this and who is that?
no respect, no nothing. :3 i'm very sad because World of Warcraft used to be such a nice place and i had tons of friends
* i could keep on writing here for hours about things that is ruined, but unfortunately i don't have more time.
please comment what you think about this...
1. Should it really be this easy to farm gear?
2. Wouldn't you like Attunaments instead of achievement linking?
3. Would you mind, if epics were only obtainable from raids, with a lower chance? say 2 items per boss drops, instead of like 6-8 or whatever it is?
4. How can you be happy about getting a item, if you know that within the next 24 hours you might replace it?
5. Why would there be so many zones with so many quests... if you don't even have time to do more than 5 quests each zone because you level up too fast?
6. i watched a Youtube Video of a blue geared level 90 going to Draenor for the first time... and 2 hitted mobs... and got BLUE GEAR FROM QUESTS!?!?!? will Draenor really be that easy!?!? is there no challenge in questing?!?!
please tell me what you think, and please criticize and change my mind, i really want to be interested in playing Warlords of Draenor... but i'm having a hard time right now...
and i do not blame Blizzard for any of this, they've just been listening to their "fans"
i love blizzard and i always will... i hope that some day there will be Vanilla or TBC realms... inside the Original World of Warcraft Client.
i remember at level 30... i got a quest to swim far out the sea to a little island... to get my amazing warrior axe that i always kept just because it was cool...
i had to make quests to get different stances...
bear form, cat form... getting a new form in every 10th level...
getting air, fire, earth, water totems... one by one...
being able to tame pets, feed them...
even dropped tomes that made mages able to make different food, or a cool polymorph...
idk... i miss so many things that a thread here isn't enough to describe it all... i miss the old time when World of Warcraft was better than hanging with my friends at the schoolyard playing, or just staying late at a friends house or whatever...
World of Warcraft had my friends, sitting by a bonefire talking about anything, dueling in durotar, being kind, buying fadeleaf to a rogue after a duel... making them super happy.... idk... it feels like they've removed the "role playing" out of the game...
people think i like hard things, or things that take long time... but they're actually misunderstanding my whole thread...
i miss the role playing, the feelings you would get from achieving a new weapon... new shoulders... the feeling that said "Finally, i got a new item... i deserve it"
it's just like IRL... if anything was given free/easily, how can you be happy? think about that... i'd rather work long and hard for a new item than getting one very easy with the mind set on getting another one tomorrow anyway? i couldn't be happy that way...
vanishing powder
poison
blinding powder
arrows / bullets using a quiver and even 1h weapons if you were to get into close combat...
portal runes
getting fiery weapon was expensive so you got beastslaying just because you wanted the glow...
warlocks went farming soul shards
leveling so slow that you would actually go through a whole zone and enjoy every single quest and keep up with the story... finding caves, swimming the water because you had to do quests there, farming cloth because first aid was actually convenient...
fishing/farming to make food, if you weren't a mage...
making shield block damage enchants
make bow/gun enchants...
farming light feather for slow fall...
not because it was necessary... but because it was fun to have, characters was more fun back then imo... because there was so much more to do except farm dungeons or battlegrounds and gold :/
when Professions could actually make good weapons/armors that people would actually use... just just belt and legs...
saving DKP... for that ONE ITEM YOU WANTED.
instead of someone rolling more than you on a rare item... every time... 5 times in row...
farming the resistance gear... fire for MC / BWL, nature for AQ... frost for certain boss in NAXX...
you had a JOB... and it wasn't to farm gold for your repair bills or food/pots...
you would do so much more than just that... to be ready for a raid...
there's so much to say... because i really miss the role playing part of World of Warcraft...
and about Alterac Valley... i miss farming scraps and bloods to send troops... summon bosses... it was way funnier that way... i do not like the rushing that we're doing right now it's not fun actually... the whole concept of the Battleground is not working the way it should... i actually liked Alterac Valley and i really really really hope that Ashran will give me that old feeling of endless battles that will just go on and on and on and we're picking up reinforcements and blah blah...
(i like the guildwars eternal battleground cuz of this... just wish World of Warcraft could do something like this!
Alterac Valley once was like this)
whatever it'll never be the same...
