The purpose of this ISO is to look into Sagebee's actions, interactions, opinion on the subject named SoulKiller,
Hey everyone long time no talk bit intimidated on the size of this mafia game seeing alot a new players that I need to adjust for. So far only caught up to reading half way in the game so far.
So far my susses are for poison, tiger, thestatusquo, rej and bee number 2.
Reasons are for some playing styles feel off, some feel eager to get town support and some were active for the fluff posts and but disappeared when actual game got going on.
I'll finish and finalize my reads later in the day.
Ok Sagebee's intial suss list - Poison, Tigerrr, TSQ, Rej and Beeboat.
There's no SoulKiller.
Seems soul and michelle are the popular lynchs this phase can someone quickly explain why?
This is The first time he mentioned SoulKiller in his post. But this post is NAI at best
What's the theory exactly unless soul did something scum I rather bet on poison
This post looks Okay but this kind of post isn't that hard for Mafia to make one. It's NAI still.
In those cases where hes begging for legitamate I tend to believe them unless proven inaccurate maybe he truly knows michelle is scum if not hes easy target next phase
I'm not really sure on this part but if Sagebee is scum he is trying to justify or trying to rationalize SoulKiller's action.
Do you know around when he makes those reads
Of what I've read of soul so far it's not out of the ordinary of his playing style even tho so far his scum hunting and rational hasnt been to constructive but still early phases
Seriously he said it's still early???
We were already in the 3DP at that time. There were so many Informations we can gain at that time.
@bold that's what makes SK looking out of ordinary if SK is Town. I have played with Town SK before and he was more focus, invested and solving since day 1. Supporting him is his on point Gif play.
From what people are describing to me they are saying you just wanted players to go with your read on michelle with no constructive reasons
Could you quickly list the reasons you gave on michelle and how sure you are shes scum
This interaction feels natural but its not that complex to be fake out. Pretending to be curious and asking something to your scum buddy. Tbh It can go both ways.
I dont really feel comfortable with soul bandwagon lynch if that's the reason he did give a case to why Michelle's scum
Soft defending here???? Who knows
Maybe people at that time didn't see it as an issue so they just ignored it. I really like to know people opinion about this.
If I'm incorrect correct me I was told he got voted on by some because he was pushing for Michele lynch with no reason another person substantiated as catching him doing something scummy in the game
You view him scum and why
This can be indirect attempt to save SoulKiller.
Alright let's get this show on the road I'm all caught up
I'll start with the michelle and soul dispute last game after looking at both there comments I think theres a case to say both are scum but I lean towards michelle more because shes been fluff posting throughout the entire game, soul fluff posted intiatially but last phase he took more serious in his analysis and scum hunting. His case on how Michelle hasnt been serious in game was good one. And personally didn't like her initial lynch of ancient and various lynchs with no real reason.
My vote last phase was with poison and after fully reading it didnt help her case. She was acting emotional and defensive frol the beginning just to be sussed and gives a lynch. She repeatedly said she was having personal issues as an excuse maybe true or also manipulation to be looked at erratic town. In past when ever she would give reads it was more constructive not in this one and she was praising how Toujo was such a good lynch even tho you had x and Toujo on same suss level. To me shes easily the scummiest player in the game.
With the toujo and x dispute not sure why it escalated to that level and there arguements didnt seem constructive to the game. I didnt like x initial post gave reads no basis after that he got into argiemenhs couldnt really find him scum hunting. Also didn't like how he said he didjt mind getting lynched when there wasn't a wagon on him and in general that type comment always comes off manipulative.
Also needs to be noted how ryu and angel lack presence in the game worries me
His read on SoulKiller is funny. When he only looked at the surface and not dug deeper to search for suspicious substance there you know that Sagebee wasn't really serious reading SoulKiller.
So mainly think sk is scum due to the way hes pushing you of saying he knows your scum play and you find him being deceptive and manipulative in pushing you
I'll check again between you guys
But of what I know of soul if he was scum he wouldnt put attention on himself and wouldnt blatantly push a lynch especially around still the beginning portion of the game
Are you sure?
Checked the rej and soul interactions seems its starts with rej lynching soul because he assumes toujo isnt a cop which leads to an arguement against them
I feel from both rejs and souls side they have rationale but they are also both emotional lynchs on both parts
@SoulKiller your hurting cause by reacting in hostile and emotional manner overshadowing rational you have. Take a breather and purely treason your position
What's your thoughts on poison I think my case on her is stronger than your case in Michelle
@everyone when we push a lynch it better be with reason and evidence it's not going to be a random or emotional lynch that people bandwagon let's all calm down and try to reason this thing out
This post look genuine tho
Alot of typos
Correction
@SoulKiller your hurting your cause by acting hostile and emotion which is overshadowing you rational and causing people to turn on you. Take a step back and just purely reason your position.
And dont turn this into a revenge mission where you got to get out Michelle
How possible is this to be a scum advising the other scum?
Alot of the people here are town leaning michelle so your best bet is questioning people why they town lean her.
I'm waiting for michelle myself to justify herself.
But the majority of the people find poison suss and theres strong case on here and if we get her out have a good grasp on who to town lean and scum lean from it.
Even if you manage to get out michelle that's what's ome scum out and wont help us narrow things down. Poison is definitely the better chess piece to play.
Seems like Sagebee still read Michelle as scum and sided with SoulKiller.
Let's move past arguements and just give reasons I looked back to when you casted the vote you didnt give a reason what's your rationale that souls the best lynch this phase.
The tiger gave was him being hostile to rej
Rej reason is dismissing x as cop
And michelle doesnt like soul sussed him
All these arent good reasons to go after him
What's your reason?
Is he seriou??? He doesn't believe SK is scum but really believe that Poison is scum.
In the end of the day if people are dead set on pushing their lynchs without discussing them go ahead I'll try my best to steer the conversations productively but if no one wants to give effort themselves we will get another pointless myslynch that we've been getting every phase now
An attempt to steer away a lynch from SK??)
@SoulKiller your going to need a solid case if your going push her
I don't think theres any strong arguements against you yet I have to check back on you comments on x and tougo but pks change of attitude of definitely pushing you has got me interested making me lean on going for you even tho I dont like that hes not using concrete arguements to drive the point home your scum
So Sagebee force opening up himself for 180 degrees turn.
@-PK- I'm willing to go after soul since you this adamant about it but if your wrong for me your going to take the blame on it
So be sure how much your willing to pursue this if you arent that sure to say 100 or 90% then I need arguements from you because the one you gave you said was just a theory which you backed out on last phase.
I like this warning tho lol
But if Sagebee is scum and wanted to make that move looks natural and believeable that's how it done.
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Overall for me Sagebee is 50/50 but lean towards scum. He was defending SoulKiller all the time but not by claiming SK is Town vice versa but by questioning people their reasons. Which mean he tells people that he is ready to reconsider if he finds very good reasoning. So he has the right to defend SoulKiller. So it looked more less suspicious than the other way around.