Analysis: Who the manga says is the strongest Hokage...

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Seriously, are you guys stupid or just trolling?

they are not trolling fact is hiruzen is not that great and he does not have counters to most technique's.

 

[Memoria]

I don't know why most of you people are mad, he stated manga facts, and all you have is opinions, Manga facts > Opinions, if you disagree with the manga then no need to argue.

+Rep for the effort.
Edt: Tried to +rep but couldn't, must spread reps..

 

[The Riddlerr]

literally what it means.

As if what we learn in history class was the absolute truth.

Kishi is playing really well his cards.

So you're trying to dispute the Databooks...?

Wow.. I'm just gonna stop now, especially if you can't grasp the significance of the Databooks themselves.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

Why are you continuing to use the Old man Hiruzen as if that was his prime? You and those other two fools have absolutely 0 intelligence.

You really are annoying aren't you? Just for the fact I don't wanna waste any time on the likes of you means I don't have intelligence?
If you had intelligence you'd know that something stated 8 years ago back when TONS of people, abilities, eyes weren't introduced yet, at the beginning of the manga is alot different now. Neither can you prove that in Part 2 Hiruzen is still stated the strongest.
We haven't seen Hiruzen in his prime indeed but neither have we seen Hashirama and Tobirama because lately IN PART 2 they're getting their hype and now we're starting to know more about them, either Hiruzen is so useless that Kishi doesn't even wanna bother showing his prime, or perhaps you are right and Kishi will show his prime and this time CONFIRM that he still deserve that title as the strongest Hokage.
I think it's better for you to leave this forum indeed, because threads like these are causing alot of flame wars and I know this forum is f*cked up compared to others, but that doesn't mean you have to go and make it worse. Until we haven't seen these 3 guys in their prime it's better to STFU otherwise it will cause a flamewar.
You're acting ignorant and immature aswell, you just don't want to accept the fact that something said 8 years ago doesn't mean it still counts after tons of new abilities and guys have been introduced into the Anime.

@ReeceP , first you are saying to that other guy that he's disputing the Databooks while YOU YOURSELF said that Hiruzen said that Tobirama and Hashirama were at full power, THAT WAS IN THE ANIME. HIRUZEN NEVER SAID THAT IN THE MANGA.

 

[slashestranged]

i could see kakashi or guy beating hiruzen

 

[TouchMyMangos]

they are not trolling fact is hiruzen is not that great and he does not have counters to most technique's.

Yes but that is an incredibly stupid thing to say when you have not seen Hiruzen in his prime or the 1000's of techniques he knew. Jesus. there are some imbeciles on here.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

WOAH! Wait a second, I think you all seem to be forgetting that when Kurama attacked the Village and was preparing it's TBB - Hiruzen commented and said something like ".. Here comes another one!" this in itself implies that the Kyuubi already launched 1 TBB at the village, but as we know, the Village itself wasn't damaged meaning Hiruzen and the other villagers had taken care of it.

Everyone here is comparing the old Hiruzen to Part 2 but you all fail to realize that he never received the power ups that everyone else has now received. Hashirama and Tobirama in that part 1 fight WERE at full power, Hiruzen even said it himself, but because they suddenly get a power up, they're supposedly so much stronger ?


Hashirama was only ever said to be the strongest of his era and Kabuto only recently said his power was said to be a fairy tale like Rikudo's...

If this is true, why is Hiruzen the ONLY person to EVER share Rikudo's very nickname? Wouldn't it make sense for the STRONGEST Shinobi to receive the nickname of 'God'...? So why didn't Hashirama get it?

he was probably talking about how minato deflected one nad for your info hiruzen hadn o counter and would have dies for sure if minato and gamabunta did not come. and dont ever compare so6p to hiruzen.

 

[MrLukyso]

WOAH! Wait a second, I think you all seem to be forgetting that when Kurama attacked the Village and was preparing it's TBB - Hiruzen commented and said something like ".. Here comes another one!" this in itself implies that the Kyuubi already launched 1 TBB at the village, but as we know, the Village itself wasn't damaged meaning Hiruzen and the other villagers had taken care of it.

Everyone here is comparing the old Hiruzen to Part 2 but you all fail to realize that he never received the power ups that everyone else has now received. Hashirama and Tobirama in that part 1 fight WERE at full power, Hiruzen even said it himself, but because they suddenly get a power up, they're supposedly so much stronger ?


Hashirama was only ever said to be the strongest of his era and Kabuto only recently said his power was said to be a fairy tale like Rikudo's...

If this is true, why is Hiruzen the ONLY person to EVER share Rikudo's very nickname? Wouldn't it make sense for the STRONGEST Shinobi to receive the nickname of 'God'...? So why didn't Hashirama get it?