***** i will add more to this thread later, i must continue working right now... i'm sorry *****
P.S. this is just my point of view, i do not care whether you think that i'm retarded or not, but the game HAS CHANGED and i know a lot of people who have quit the game because of all the changes...
why do you think that Vanilla / TBC private servers are so popular? there's hundreds of thousands of players playing Vanilla / TBC private server... because they want to play the old school World of Warcraft, but Blizzard isn't making their own realms with Vanilla/TBC... and i would never do such a thing as to play a fake-client game... i'm just wishing for retail WoW to become something better... a game as which i dont have to feel "i don't have anything to do" no more...
However, i still enjoy the game... i'm just making this thread simply because; i think that World of Warcraft has lost the spark in a few edges here and there, the game isn't actually RUINED... but for ME... PERSONALLY... it has been digging its own grave... i'm not talking for all of you.... i'm making this thread from MY POINT OF VIEW... MINE ONLY. PERIOD.
Sincerely, Everztar / Nizque / Piizh / Chojuro, Implodanter of the Realms Darksorrow and Stormscale.
p.s. this thread is with no intentions supposed to be some a way to promote myself in any way.
i just want more people to see it and help me/us oldschoolers out, to make blizzard understand.
i will use comments and thoughts to write down and send it all to blizzard, when i've acquired enough materials and proof that they are in fact ruining their own game for the sake of 12 year olds with no temper what so ever.
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the thread is about WoW not being what it used to be, that the game is mostly just a lobby to queue for whatever you want, the RPG is now long lost, people don't want to play together and such...
epics are now common, easy to obtain heck even EVERYONE has their Legendary items...
you can't have friends or you don't even know any alliance guild names anymore, you have no rivals or enemies...
more and more players quit the game and i feel that blizzard will make the game suck big time... i find it inevitable.
are you willing to help us (who know how WoW WAS... and want to get back the RPG, FACTION rivalry, making professions profitable, outdoor PvP and better rivalry between the horde and the alliance? among many other things)
then please participate in our debate here;
the point of this World of Warcraft thread is to make Blizzard open their eyes and see... the there is a few things that MUST BE BROUGHT BACK before they have completely dug their own grave!
please help us, we need World of Warcraft to fix what they have damaged!!
*** the original post ***
Hello Guys, so yeah... i'm an old-school player.
i've been playing World of Warcraft since launch, and i must say... the game is pretty much getting ruined for me... what about you? don't you think so?
probably not, because you don't know better since most of you weren't there when it all began, when the game was epic.
here, i'll mention a few things that has changed during the years... which has also made me think that the game is currently digging it's own grave.
1. The game is a MMO... they've removed the RPG entirely IMO.
so it's no longer a MMOrpg imo.
i could login right now with my newly dinged 90 shaman... and get full "best" pvp gear in 1 day...
(yeah i'm serious... since i have a cap for about 18000k conquest points)
*** EDIT ***
like seriously... i leveled 1-60 in months... i had more than 200 days played on my warrior, i player SO DAMN MUCH and every time there was something special, a raid.... farming a certain rep (which took time btw) nowday it seems you become best friends with an entire faction in 1 day... what did u do? save them from the wrath of some crazy monster or what? why would you become EXALTED with a FACTION in 1 day? seriously.... that's just ridiculous...
i didn't get into raiding until pretty late... with my priest that is... but i always dreamed about getting Tier 1 with my warrior because i LOOOVED the Might set! but i never really got it... cuz my realm was over-populated with warriors... so i rerolled a priest to do PvE and kept doing PvP with the warrior!
i remember fighting about the box in Gurubashi Arena...
i remember when making a TWINK was actually fun because you'd be overpower and troll people in BG...
