Analysis: Who the manga says is the strongest Hokage...

[MadaraHashirama]

This is why this is f*cking why i'm almost done with this site. I showed EVERYTHING the manga said about Hiruzen. NONE was my opinion. EVERYTHING you said was opinion. YOU think Hiruzen is the worst this that la la la. I showed exactly what the manga said about Hiruzen. Read the whole thread or GTFO.

Do I really need to waste my time on a troll who doesn't believe anything, I can get manga facts aswell where everything I said is stated, it's true that Tobirama created Edo Tensei, it's true Hashirama founded Konoha and ended wars and it's also true he fought against Madara.
Stop this bullshit because all you're doing is causing a flame war again, I was saying my opinion on Hiruzen and apparently I was right, because Hiruzen didn't, and couldn't do shit against Kyuubi because the first thing he was thinking about was Minato.
Hiruzen has NEVER done something useful in the manga and that is a fact aswell, if hes done something really useful then why don't you show me manga proof.
Why do you think my last sentence was my opinion? I was saying my opinion AFTER I've proven why.
How pathethic.

 

[AlexXx]

dont care about them because all are death.

 

[MrLukyso]

Ryuu stop trying and live up with it that you made a fail thread.. Hiruzen in his Prime was strong in Part 1 Naruto, almost 9 years go. So get a life

 

[Ryuu..]

i read it and it changes nothing onoki,gaara,A,muu,third raikage,third kazekage,second mizukage, ems madara, itachi would all def mop the floor with him i don't even want to list the others

All i'm seeing is opinion. Give me one fact. One. Fact is, guys like you are the reason this base is dying.

 

[Tazzilla88]

i disagree with your posts too much flaws.

kabuto even said hes power was like a fairy tail to the so6p
hashirama is tsunade with mukuton? please...

yamato cant control and use it effectively like hashirama obviously because its too much for him.

Name ways Hashirama is different then Tsunade. Besides the obvious male-female difference. Name three. Name one non-mokuton trait that Tsunade doesn't have. You can't do it.
The giant squid was for a long time thought to be a fairy tale (it was known as a Krakken. However, despite the fact that it exists, its not the what legends hyped it up to be.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

All i'm seeing is opinion. Give me one fact. One. Fact is, guys like you are the reason this base is dying.

stfu how about you give me reasons he will beat any of the listed oh wait you cant cuz HE CANT.

 

[slashestranged]

if he couldnt even beat orochimaru, then no way he can stand up to someone like itachi or even kisame. hiruzen was easily the weakest kage

 

[Ryuu..]

Do I really need to waste my time on a troll who doesn't believe anything, I can get manga facts aswell where everything I said is stated, it's true that Tobirama created Edo Tensei, it's true Hashirama founded Konoha and ended wars and it's also true he fought against Madara.
Stop this bullshit because all you're doing is causing a flame war again, I was saying my opinion on Hiruzen and apparently I was right, because Hiruzen didn't, and couldn't do shit against Kyuubi because the first thing he was thinking about was Minato.
Hiruzen has NEVER done something useful in the manga and that is a fact aswell, if hes done something really useful then why don't you show me manga proof.
Why do you think my last sentence was my opinion? I was saying my opinion AFTER I've proven why.
How pathethic.

Poor. This is piss poor. Why are you mentioning Old man Hiruzen when referring to Kyuubi? You are essentially saying kishi is wrong. You have not seen Prime Hiruzen. Kishi has told you about him through the manga but you continue to shit on what Kishi has said. I really am done with you.

 

[Ryuu..]

if he couldnt even beat orochimaru, then no way he can stand up to someone like itachi or even kisame. hiruzen was easily the weakest kage

Why are you continuing to use the Old man Hiruzen as if that was his prime? You and those other two fools have absolutely 0 intelligence.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

if he couldnt even beat orochimaru, then no way he can stand up to someone like itachi or even kisame. hiruzen was easily the weakest kage

most of what you said is true but oro>kisame

 

[MrLukyso]

MadaraHashirama totally agreed with you. Hiruzen can't get counters no matter of his age to techniques like Susanoo, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Izanagi, Mokuton + Regeneration and else.. What he could do against Kurama seriously ? He was crying for Minato and yes Minato at his age of 20 was strongest in the Leaf. Since Hiruzen at 20 left Tobirama to die. Hiruzen in his very young age was nothing and in his very old age was nothing, maybe in the middle age he was something but really not something big.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Why are you continuing to use the Old man Hiruzen as if that was his prime? You and those other two fools have absolutely 0 intelligence.

fail with 0 intelligence you cant even type these comments.

