Analysis - Naruto vs Sasuke - So Far

[Shinato]

This is more of my analysis of the fight so far, though I'll try my best to stay objective. If you disagree with me, then so be it and you are free to voice your opinion. However, only if its in a polite and calm manner! Sasuke's Resolve Every since they started on Team 7 with each other, Sasuke has valued Naruto as a worthy rival and a comrade to some degree. This is one of the things that have never once changed about Sasuke's character and I doubt it ever will. During the Chunin exams, Sasuke said himself that one of the people he wanted to fight the most was Naruto and he proved this later. He wanted to fight Naruto to test his own abilities and to fight someone he valued as strong as himself. (To prove himself the better of the two.) If Naruto isn't fighting Sasuke seriously, then Sasuke has no interest in him and wise versa. This was shown after Sasuke once again met with Naruto after his fight with Danzo. He claimed that he had decided to take Itachi's eyes as he wanted to crush Naruto at his full strength. This is also shown in the last fight between the two. Sasuke was toying around with Naruto in the start, trying to make Naruto go serious on him. When Naruto only responded with the same amount of strength, Sasuke pulled himself to the absolute max that he could. To this, Naruto answered with his absolute max and the clash ended equally. Naruto's Resolve Naruto also shares this trait with Sasuke as he said it himself during his childhood and during the last fight, he wishes to beat Sasuke no matter what, though only if Sasuke isn't like he currently is. Though Naruto cannot allow Sasuke to kill him either as it would place his friends in danger. This is why Naruto at first didn't respond with all his power, but later had to. Naruto wishes to beat Sasuke without killing him, but he cannot afford himself to lose to Sasuke either. The Bijuu's Role Now many have stated that Sasuke proved himself weaker by using the Bijuu, yet Naruto has been relying on them for most of the war. The fact to the matter here is that they are both weak in a sense and both rely on the Bijuu. The Bijuu is the gray here, while Sasuke is black and Naruto is white. (Yin, Yang and the middle.) This is seen as Sasuke is using the chakra of the Bijuu while Naruto is at the same time and they are equally powerful. What this mean is that: Naruto = Sasuke Naruto + Bijuu > Sasuke Sasuke + Bijuu > Naruto Sasuke + Bijuu = Naruto + Bijuu This is because when Sasuke uses this chakra, he steals it and when Naruto uses it he borrows it. Neither of them own the chakra in anyway and neither has more right to it than the other. So Far So far, their attacks have done nothing but cancel each other out. Attack after attack has been canceled, punch after punch have been shared and neither has delivered anything singlehandedly yet. Naruto used clones, to that Sasuke responded with Shuriken summons. For each punch Naruto did, Sasuke did one. This fight is meant to show one thing, and one thing only. They are equals in every manner. Though in the latest chapter, Sasuke was shown with the upper hand as he stole Kurama's chakra that was meant for Naruto. This will most likely end like the rest of the battle have happened, in a change of blows at each other. All in all Both wishes to prove to themselves that they are stronger than the other and both have a deep wish to fight for their own ideals. They are equally matched in every possible way, and they have always been that. For each attack Naruto does, Sasuke does one that is equal to it.

 

[GamakichiTheUsurper]

I have nothing to say... I agree with everything.

Very good thread and analysis.

 

[emsamateras]

First non retard thread i have come across for the past 1wk..
u are one of the rare people with gud brains like me which nb is lacking nowadays..

 

[Flakez]

This is because when Sasuke uses this chakra, he steals it and when Naruto uses it he borrows it. Neither of them own the chakra in anyway and neither has more right to it than the other.*

That's not true.

Naruto earned the Bijuus trust.

If i steal a car, and another person earns it with work, would i have the same rights to this car? No.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

This is because when Sasuke uses this chakra, he steals it and when Naruto uses it he borrows it. Neither of them own the chakra in anyway and neither has more right to it than the other.

Actually since gaining the Bijuu trust especially Kurama's Naruto has the right as given by them to use their chakra and your here trying to be unbiased, I don't think so.

 

[take it easy]

Now many have stated that Sasuke proved himself weaker by using the Bijuu, yet Naruto has been relying on them for most of the war.

But bijuus legit power for Naruto, while eyes legit power for Sasuke.

 

[Shinato]

Actually since gaining the Bijuu trust especially Kurama's Naruto has the right as given by them to use their chakra and your here trying to be unbiased, I don't think so.

Through loss, pain, training and determination Sasuke earned the Rinnegan and its ability to absorb chakra. He is entitled and has the right to use that ability to his liking. In other words, Sasuke has worked and suffered to gain access to the Bijuu's chakra, same goes for Naruto only they have done so in different ways.

 

[Shinato]

That's not true.

Naruto earned the Bijuus trust.

If i steal a car, and another person earns it with work, would i have the same rights to this car? No.

Sasuke has earned his right to achieve Bijuu chakra as well, through what he suffered and worked for in order to obtain the Rinnegan. They have both worked for it, though in different ways and they use/gain that chakra in different manners. Neither of them are more entitled to the chakra than the other, in the same manner as Hagoromo has no more right over the Rinnegan or Juubi than say Madara did.

 

[Hata Hideaki]

What Flakez said is true. Its true that sasuke stole bijuus chakra but naruto didnt borrow the power he earned it. Naruto fairly fought in a 1 on 1 battle with kurama and gained his power. Later on he earned kurama's trust which gave him to access the full power of kurama. Likewise the other bijuu too trusted him and that way he gained their power too.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Through loss, pain, training and determination Sasuke earned the Rinnegan and its ability to absorb chakra. He is entitled and has the right to use that ability to his liking. In other words, Sasuke has worked and suffered to gain access to the Bijuu's chakra, same goes for Naruto only they have done so in different ways.