nowday if u queue BG with a twink you get opponents that are also twinks... why would you even want to make a twink then? XD
i remember how everyone was farming in Tyr's Hand... or Heartglen to kill elites that was actually SO HARD that most of the people could only do 1 and then they needed to eat food or use first aid XD
elites nowday? well... if you don't kill it in 2 hits then you must've had ressurection sickness
i even solo RARE ELITES such as Warbringers, etc within 1 bladestorm
where is the fun? seriously... and YES there is transmogg... but i remember walking around the city being like OMFG SOMEONE WITH RAGNAROS HAND JUST PASSED ME BY, WHEN DID SOMEONE ON THIS SERVER GET THAT? /w hey congratulations to the legendary <3
OMG WHAT SHOULDERS IS THAT? NEVER SEEN IT omg it's from AQ?... RESPECT TO YOU <3
i mean... transmogg is fun... and i bet a lot of people love it... but i think it ruined the game a little too... i mean... i want to be able to walk in the city, knowing what gear people have... without having to inspect everybody =p
i just with there was 100% legit Original vanilla realms... Bug-free but starting from patch 1.x.x and making us have to progress in order for them to release new content etc
i don't like the --> straight to last raid
i want us to go through ZG -> MC -> BWL -> AQ -> NAXX
nowday you hit lvl 90, go to an isle to aquire good gear enough for LFR(looking for raid) and just queue up and you're already doing the newest content :/... you should have to start from the beginning.... normal dungeon -> Heroic dungeon -> first raid, second raid, third raid and THEN Siege of Orgrimmar
nowday u can just skip everything and go straight to the end... where's the fun in that?
lol... you always did run all raids in a week... some did it to earn DKP, some run with alts, some got boosted gear, some just for the fun of it...
though i DO understand if you don't want to backtrack old content nowdays... cuz let's face it... you'd be doing Siege of Orgrimmar 4 times a week... (lfr, flex, normal, hc) which is pretty booring, isn't it?
but it's a whole other thing if we're talking about 3-4 unique raids every week... right?
[/QUOTE]and what the hell is this!?!?! YOU AINT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO SOLO A RAID BOSS AT YOUR CURRENT EXPANSION.... WTF?!?!?
[video=youtube_share;MB7Q6aTrbHc]http://youtu.be/MB7Q6aTrbHc[/video]
and wtf about this "oh you've never been to this dungeon? well then you can't join.... link achievement or you will never be able to tag along..."
*** what happaned to attunaments? i actually liked attunaments!! ***
"Hey guys we have outdoor pvp.... but if you try to attack someone they can sap/stun/cc you and fly away"
"but oh wait... no one is ever outside of the city anyway!"
"you want epics? sure just /claim epics... they're free, go ahead take them!"
ep·ic [ep-ik]: heroic; majestic; impressively great: the epic events of the war."
does it look like Epic is still... epic to you?
"you want mounts? sure go to this place and farm for 1 day and you'll be exalted!"
"a day is too much? oh sorry, get this tabard, only 45 silver and you can get it in half a day instead!"
"the game is not unbalanced... that is why frost mages have never been nerfed but everyone else has."
"oh you're queueing as a dps? just hold on a minute... or 15... no wait u must wait 30 minutes sorry!"
*** please allow more classes to be able to tank ***
"oh your friend died... don't worry you can resurrect him in combat... oh no you died... don't worry he can combat ress you as well... unless you're in heroic."
"damn a sword dropped and i really want it... i didn't get it... whatever i'll get the mace, the axe or the 1h weapons from all the other bosses with almost the exact same stats... cuz i'll transmog anyway."
"you wanna work hard to achieve? ... ... wait... ... sorry then this is not the game for you, we've optimized this game for 12 years and under... so that they can progress every day... and get free epics"
i still remember when i played in vanilla... i played my warrior for over 1 year and i had like 2 epics at first... the unstoppable force and the immovable object. AND THOSE WERE PVP REWARDS WTF
***You had to be exalted with Alterac Valley***
then i hit ranked up in PvP which took me a couple of months... i eventually got the shoulders from being exalted with Arathi Basin which was nice... and rest of my gear was rank 1-9 blues... until i had played for another few months and actually ranked up to rank 11 i believe it was? to get boots and gloves? i almost felt mighty... as if i had accomplished some greatness in the game... people were happy about me ranking up... i was starting to get a littlebit famous... if it wasn't for that guy Ztar from a particular guild who climbed in ranks like ridiculously fast because he actually achieved a LEGENDARY WEAPON (Ragnaros Hand) and he was the only one on the server, so he started smashing the pvp big-time.... well, i can't say he didn't deserve it... he totally did... he was a true legend on the Darksorrow Realm... but he was no match for the Alliance Human Female Warrior... Anise... She was rank 14, a real grand marshal... every horde feared her... even in the local defence chat "/3" people would say RUN!!! ANISE IS COMING TO TYRS HAND and seriously we all abandoned the place because we knew we'd get humiliated by her skills...
