[Discussion] And here, I list all the problems with Gaiden.

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Re: People will defend this.

If that's your solution for any fictional debate you must be a really boring person. Why even bother discussing things if 'hur dur its fiction'?

Surprised nobody is defending this. I think we can all agree Gaiden was a mistake then?
No, but when you try to use real world logic to try to understand fictional logic, it'll just be pointless. Orochimaru getting away with everything he did, of course that sounds illogical. However in Naruto, the power of forgiveness over comes all, so now he is free without any consequences. Sound's dumb when you use real world logic, but when you use Naruto logic, it makes perfect sense.
 

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If Oda had a clone and written Naruto
Boa was his version of fan girl. Baby 5 - the convenient wife... And that one which was fighting Frankie and then thought he was flirting and stopped fighting...Tashigi who will never be anywhere near Zoro....

But of course the new development for them would mean Hinata, Sakura, Karin, Ino everyone losing all their shirts and never finding it again... and more pantie shots ....

Kabuto would be making a monstrous gaseous monster which would be actually a dud, if people figure out that after freezing people if you break the cast the person is still living inside. Once that secret is out that weapon is utterly useless but apparently another super scientists wouldn't be able to figure that out and it would remain vague to him that he was punked.

And of course we would read 50 chapters before finding that out while everyone is just running...
 
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Re: People will defend this.

No, but when you try to use real world logic to try to understand fictional logic, it'll just be pointless. Orochimaru getting away with everything he did, of course that sounds illogical. However in Naruto, the power of forgiveness over comes all, so now he is free without any consequences. Sound's dumb when you use real world logic, but when you use Naruto logic, it makes perfect sense.
Forgiveness didn't stop him from destroying black Zetsu, so how come he forgave Orochimaru who was the root of all Sasuke's pain?

dat salt..
I bet you don't have a girlfriend, if you did you would know a thing or two about women. Logic does not apply to women. That is that. There is few other things but..............
I have no time for idiot posts like this.
 
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Tottaly agreed
This conclusion is soooooo lame
Is obvious karin is bio mum
Sakura came to assist for 4 to 5 month, cause sasuke wasnt happy karin being all alone, sasuke probably left, that where karin got her relationship with sakura
 

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Re: People will defend this.

Also, why no photos or visits from Sasuke? In the Bolt movie he can make clones, he has a hawk to send messages, and why couldn't he have found a charger.

To answer your first point, its fiction. Vegeta slaughtered entire planets and civilizations and look where he is now.
Those people got revived via Dragon Balls.
 

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Re: People will defend this.

No, but when you try to use real world logic to try to understand fictional logic, it'll just be pointless. Orochimaru getting away with everything he did, of course that sounds illogical. However in Naruto, the power of forgiveness over comes all, so now he is free without any consequences. Sound's dumb when you use real world logic, but when you use Naruto logic, it makes perfect sense.
And Orochimaru is still stealing bodies.
 

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Eh, I have enjoyed everything Kishimoto has made. My only problem was that Kishimoto clearly knows how to develop a female character, so why no love for Sakura? Could have done a lot to redeem her than just make her another "background" character.

But I'm just glad we know that Sarada is Sakura's daughter. That's about as final as Obito's reveal.
 

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I won't defend the content as there were less than a handful of good moments. However, the slight introduction we got to the kids and the state of affairs of the naruworld will ultimately benefit us when watching the movie. However it did not do much for me. Minimal good combat and no great plot lines, and a plot twist that we got psyched on...woo
 

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My interpretation was that Sakura got pregnant during Sasuke's mission to find the thing that is worst that Kaguya, and only returned to Konoha to raise Sarada.
 

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People will defend this.
I still enjoyed the arc don't get me wrong, it was nice to have some genuine human interaction again and some new characters which the final 2 arcs forgot how to do but...

You are right on every single one of these points. Add Shin being a generic Orochimaru experiment rather than everything he was hyped up to be for the upcoming movie threat and i'd think you were channeling me haha!
 

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Re: People will defend this.

Forgiveness didn't stop him from destroying black Zetsu, so how come he forgave Orochimaru who was the root of all Sasuke's pain?



I have no time for idiot posts like this.
That Salt.

Orchimaru is literally a non threat now, and he can't be killed, and can't effictively be inprisoned.
Kabuto was basically lobotomized with izinami, he literally can't turn on anyone. (You're also forgetting that Naruto is literally anime Jesus)
The Gaiden was unnecessary to you because it's not what you wanted to happen.
Karin having the cord is a non issue, stop asking irrelevant questions.
Sasuke is a cold character, he doesn't like to show his emotions. Has Vegeta ever kissed his wife?
Shin's clones turnned on him, that's all you need to know.
Sakura has been shown to do stupid emotional things, she probably sneaked out
They never said that they let Sakura go.
Doesn't matter they met, another non issue.

Conclusion-Salt level 120%
 
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Re: People will defend this.

That Salt.