 

[The Riddlerr]

i'm not expecting my comment to be within your reach.

And what exactly are you implying with this?

 

[slashestranged]

Why are you continuing to use the Old man Hiruzen as if that was his prime? You and those other two fools have absolutely 0 intelligence.

because in the grand scheme of things orochimaru is not a very strong character. but hiruzen still didnt stand a chance. prime itachi shadow clone could beat prime hiruzen. probably even a sick, blind, itachi could beat hiruzen

being old doesnt make u that much worse. how can growing old change u from strongest hokage to garbage?

 

[Ryuu..]

MadaraHashirama totally agreed with you. Hiruzen can't get counters no matter of his age to techniques like Susanoo, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Izanagi, Mokuton + Regeneration and else.. What he could do against Kurama seriously ? He was crying for Minato and yes Minato at his age of 20 was strongest in the Leaf. Since Hiruzen at 20 left Tobirama to die. Hiruzen in his very young age was nothing and in his very old age was nothing, maybe in the middle age he was something but really not something big.

What Kishi has said in the manga > Everything you just said. Hiruzen Prime strongest Hokage. Seriously i'm 100% done with you and your nonsense.

 

[slashestranged]

most of what you said is true but oro>kisame

idk about oro> kisame in a 1v1 but kisame>hiruzen easily

 

[TouchMyMangos]

I 100% agree, good job. And I have to say, I have seen possibly the dumbest posts of all time in this thread, absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Sageofthepath]

And what exactly are you implying with this?

literally what it means.

As if what we learn in history class was the absolute truth.

Kishi is playing really well his cards.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

In Part 1 everything was different, Uchiha's weren't so OP'd and stuff, but it seems that still some people overlook that, because if in Part 1 someone said Byakugan is the strongest Doujutsu and in Part 2 we get introduced into Mangekyou Sharingan, Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Rinnegan, does that fact still remain?
While Hashirama ended the whole ****ing war, he founded Konoha, he tamed Bijuu's like pets and he fought the Strongest Uchiha ATLEAST on equal term (he could've been stronger high likely)
Tobirama is a genius and he's the one who created Edo Tensei, Orochimaru just stole it and completed it, without Tobirama Madara wouldn't be walking around right now so strong and neither would this war be so intense.
What did Hiruzen do in Part 2? He wasn't even mentioned ONCE, NEVER again was he mentioned as the strongest or whatever, the only thing he's done is watching the Kyuubi with fear while waiting on Minato, a very young person who had to sacrefice his life, Hiruzen is a cocky old shit.
Minato has done everything, fought Tobi, removed Kyuubi from Tobi's control, teleport Kyuubi's Bijuu Bomb away, sealed Kyuubi.
In my eyes Hiruzen is the most useless and pathethic Kage I've ever seen, even Tsunade is more useful then him.

MadaraHashirama totally agreed with you. Hiruzen can't get counters no matter of his age to techniques like Susanoo, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Izanagi, Mokuton + Regeneration and else.. What he could do against Kurama seriously ? He was crying for Minato and yes Minato at his age of 20 was strongest in the Leaf. Since Hiruzen at 20 left Tobirama to die. Hiruzen in his very young age was nothing and in his very old age was nothing, maybe in the middle age he was something but really not something big.

Seriously, are you guys stupid or just trolling?

 

[The Riddlerr]

WOAH! Wait a second, I think you all seem to be forgetting that when Kurama attacked the Village and was preparing it's TBB - Hiruzen commented and said something like ".. Here comes another one!" this in itself implies that the Kyuubi already launched 1 TBB at the village, but as we know, the Village itself wasn't damaged meaning Hiruzen and the other villagers had taken care of it.

Everyone here is comparing the old Hiruzen to Part 2 but you all fail to realize that he never received the power ups that everyone else has now received. Hashirama and Tobirama in that part 1 fight WERE at full power, Hiruzen even said it himself, but because they suddenly get a power up, they're supposedly so much stronger ?


Hashirama was only ever said to be the strongest of his era and Kabuto only recently said his power was said to be a fairy tale like Rikudo's...

If this is true, why is Hiruzen the ONLY person to EVER share Rikudo's very nickname? Wouldn't it make sense for the STRONGEST Shinobi to receive the nickname of 'God'...? So why didn't Hashirama get it?