Analysis: Who the manga says is the strongest Hokage...

[The Riddlerr]

well unlike that the oro situation was dire and he was a mass muderer and psycho. and he actually did fight back as he summoned enma but stupid hiruzen let his emotions get in the way. its cuz of his mistakes that the village was attacked and he still failed as oro got his arm back. and his title and so6p is different okay tha sage was a actual god not a wimp who couldnt make proper decisions and cuz of that put his entire home in jeopardy utter stupidity. and it was a girl from kumo not guy so fail you dont even know your facts. and he has no feats to back it up.

Fail troll is fail.

Get back under your bridge.

 

[Ryuu..]

Come on, Kishimoto by himself would never estimated the power of characters like Hashirama, Sasuke and Naruto at the time when th Manga was going about Hiruzen. Kishimoto has increased the level far, during earlier they fought with a Tomoe Sharingan, Byakugan, medicore Genjutsus and elementary techniques, the characters now are able to use the Eternal Mangekyou, Biju Mode, Rinnegan and a Mokuton on Madaras current level. The current Manga isn't a comparison to the old one, get it in you head bro.

Where's your evidence for this though? And while I agree he has increased the power levels, why don't you also assume that if he was ever to show Prime Hiruzen, his power levels will also increase?

 

[Raito]

Where's your evidence for this though? And while I agree he has increased the power levels, why don't you also assume that if he was ever to show Prime Hiruzen, his power levels will also increase?

To keep up with the level of the EMS, Rinnegan or Hashiramas Mokuton, even a prime Hiruzen should have the power of a Kekkei Kenkai or Biju. Look at which level the current Manga is going on, Naruto gained full control over the Kyuubi and is able to use the Bijumode, Sasuke can use the Eternal Mangekyou and Hashirama was able to use the wood release on the level Madara has shown it at least. What would be the difference between the old and prime Hiruzen? Only stamina, physical strength and a bit of more speed. Of course, he was a good Shinobi and was called professor for a reason, because he mastered all areas of the ninja arts to a high level, but that's not far enough to keep up with the current characters and their known Kekkei Kenkais. Someone like Hashirama would crush Hiruzen with a single Mokutontechnique. Even the five kages can't keep up with this. You just can't compare the old manga, where Kishimotos ideas weren't mature, with the current. In the old Manga, Hashiramas Mokuton was on Yamatos level, the current Manga shows, that Hashirama can create a flower three world in an instant.

 

[Owarij]

To keep up with the level of the EMS, Rinnegan or Hashiramas Mokuton, even a prime Hiruzen should have the power of a Kekkei Kenkai or Biju. Look at which level the current Manga is going on, Naruto gained full control over the Kyuubi and is able to use the Bijumode, Sasuke can use the Eternal Mangekyou and Hashirama was able to use the wood release on the level Madara has shown it at least. What would be the difference between the old and prime Hiruzen? Only stamina, physical strength and a bit of more speed. Of course, he was a good Shinobi and was called professor for a reason, because he mastered all areas of the ninja arts to a high level, but that's not far enough to keep up with the current characters and their known Kekkei Kenkais. Someone like Hashirama would crush Hiruzen with a single Mokutontechnique. Even the five kages can't keep up with this. You just can't compare the old manga, where Kishimotos ideas weren't mature, with the current. In the old Manga, Hashiramas Mokuton was on Yamatos level, the current Manga shows, that Hashirama can create a flower three world in an instant.

how do you know he didn't have a kkg? how do you know anything about him?

enma was easily slicing through his moukouton, and ive said it before, the thing kishi based enma on , aka monkey king had a whole bunch of shit.. his pole had 72 transformations.. we saw 2 in the manga.. pole and cage.... he had control over water and wind... we've seen frogs do that... but what makes him unique, was according to the myth he could combine the water and wind to make cloud... which would make enma the only summoning (known so far) with a kkg..

you have no idea what kishi planned on doing with the character.. its said he has thousands of jutsu's, you have no idea what any of them are..

 

[Raito]

Let's say, Hiruzen was so strong that he was called god, but Hashiramas powers on the other hand were that strong, that people could only consider him a fairy tail, like the Rikudo Sennin. And I'm sure you don't believe Hiruzen is stronger than the sage.

 

[Ryuu..]

