Analysis: Who the manga says is the strongest Hokage...

[Owarij]

"he was called the strongest Hokage".

Y

You think a statement would go down if one person called him that?

It said he was renown.. as the the strongest hokage
meaning he was FAMOUS for being the strongest hokage..

That in no way is only iruka.. that is the entire leaf village... a man can't be famous for something by one person.... there are elders in the village who possibly lived to see all the hokages thus far... once again total assumption

He is such a genius ninja that he was even called the 'Professor', and he still garners everyone's respect as the strongest Hokage in history."

Here is the databook input , kishi's words..

see EVERYONE? Everyone isn't only iruka.. thats the entire leaf village thinking that he's the strongest hokage


so you all are disagreeing with kishi
all the ninja of the leaf village


and you haven't even seen him fight..

 

[MadaraHashirama]

LOL what is this? This proves nothing O_O You can't prove Kishi has changed his mind. You can only think this because of your opinion, never fact.

Just like how Hiruzen got alot of screentime in Part 1, now in Part 2, that Kishi has even planned until the end of Naruto and know everything exactly how everything is going to be and knows that there won't be new powers and such things, Hashirama is getting his screentime, Kabuto, the same guy who was talking about Hiruzen 8 years ago is talking about how "No one in this era can compare to Hashirama's strength." Depending what Kabuto exactly meant by "this era".

"An era is a commonly used word for long period of time."

But I've said before I don't wanna stick onto this thread now, Ryuu for now I can't say anything more then this, but I'll return when we get a flashback of Hashirama and more information about him, this time, at the end of the Manga where Kishi confirmed everything, how every chapter will go.

OH BTW DOES ANYONE KNOW OF YOU GUYS WHEN DATABOOK 4 WILL COME OUT?

 

[Prince Charles]

don't waste your time, people will still deny kishi's words, and claim he changed his mind.. like they sat down , drank tea and talked about naruto with him...

if kishi wanted to change his mind, he would have udpated or changed databook 3 with the relevant info , he didn't , ofc he ddn't , he never changed his mind.. you think he changed his mind

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And this is the scan of kabuto, the very same kabuto that gave hashirama all that hype - saying that it was widely known that hiruzen was the strongest kage ...

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of the 5 kages not '' of the 5 hokages''.

 

[Bijuu13]

Viz translated that to - "A noble shinobi indeed, a finer man never lived.."
that statement was ret-coned , he never said he was unsurpassible

Once again,

If i say Gai is the only person that can beat kisame, does that mean kakashi can't beat gai? no... even if hiruzen cant beat madara, that doesn't mean he can't beat hashirama... Madara and hashi were simply rivals who knew each other moves , fought hundreds of times, made counters for each other... Hiruzen never fought madara....
BUT he was thought by hashirama, would know all his moves, and how to counter them.. two entirely different fights.. don't take dans words out of context...

you have plenty of manga statements .. but can you name one move or jutsu that would change the tide of the battle in hiruzens favor ?
i have nothing against old man hiruzen, but i hate seeing him get credit for things he has yet to accomplish or reveal

 

[slashestranged]

And who made Iruka say that? -__-

thats just how the author wants to portray iruka. zabuza said he was gonna kill kakashi. kishi made zabuza say that. that doesnt mean zabuza rly killed kakashi.

also the purpose of telling that to konohas kids couldve been so that they have faith in their current leader no matter who it is

 

[Nadruto]

Let me just say that its Kishimoto himself that has given Hiruzen the reputation he has, through statements in the manga. And you can't claim that the creator of the Narutoverse is wrong, his word is law, he is god in that world. When Kishimoto says "he is this", no-one can say anything against it. There are very few characters in the whole manga that have been given a reputation even close to Hiruzens, by Kishimoto..[/FONT][/CENTER]

I see you "stole" these words from one of my posts elsewhere on the forums. But that doesen't matter, I still say this is a very nicely written post with a lot of facts and undoubtable proof in it. I completely agree, and have said so many times in different posts. Hiruzen is the strongest of all the hokage. + Rep

 