however, moving on;
i remember when it was actually HARD to get items... i remember when i was HAPPY when i got a new item?
nowdays you can defeat the game in less than 2 months... do all dungeons get all the best gear with extra rolls... cuz rolling once per boss each week wasn't enough... like WTF?!?!?!?! GAME IT'S TOO EASY... AND I DON'T LIKE EASY GAMES i miss the old times... where you had to run to your place with 60% mount cuz there was no way in hell you could farm 800g for 100% mount... and the only way to get a faster mount was to get that friggin carrot on a damn stick... xD
"LET'S DO AV... AND SUMMON BOSS!" - 2008 player be like: boss? what boss? is there a boss in AV? u mean Vandaar or something? balinda? can't summon, they're already there!
"I remember when i could play AV for 10 hours, go to bed and come back... and enter THE SAME DAMN AV!" 2008 players be like - wat? how? everyone protected base or what? omg noobs! i usually win/loose av in 15 min
*** FIX THIS OMG
I MISS IT... ***"i remember in vanilla... you could not waste your hearthstone if you knew you had to go back to Orgrimmar TWICE... cuz there was a 60 min cooldown... so you'd use the flight path!"
"i remember in Vanilla... you could go just select any of those; Silithus, Eastern Plague, Winterspring, Burning Steppes, Blackrock Mountain... if you wanted some PvP... cuz people were actually doing quests... and couldn't escape with flying mount... and if you wanted to be really evil, you could also go to Stv/Stonetalon/Feralas and kill low levels, even Ashenvale you'd see allys 24/7...
the best part? the most evil part? let's take it from the beginning...
in vanilla... at level 20 you could do Wailing Caverns or the old version of Deadmines...
if you were horde, you'd stand in Crossroads and /1 LF3M HEALER TANK AND DPS FOR WC!!! /w me
if you were a ally, you'd stand in Westfall and do the same... AFTER YOU HAD FOUND 5 MEMBERS FOR A TEAM... it was finally time to summon them with the MEETING STONE... and ATLEAST 2 players had to go there to summon...
if you wanted to be evil... you could just go to WC or DM summoner stones and await a 5 man party... go in there and slay them... you wouldn't even one shot them... there was no such thing as one shotting people back then. maybe a lvl 1-20 ok... but not above that. you'd crit MAXIMUM of 2k. but that was with special abilities and trinkets and shit. anyways... fun way to gank people... if you were really evil that is. *** i'm not evil, promise! ***
wanna hear more? oh yeah... i remember in vanilla... if someone had half gear with epics he was cool... if someone had epic mount he was cool... if someone had found the ZULIAN TIGER HE WAS SUPER COOL...
but if someone Obtained the Amani War bear, "k bro who cares"
if someone gets full epic in a week "k bro who cares"
nothing is special nowadays and Blizzard made sure that everything was easy to obtain. even Raven Lord was once very very very rare, and could only be obtained if you were a Druid
*** well, you could give it away to team members ***
another one; engineering was fun, you could make bombs and use them...
first aid was necessary for most people cuz it actually healed you about 50% your hp.
HEALING POTS, don't forget that... it was also like 50% your hp...
hunters had to buy arrows and could use melee in close combat... now they just scatter > trap you to get away and where's the fun in that? i miss razor blade and wingclip wtf
P.S. if you were good in vanilla... you were famous. not cuz you streamed, not cuz you were some other internet celebrity. but for the fact that there was no such thing as cross realm PVP or PVE.
people would be like "omg Anise on alliance side is rank 14. ****ing GRAND MARSHAL. RESPECT. DON'T MESS WITH HER."
now when i find friends which is very rare, they're on another realm and 1 week later they're forgotten.
i remember when i could walk past orgrimmar auction house and see 20 players that was my friends...
now it's more like: Ankrut? he must be new... Blrgu... he must also be new... who is this and who is that?
no respect, no nothing. :3 i'm very sad because World of Warcraft used to be such a nice place and i had tons of friends
* i could keep on writing here for hours about things that is ruined, but unfortunately i don't have more time.
please comment what you think about this...