To keep up with the level of the EMS, Rinnegan or Hashiramas Mokuton, even a prime Hiruzen should have the power of a Kekkei Kenkai or Biju. Look at which level the current Manga is going on, Naruto gained full control over the Kyuubi and is able to use the Bijumode, Sasuke can use the Eternal Mangekyou and Hashirama was able to use the wood release on the level Madara has shown it at least. What would be the difference between the old and prime Hiruzen? Only stamina, physical strength and a bit of more speed. Of course, he was a good Shinobi and was called professor for a reason, because he mastered all areas of the ninja arts to a high level, but that's not far enough to keep up with the current characters and their known Kekkei Kenkais. Someone like Hashirama would crush Hiruzen with a single Mokutontechnique. Even the five kages can't keep up with this. You just can't compare the old manga, where Kishimotos ideas weren't mature, with the current. In the old Manga, Hashiramas Mokuton was on Yamatos level, the current Manga shows, that Hashirama can create a flower three world in an instant.

We can't say how well Hiruzen prime would do against these techniques though, because we haven't seen him. Hype wise he is head and shoulders above the current kages, Kishi has said he is > Hashirama. You can't deny Kishi's hype, well you can, but then what you say is opinion not fact. You can believe part 1 and part 2 are not comparable but this is just your opinion. The OP is pure manga fact.

 

[Raito]

how do you know he didn't have a kkg? how do you know anything about him?

enma was easily slicing through his moukouton, and ive said it before, the thing kishi based enma on , aka monkey king had a whole bunch of shit.. his pole had 72 transformations.. we saw 2 in the manga.. pole and cage.... he had control over water and wind... we've seen frogs do that... but what makes him unique, was according to the myth he could combine the water and wind to make cloud... which would make enma the only summoning (known so far) with a kkg..

you have no idea what kishi planned on doing with the character.. its said he has thousands of jutsu's, you have no idea what any of them are..

It makes no sense to go only by hype, each Hohage had his reputation. Hiruzen was called god of shinobis, Hashirama was called a fairy tail, Minato was called whatever, the strongest of all Hokages. Youre right, we don't know all of Hiruzens Jutsus but same goes for the most other Shinobis.

 

[Sageofthepath]

When i was a kid i though my father was the strongest...


as i was growing up i enlarge my view and understanding of the world

 

[Owarij]

It makes no sense to go only by hype, each Hohage had his reputation. Hiruzen was called god of shinobis, Hashirama was called a fairy tail, Minato was called whatever, the strongest of all Hokages. Youre right, we don't know all of Hiruzens Jutsus but same goes for the most other Shinobis.

I already explained that to call him a fairy tail, it would never be someone from konoha....

and exactly.. if we don't know their abilities WE HAVE to go by hype. how else would you compare incomplete characters? you go by manga and kishi's word..

for eg, white fang vs ten ten....
all white fang has is about 3 sets of hype, from random ninjas, minato and i believe chiyo...

would you say ten ten wins? is that logical?

 

[Kyuubikiller]

What you fail to realize is that all the quotations stated in the data book are not words coming from kishi's mouth, but are coming from biased characters. Every character has a bias, so you can't take what they say literally. Hashirama will always be the strongest Hokage until Naruto takes on the roll.

 

[Raito]

And if we go by hype, fair tail > god of shinobis. How strong Hashirama was when people even considered him a fairy tail? The old manga was just going by the reputation of the current kage, the 3nd Hokage. The true power of the 1st was revealed far later.

 

[Sageofthepath]

What you fail to realize is that all the quotations stated in the data book are not words coming from kishi's mouth, but are coming from biased characters.

nice one:scorps:

 

[Raito]

I already explained that to call him a fairy tail, it would never be someone from konoha....

and exactly.. if we don't know their abilities WE HAVE to go by hype. how else would you compare incomplete characters? you go by manga and kishi's word..

for eg, white fang vs ten ten....
all white fang has is about 3 sets of hype, from random ninjas, minato and i believe chiyo...

would you say ten ten wins? is that logical?

Th techniques Madara has shown were already enough to say Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen by his shown techniques.

 

[Ryuu..]

What you fail to realize is that all the quotations stated in the data book are not words coming from kishi's mouth, but are coming from biased characters. Every character has a bias, so you can't take what they say literally. Hashirama will always be the strongest Hokage until Naruto takes on the roll.