[Owarij]

you have plenty of manga statements .. but can you name one move or jutsu that would change the tide of the battle in hiruzens favor ?
i have nothing against old man hiruzen, but i hate seeing him get credit for things he has yet to accomplish or reveal

we have seen like 3 of his jutsu , but its been said multiple times that he's has over 1000 jutus

a master of genjutsu, having over 1000 genjutsu's etc

we don't know what he has, but according to kishi.. according to kabuto.. according to the leaf village he was extremely strong... better than the previous hokage... and tobirama found him strong enough to make him hokage while he was still a teen

 

[Bijuu13]

we have seen like 3 of his jutsu , but its been said multiple times that he's has over 1000 jutus

a master of genjutsu, having over 1000 genjutsu's etc

we don't know what he has, but according to kishi.. according to kabuto.. according to the leaf village he was extremely strong... better than the previous hokage... and tobirama found him strong enough to make him hokage while he was still a teen

^ and this is why i cant consider him the strongest .. we only have words to go by, not action . things would be a lot different if kishi showed his potential, but until then i cant agree . thats jus me

 

[TrollingSage]

Y

You think a statement would go down if one person called him that?

It said he was renown.. as the the strongest hokage
meaning he was FAMOUS for being the strongest hokage..

That in no way is only iruka.. that is the entire leaf village... a man can't be famous for something by one person.... there are elders in the village who possibly lived to see all the hokages thus far... once again total assumption



Here is the databook input , kishi's words..

see EVERYONE? Everyone isn't only iruka.. thats the entire leaf village thinking that he's the strongest hokage


so you all are disagreeing with kishi
all the ninja of the leaf village


and you haven't even seen him fight..

And Hashirama's power was also considered a fairytale. Fairytales a awesome delightful stories we tell to our children aren't they. And they're also completely fictional, make belief. Hashirama was considered a fairy tale.
Kabuto even states:" I will make the fairy into reality".

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Conclusion people regarded Hashirama as a fairy tale and believed Hiruzen to be strongest Kage.

 

[Nadruto]

Wow, I didn't expected to see such a fail from you Ryuu.. Seriously what the heck ? Kishi called not one and not two shinobies the strongest ones.. Also Kishi changes the titles every chapter, so.. Hiruzen was called the strongest Hokage when there weren't any Senju abilities or Uchiha. He was strongest in part 1, now he's not even in top 5 of kages.

When there weren't any senju abilities or Uchiha?? It's stated he is the strongest hokage, that means including all his predecessors, in other words Hashirama Senju aswell.

Hashirama, was, will be and is the strongest Hokage, that was clearly said and proven not one time, Hiruzen would get raped by Hashirama Senju, same goes with Madara and Kurama.

It hasn't been stated a single time that Hashirama was the strongest hokage.

You are full of shit.

 

[Owarij]

its funny..

when the council members in sunugakure says " the third kazekage was by far the strongest kazekage sunagakure has ever had, to think that such a man would dissapear without a trace"

everyone ate that up, and with no doubt questioned his strength

when someone and databooks say hiruzen was the strongest hokage,
"utter bullshit, iruka doesn't know what he's talking about, kishi changed his mine, kabuto is a retard , "

And Hashirama's power was also considered a fairytale. Fairytales a awesome delightful stories we tell to our children aren't they. And they're also completely fictional, make belief. Hashirama was considered a fairy tale.
Kabuto even states:" I will make the fairy into reality".

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Conclusion people regarded Hashirama as a fairy tale and believed Hiruzen to be strongest Kage.

lets not change kabuto's words..

kabuto never said people considered hashirama's strength a fairytail...
he said people who heard of him considered HIM a fairy tail


ask yourself how does one consider a person a fairy tail? to completely call someones existence a fairy tail, and to be hearing of hashirama for the first time, you cannot be from Konoha.. everyone from konoha knows he existed..everyone from konoha knows about his moukouton.. damn even yamato has moukouton..