1. Should it really be this easy to farm gear?
2. Wouldn't you like Attunaments instead of achievement linking?
3. Would you mind, if epics were only obtainable from raids, with a lower chance? say 2 items per boss drops, instead of like 6-8 or whatever it is?
4. How can you be happy about getting a item, if you know that within the next 24 hours you might replace it?
5. Why would there be so many zones with so many quests... if you don't even have time to do more than 5 quests each zone because you level up too fast?
6. i watched a Youtube Video of a blue geared level 90 going to Draenor for the first time... and 2 hitted mobs... and got BLUE GEAR FROM QUESTS!?!?!? will Draenor really be that easy!?!? is there no challenge in questing?!?!
please tell me what you think, and please criticize and change my mind, i really want to be interested in playing Warlords of Draenor... but i'm having a hard time right now...
and i do not blame Blizzard for any of this, they've just been listening to their "fans"
i love blizzard and i always will... i hope that some day there will be Vanilla or TBC realms... inside the Original World of Warcraft Client.
i remember at level 30... i got a quest to swim far out the sea to a little island... to get my amazing warrior axe that i always kept just because it was cool...
i had to make quests to get different stances...
bear form, cat form... getting a new form in every 10th level...
getting air, fire, earth, water totems... one by one...
being able to tame pets, feed them...
even dropped tomes that made mages able to make different food, or a cool polymorph...
idk... i miss so many things that a thread here isn't enough to describe it all... i miss the old time when World of Warcraft was better than hanging with my friends at the schoolyard playing, or just staying late at a friends house or whatever...
World of Warcraft had my friends, sitting by a bonefire talking about anything, dueling in durotar, being kind, buying fadeleaf to a rogue after a duel... making them super happy.... idk... it feels like they've removed the "role playing" out of the game...
people think i like hard things, or things that take long time... but they're actually misunderstanding my whole thread...
i miss the role playing, the feelings you would get from achieving a new weapon... new shoulders... the feeling that said "Finally, i got a new item... i deserve it"
it's just like IRL... if anything was given free/easily, how can you be happy? think about that... i'd rather work long and hard for a new item than getting one very easy with the mind set on getting another one tomorrow anyway? i couldn't be happy that way...
vanishing powder
poison
blinding powder
arrows / bullets using a quiver and even 1h weapons if you were to get into close combat...
portal runes
getting fiery weapon was expensive so you got beastslaying just because you wanted the glow...
warlocks went farming soul shards
leveling so slow that you would actually go through a whole zone and enjoy every single quest and keep up with the story... finding caves, swimming the water because you had to do quests there, farming cloth because first aid was actually convenient...
fishing/farming to make food, if you weren't a mage...
making shield block damage enchants
make bow/gun enchants...
farming light feather for slow fall...
not because it was necessary... but because it was fun to have, characters was more fun back then imo... because there was so much more to do except farm dungeons or battlegrounds and gold :/
when Professions could actually make good weapons/armors that people would actually use... just just belt and legs...
saving DKP... for that ONE ITEM YOU WANTED.
instead of someone rolling more than you on a rare item... every time... 5 times in row...
farming the resistance gear... fire for MC / BWL, nature for AQ... frost for certain boss in NAXX...
you had a JOB... and it wasn't to farm gold for your repair bills or food/pots...
you would do so much more than just that... to be ready for a raid...
there's so much to say... because i really miss the role playing part of World of Warcraft...
and about Alterac Valley... i miss farming scraps and bloods to send troops... summon bosses... it was way funnier that way... i do not like the rushing that we're doing right now
it's not fun actually... the whole concept of the Battleground is not working the way it should... i actually liked Alterac Valley and i really really really hope that Ashran will give me that old feeling of endless battles that will just go on and on and on and we're picking up reinforcements and blah blah... (i like the guildwars eternal battleground cuz of this... just wish World of Warcraft could do something like this!