And that's why Kishi chose not to address this in both the second and third databooks?

 

[Owarij]

What you fail to realize is that all the quotations stated in the data book are not words coming from kishi's mouth, but are coming from biased characters. Every character has a bias, so you can't take what they say literally. Hashirama will always be the strongest Hokage until Naruto takes on the roll.

biased characters? the databook said he was reknown as the strongest hokage.. as well as more things

which means he was famous for being the strongest hokage

is the entire village biased only for hiruzen? yea..

Th techniques Madara has shown were already enough to say Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen by his shown techniques.

you don't know hiruzen's techniques!! you know like 4 .. FOUR , of his THOUSANDS... understand that... understand that well..

 

[silmarill]

Th techniques Madara has shown were already enough to say Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen by his shown techniques.

I agree with everything u said
Manga changes , kishi changing his mind , things get fkd up and are not very logic, thas the way it is

 

[cmilius]

Iruka said that the third hiruzen was the strongest of all not the strongest hokage of all time meaning between the five kage.
fire, water, earth, lighting, wind. not all time so as hashirama but i believe hashirama is and was the strongest of them all. although i am a fan of minato but the truth is the truth and minato might be second due to tobi who can't be touch gave him respect of saying you are worthy of being hokage.

 

[Raito]

you don't know hiruzen's techniques!! you know like 4 .. FOUR , of his THOUSANDS... understand that... understand that well..

Oh dear, let's compare the hype of both. Hashirama was called fairy tail, where anybody agreed with the fact that nobody could ever reach his level. He was a legend, his healing techniques were far above Tsunades level, he was even able to heal his wounds with out handseals. ANYBODY want to have a part of his strength, Tobi, Madara, Orochimaru, Danzo and others. His reputation was connected with true strength.

And what is to say about Hiruzen? A bastard, who was called "god of shinobi" in the old manga by unsuspecting people. In the time where wasn't even the talk about the 1st Hokage and his true strength.

Whether we go by reputation or strength, Hashirama is stronger.

 

[FloriGlori]

Whilst I agree that we can't say it for sure, because we know knothing about Hiruzen's prime and merely saw a rather disappointing perfomance of an aged one, I don't think that he was the strongest Hokage. Even if he could perfom anything he showed so far ten times better in his prime, that still doesn't make him the strongest Hokage. It's most unlikely that he possessed a Kekkei Genkai which he just decided to hide during the fight against Orochimaru, and just because Enma is based on a japanese story/legend of the monkey king (which is a pretty good discovery) it doesn't mean that Enma can/could do anything that monkey king could.

Hiruzen was considered the god of Shinobi because people actually believed in his abilities. Unlike Hashirama, whose strength must've been so immense that people considered it a fairy tail - thus not believing it was actually real/true.

Nevertheless, the proof extracted from both manga and data-book is actually valid, even though not a 100%. As far as I know, even in the data-books it's said that 'he was praised/called the god of Shinobi', not that he actually IS the god of Shinobi. Even in the data-books, it's still a hype, not a fact. And a hype is only true until it's proven wrong: even if it was stated in the data-books. The best example would be Tobi: In Sha no Sho, the latest data-book, it was said more than once that he IS Madara. On Madara's page there even is a picture of Tobi. But as we all know, this turned out to be a lie. It was what Kishimoto wanted us to believe at that moment. That doesn't completely disprove what was said in previous data-books, and doesn't completely mean that Ksihi only wanted us to believe that Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage back then, but it shows, that we have to be careful with content, even if it's provided in a data-book.

 

[Owarij]

Oh dear, let's compare the hype of both. Hashirama was called fairy tail, where anybody agreed with the fact that nobody could ever reach his level. He was a legend, his healing techniques were far above Tsunades level, he was even able to heal his wounds with out handseals. ANYBODY want to have a part of his strength, Tobi, Madara, Orochimaru, Danzo and others. His reputation was connected with true strength.

And what is to say about Hiruzen? A bastard, who was called "god of shinobi" in the old manga by unsuspecting people. In the time where wasn't even the talk about the 1st Hokage and his true strength.

Whether we go by reputation or strength, Hashirama is stronger.

lmao read your own scan

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who else were the people who were around fairytail strength excluding madara

hiruzen shares a title with the so6p that alone should end this..