The first TBB was teleported by Minato.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Yes but that is an incredibly stupid thing to say when you have not seen Hiruzen in his prime or the 1000's of techniques he knew. Jesus. there are some imbeciles on here.

what difference when he confronted oro about the experiments in the basement with the anbu that was the closest we sw him in his prime and he was pitiful he had 2 anbu and enma with him and they got knocked out while he just stood there and let oro run.

 

[ajpn920]

Kishi did not call anyone the strongest but many characters said that Minato is the strongest so i'll stick with that. Honestly, it depends on our point of view...

 

[TouchMyMangos]

I don't know why most of you people are mad, he stated manga facts, and all you have is opinions, Manga facts > Opinions, if you disagree with the manga then no need to argue.

+Rep for the effort.
Edt: Tried to +rep but couldn't, must spread reps..

I agree with this. I'm seeing 3 or 4 absolute pricks spout nothing but their opinion, when the OP listed manga facts.

 

[The Riddlerr]

he was probably talking about how minato deflected one nad for your info hiruzen hadn o counter and would have dies for sure if minato and gamabunta did not come. and dont ever compare so6p to hiruzen.

No. Minato didn't use his seal until AFTER that, when they all look up and say "It's a Space/Time Barrier... Minato!"


And how am I comparing them you dumbass..? I said Hiruzen is the only man to ever share his nickname... Do you really think someone named 'God of Shinobi' and a person who survived 3 World Wars, got that title by sitting behind a desk...?

Even Orochimaru praised his abilities when he was at the humble age of 69-70.

 

[Sageofthepath]

So you're trying to dispute the Databooks...?

Wow.. I'm just gonna stop now, especially if you can't grasp the significance of the Databooks themselves.

as i said it's not within your reach

 

[Tazzilla88]

Are you an idiot ? The first TBB was teleported by Minato.

Pure speculation. The truth is you don't know if Hiruzen could counter a TBB

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

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he had 2 anbu and enma and he still got raped.

 

[zombiejesus]

Okay read majority of it and its something ive heard over and over again. Ill agree that the manga and somewhat the databook has made it clear that hiruzen was the strongest hokage. The reason why people doubt this is because majority is hype, if you add the fact that we have gotten stupid hype on hashirama it makes people wonder. Imo hashirama's hype and feats outweighs hiruzen's.

Now i believe hashirama was the strongest, followed by hiruzen. Its definitely between those two. Tobirama and minato are NOT in contention for either 1st or 2nd place, but rather 3rd and 4th respectively

yea and if itachi would have stayed he would be hokage now imo or still maybe dead because he was sick lol but if healthy and a part of the leaf he would have been the lead for hokage imo then again he would have fought orochimaru and the first and second and the story would be way wya different but you know what i am sayoing

 

[TouchMyMangos]

what difference when he confronted oro about the experiments in the basement with the anbu that was the closest we sw him in his prime and he was pitiful he had 2 anbu and enma with him and they got knocked out while he just stood there and let oro run.

You keep talking this rubbish. You showed us some nonsense, that was not prime Hiruzen. Kishi showed through characters that his prime was the strongest hokage. Unless your somehow think Oro > Hashirama? It really is a terrible, terrible argument you are putting forward. OP was right, better not waste time with you.

 

[slashestranged]

Yes but that is an incredibly stupid thing to say when you have not seen Hiruzen in his prime or the 1000's of techniques he knew. Jesus. there are some imbeciles on here.

what you dont seem to understand is that your prime does not deteriorate THAT much. if thats all he was capable of at age 69, then at whatever age he wasnt very good either. orochimaru wasnt at his prime. he was using a girl

jiraiya is past his prime but could still take down a few paths of pain.

tsunade is past her prime too but shes still proving to be somewhat strong.

if he couldnt do shit past his prime he most likely couldnt do shit in his prime

 

[natssuu]

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he had 2 anbu and enma and he still got raped.

That's because Hiruzen couldn't fight against his student. Hiruzen really liked Orochimaru.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

No. Minato didn't use his seal until AFTER that, when they all look up and say "It's a Space/Time Barrier... Minato!"


And how am I comparing them you dumbass..? I said Hiruzen is the only man to ever share his nickname... Do you really think someone named 'God of Shinobi' and a person who survived 3 World Wars, got that title by sitting behind a desk...?

Even Orochimaru praised his abilities when he was at the humble age of 69-70.

no he probably winessed minato do it so when it happened again he was like oh shit not again cuz he knew he could not counter it. and his title means nothing when he cant live up to it.