Alterac Valley once was like this)
whatever
it'll never be the same...***** i will add more to this thread later, i must continue working right now... i'm sorry *****
P.S. this is just my point of view, i do not care whether you think that i'm retarded or not, but the game HAS CHANGED and i know a lot of people who have quit the game because of all the changes...
why do you think that Vanilla / TBC private servers are so popular? there's hundreds of thousands of players playing Vanilla / TBC private server... because they want to play the old school World of Warcraft, but Blizzard isn't making their own realms with Vanilla/TBC... and i would never do such a thing as to play a fake-client game... i'm just wishing for retail WoW to become something better... a game as which i dont have to feel "i don't have anything to do" no more...
However, i still enjoy the game... i'm just making this thread simply because; i think that World of Warcraft has lost the spark in a few edges here and there, the game isn't actually RUINED... but for ME... PERSONALLY... it has been digging its own grave... i'm not talking for all of you.... i'm making this thread from MY POINT OF VIEW... MINE ONLY. PERIOD.
You are probably gonna be nostalgia bombed...
But yeah i agree, never have wow been so boring as it has now. PVP has a decent skillfloor, but on the other hand most classes is just button bash atm.
And yeah they key fun parts in wow was:
Epic gear was EPIC
Attunements was fun as it was part of progress!
Old content was viable no matter how many months/year passed. Like we see anyone today bother raiding MAX 1 tier below.
No snowflake items =/
Alot of people are gonna piss and whine over they cant get the same as others with work and sheit.
Some people looked at others in near perfect gear and thought to themselves. MEH I SHOULD HAVE THAT GEAR TO FOR 1/4'th THE EFFORT.
While some of us looked at them with admiration! And thought to ourselves, one day thats gonna be me.
I cant remember the last time i was stoked/excited about getting a epic loot.
Cant remember the last time i enjoyed an arena.
Kinda pissed off they removed titles from 2v2 aswell.
IF anything they could have just make it harder to get to the top %. And maybe remove r1 title from the bracket....
Personally 2v2 can be a drag, especially in MoP...
But damn i had tons of interresting matches in tbc / wotlk.
And the reasoning to removing was that it was to hard to balance...
Like 3v3 is balanced...
THINK ABOUT IT, in a season its always the same combos that dominate ladders...
ATM its LSD/LSD2 etc etc.
And finally and foremost its a game, its digital reward, its a digital mount/title.
Why have a bracket that is pointless to play...
Now its just for boosting peoples cap / capping yourself.
Me and 6 irl mates all started in vanilla/BC. And yeah we all agree wow was better back then. More to do, no reason to be altoholic 1-2 max'd lvl was more then enough.
Gear/downing new bosses was more exhillerating.
But that is not to say that vanilla/TBC utterly STINKS to play now.
It does, its not fun imho...
It was great back then, not so much anymore...
But neither is current wow.
I have very high hopes for WoD, hopefully it will bring back the potential to 1vX again.
Well that and 0 bots in BG's.
I remember in BC / WOTLK The glad people i met in arena's i also met in world / BG's VERY often.
Because BG's was fun, raids was fun, i had no problem not doing sunwell, i was perfectly fine progressing in BT/Hyjal.
MoP sucks, its casualcraft. No RPG elements, no possibilities for creative talent builds, no pleasure in PVE progress (Heroic raids cleared in 1 week).
That aint ****ing pleasure... Pleasure is being stuck on a boss for 2 weeks to suddenly down him, to have 25 people SCREAMING FOR 5 minutes, everyone with a smile on their lips impossible to remove!.
And finding that special epic loot you have been wanting so badly!...
../.. MoP & Cata
And if you are wondering about blizzard logics
Here is an example: They are adding ladder seasons to diablo 3.
A game without trade.
Like it isnt hard enough to find upgrades without having to start over
Less button bash, less cooldown spamming, less wellfare epics, more thinking.
Sincerely, Everztar / Nizque / Piizh / Chojuro, Implodanter of the Realms Darksorrow and Stormscale.
p.s. this thread is with no intentions supposed to be some a way to promote myself in any way.
i just want more people to see it and help me/us oldschoolers out, to make blizzard understand.
i will use comments and thoughts to write down and send it all to blizzard, when i've acquired enough materials and proof that they are in fact ruining their own game for the sake of 12 year olds with no temper what so ever.
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