 

[MadaraHashirama]

we have seen like 3 of his jutsu , but its been said multiple times that he's has over 1000 jutus

a master of genjutsu, having over 1000 genjutsu's etc

we don't know what he has, but according to kishi.. according to kabuto.. according to the leaf village he was extremely strong... better than the previous hokage... and tobirama found him strong enough to make him hokage while he was still a teen

Senju Ichizoku
The clan with a thousand skills

I don't see what you are trying to prove here but whatever, I just can't help myself for some reason I have the need to just say something back to people like you.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Viz translated that to - "A noble shinobi indeed, a finer man never lived.."
that statement was ret-coned , he never said he was unsurpassible

Once again,

If i say Gai is the only person that can beat kisame, does that mean kakashi can't beat gai? no... even if hiruzen cant beat madara, that doesn't mean he can't beat hashirama... Madara and hashi were simply rivals who knew each other moves , fought hundreds of times, made counters for each other... Hiruzen never fought madara....
BUT he was thought by hashirama, would know all his moves, and how to counter them.. two entirely different fights.. don't take dans words out of context...

Actually if you say Guy is the only person that can beat Kisame, it means that in all the ninja you know Guy is the only person that can beat Kisame, for example I say SO6P is the only person that can beat Edo Madara, can Konohamaru do it? I'll look into that A's statement.
Another mind numbing hype-Minato said there is no greater ninja than Jiraiya.
BTW I think Hiruzen can beat Hashi. Why?
Enma can slice wood and flowers
Hiruzen can navigate in genjutsu of Darkness by smell
Hiruzen can use shadow clones to fight many wood clones at once and Enma also know Kage Bushin.
Hiruzen as probably the most vast ninja to ever live will know barrier techs that can restrict wood like Sound Four's barrier did.

 

[Nadruto]

Things have changed. In the start of Naruto, Kishi decided that Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage, but as the time passed by and Hashirama became a big part of the series, he changed his mind and not only made Hashirama the strongest Kage, but made his power compareable to SO6P's. That's how I see it.

Wow this is BS. Seriously, Kishimoto changed his mind? Haha, wow, you claim that the author changed his mind!? Until Kishimoto states anything remotely close to that himself, I will just have to facepalm your entire post.

 

[Sageofthepath]

When there weren't any senju abilities or Uchiha?? It's stated he is the strongest hokage, that means including all his predecessors, in other words Hashirama Senju aswell.



It hasn't been stated a single time that Hashirama was the strongest hokage.

You are full of shit.

lol

so much hate

funny how poeple try to find the truth
while there's any

 

[Bijuu13]

Actually if you say Guy is the only person that can beat Kisame, it means that in all the ninja you know Guy is the only person that can beat Kisame, for example I say SO6P is the only person that can beat Edo Madara, can Konohamaru do it? I'll look into that A's statement.
Another mind numbing hype-Minato said there is no greater ninja than Jiraiya.
BTW I think Hiruzen can beat Hashi. Why?
Enma can slice wood and flowers
Hiruzen can navigate in genjutsu of Darkness by smell
Hiruzen can use shadow clones to fight many wood clones at once and Enma also know Kage Bushin.
Hiruzen as probably the most vast ninja to ever live will know barrier techs that can restrict wood like Sound Four's barrier did.

See wen you put it like this it actually has meaning and back up now instead of jus a simple statement . rep for the guy who knows how to handle this agrument instead of being hateful or arrogent

 

[Nadruto]

ryuu is my boy but i somewhat agree with this dan only mentioned hashirama. if hiruzen is indeed the strongest of the hokage's then he should of said hiruzen

Maybe because of his abilities? Hashirama is strong, and has his unique abilities that are suited prefectly for fighting Madara. And maybe also because of his experience in fightinh Madara? It doesen't mean Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen, it just means he is better suited to fight against Madara.

 

[besteawuz]

what characters say has been proven wrong multiple times you hick, chill out. 3rd is definitley not stronger than madara or hashirama or the 4th.

 

[Sageofthepath]

what characters say has been proven wrong multiple times.

hmmm... isn't that interesting

 

[Blaze Release]

At least we have got hashriama fans on one side vs hiruzen fans on the other side becasue lets face it its between these two and no one else