Orchimaru is literally a non threat now, and he can't be killed.
Kabuto was basically lobotomized with izinami, he literally can't turn on anyone. (You're also forgetting that Naruto is literally anime Jesus)
The Gaiden was unnecessary to you because it's not what you wanted to happen.
Karin having the cord is a non issue, stop asking irrelevant questions.
Sasuke is a cold character, he doesn't like to show his emotions. Has Vegeta ever kissed his wife?
Shin's clones turnned on him, that's all you need to know.
Sakura has been shown to do stupid emotional things, she probably sneaked out
They never said that they let Sakura go.
Doesn't matter they met, another non issue.

Conclusion-Salt level 120%
Why everybody with that avatar is such a prestigious ******* i'll never know. Must be connected.
 

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Re: People will defend this.

That Salt.

Orchimaru is literally a non threat now, and he can't be killed.
Kabuto was basically lobotomized with izinami, he literally can't turn on anyone. (You're also forgetting that Naruto is literally anime Jesus)
The Gaiden was unnecessary to you because it's not what you wanted to happen.
Karin having the cord is a non issue, stop asking irrelevant questions.
Sasuke is a cold character, he doesn't like to show his emotions. Has Vegeta ever kissed his wife?
Shin's clones turnned on him, that's all you need to know.
Sakura has been shown to do stupid emotional things, she probably sneaked out
They never said that they let Sakura go.
Doesn't matter they met, another non issue.

Conclusion-Salt level 120%
Don't get mad at me just because a mod deleted your post lol, shouldn't have been trolling. By the way I like how you gave me plus rep with a mean comment... I'm guessing that was supposed to be a petty neg rep, huh? :lol

I'll respond to these lackluster answers later on, if I feel like it. Thread has all but died anyway so you're slightly late.
 

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Orochimaru got away. Unpunished for all his actions.
Kabuto got away. Unpunished. And better yet placed in charge of an orphanage with literally an army of Mangekyo Sharingan kids and a giant one.

Karin is more mature than Sakura. She literally could not bare Sasuke leaving her again. All she wanted was the nuts. Karin just wanted him to be happy regardless.

Entire Gaiden was unnecessary. The point was for Karin to be the mother. Not Sakura. No reason Shizune couldn't have just said 'Sakura is your mom, you were just born outside the village'. There is no excuse for her not just saying that.

Karin keeps Sakuras umbilical cord in a glass showcase in her drawer. First of all- why. Second of all, why would Sakura not have it?

Sasuke didn't kiss his own wife after being gone for 14 years. He didn't hug his wife after being gone for 14 years. He took his lunch and walked away without saying I love you for probably another 14 years.

We never got closure of what happened to adult Shin. We just don't know. He probably died, yeah. But it's poor writing to not confirm it on screen since he was the main villain of the arc.

Whoever was Hokage at the time, Naruto or Kakashi, it doesn't matter. They allowed a pregnant woman, Sakura to leave the village safety and fend for herself to find Sasuke for 9 months until she couldn't find him, and had to give birth in Orochimarus hideout.

Instead of letting Sakura go, why did they not send out the anbu black ops to find Sasuke? Surely they would have had a better chance.

We have to just accept that Karin happened to find Sakura 'by chance' and assist her on her travel since it wasn't explained how they met.

People will defend this.
Oro dedicated a large portion of the strength that resulted in the war being won. The revived Kages did a lot of work for the alliance. Oro was simply allowed to continue living as a reward for his efforts, if you will. Its the same as with Sasuke, despite his international crimes (crimes greater than Oro's in total scope) he was allowed to live free because he helped save the world, even more-so than Oro.

Kabuto had a change in personality after being Izanami'd. He is no longer evil. He also played both sides in the war and leading up to it. He provided the Leaf with necessary info regarding Obito's hideout location among other things. He might have aided in the revival of Madara, but after his change in personality, his strengths were obviously best spent in the orphanage.

Clearly Karin is more mature than Sakura, doesn't give her more of a reason to be the mother. Shizune's obviously aware that Sasuke and Sakura's relationship is not normal, so it would have been awkward trying to explain that she's their daughter yet lack all evidence of a normal, loving, family.

Karin was the midwife, it would make more sense she would keep it than a parent would, still odd though for sure. Perhaps simply to keep a memory of the child she helped birth into this world. Kishi is simply proving that Sasuke is sill Sasuke. He's clearly not normal so he doesn't follow typical patterns of showing affection. How are you not used to that by now?

Not showing adult Shin's death might mean he's being brought back for the movie. You're mostly splitting hairs with the other stuff.
 
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Don't get mad at me just because a mod deleted your post lol, shouldn't have been trolling. By the way I like how you gave me plus rep with a mean comment... I'm guessing that was supposed to be a petty neg rep, huh? :lol

I'll respond to these lackluster answers later on, if I feel like it. Thread has all but died anyway so you're slightly late.
Mods deleted my post? I gave you pos rep to give thanks for salt.
 
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