Sasuke gained the Rinnegan from the S06P chakra and didn't achieve it before their meeting unless you can proof otherwise...

Let me understand this...your comparing Naruto's 17 years with Kurama and his short time with the other 8 tailed beasts compared to Sasuke's moment of putting them under Genjutsu and encasing them in CT to be equivalent and therefore entitles Sasuke as much as Naruto? Let Sasuke live Naruto's life for the most of his younger years and maybe he will be entitled but he isn't because Sasuke isn't the one who lived with them, then grew to understand and later like them and come to want to protect them like any of his friends...

 

[Shinato]

What Flakez said is true. Its true that sasuke stole bijuus chakra but naruto didnt borrow the power he earned it. Naruto fairly fought in a 1 on 1 battle with kurama and gained his power. Later on he earned kurama's trust which gave him to access the full power of kurama. Likewise the other bijuu too trusted him and that way he gained their power too.

Naruto never fought Kurama in a 1 vs 1, when he tried that he lost to Kurama and was saved by Kushina. (In other words, he did not earn the right to use that chakra until later.)

Sasuke gained the Rinnegan from the S06P chakra and didn't achieve it before their meeting unless you can proof otherwise...

Let me understand this...your comparing Naruto's 17 years with Kurama and his short time with the other 8 tailed beasts compared to Sasuke's moment of putting them under Genjutsu and encasing them in CT to be equivalent and therefore entitles Sasuke as much as Naruto? Let Sasuke live Naruto's life for the most of his younger years and maybe he will be entitled but he isn't because Sasuke isn't the one who lived with them, then grew to understand and later like them and come to want to protect them like any of his friends...

Sasuke suffered from a very young age, losing his family, clan, friends and sought power. He trained, became stronger and lost more and as time went by he became the Shinobi he is today. That gives im the exact right to use the Bijuu if his power allows him to do so. As Naruto said, they are both very alike, yet they walked different paths and the roles could easily have been opposite to each other. This is Naruto directly saying that they are completely alike in every aspect but one. (Which is the hatred & will of fire thing.)

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Naruto never fought Kurama in a 1 vs 1, when he tried that he lost to Kurama and was saved by Kushina. (In other words, he did not earn the right to use that chakra until later.)



Sasuke suffered from a very young age, losing his family, clan, friends and sought power. He trained, became stronger and lost more and as time went by he became the Shinobi he is today. That gives im the exact right to use the Bijuu if his power allows him to do so. As Naruto said, they are both very alike, yet they walked different paths and the roles could easily have been opposite to each other. This is Naruto directly saying that they are completely alike in every aspect but one. (Which is the hatred & will of fire thing.)

In Naruto's fight to gain control of Kurama though he had help from his mum and Bee Naruto was the catalyst who pulled the chakra from Kurama and won the Tug of War contest

At least Sasuke had a family in the first place who raised him for the short period of time that they lived and had a brother that trained him and cared for him, Naruto had none of that since after the day his parents died protecting him and the leaf he had very few people the 3rd, Jiraiya and probably others but no family and he suffered alot because being the Jin of Kurama during his early years where Sasuke would be with his family.

 

[FreeTanner17]

Sasuke isn't entitled at all. That's like saying somebody who has become skilled is theft is entitled to stealing somebodies car just as much as the person who paid for it. Your logic kinda sucks right now. Sasuke didn't earn the rinnegan either and he would be blind too if it weren't for itachi's eyes. Naruto on the other hand worked hard for everything he has. Had he have not gained the six paths sage mode from Hagoromo he would still have normal sage mode to rely on. Naruto and Sasuke are equals, but only cause Sasuke stole his strength or was given it. Naruto was given kurama, but that doesn't mean he was given his chakra, that he had to fight for and than gain trust to fully use.

 

[senjusana]

After a long time..a neutral Naruto and Sasuke thread! =D
I totally agree with OP.

 

[Shinato]

In Naruto's fight to gain control of Kurama though he had help from his mum and Bee Naruto was the catalyst who pulled the chakra from Kurama and won the Tug of War contest

At least Sasuke had a family in the first place who raised him for the short period of time that they lived and had a brother that trained him and cared for him, Naruto had none of that since after the day his parents died protecting him and the leaf he had very few people the 3rd, Jiraiya and probably others but no family and he suffered alot because being the Jin of Kurama during his early years where Sasuke would be with his family.

He was helped by Bee with knowledge, he was helped by Yamato to suppress the chakra if need be so Naruto didn't have to worry about that. Kushina bound and held Kurama down and weakened him so that Naruto could steal his chakra. The only thing Naruto really did was pull, while Kushina held Kurama back and down, Bee gave him the info on how to do it. That is everything but alone. (Naruto has been portrayed as the single character that cannot win alone or by himself, that is his character. Tell me a single fight where he won thanks himself alone, excluding any fights that are with "filler" characters. In other words, characters you barely saw once.)

I assume you cannot come up with one. (Naruto even lost to Nagato, twice.)

That being said, that is their characters, nothing to change about that. They both deserve the powers they have attained. Unless you mean that Madara, Obito, Hagoromo, Kaguya or Hamura all didn't deserve the powers they gained. Or unless you mean that no Shinobi deserved the powers they have as they are all stolen from the Shinju.

 

[Hata Hideaki]

your logic is kinda messed up. if naruto used shadow clones to create rasengan/rasenshuriken does that mean he borrowed power from the clones? no right.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

He was helped by Bee with knowledge, he was helped by Yamato to suppress the chakra if need be so Naruto didn't have to worry about that. Kushina bound and held Kurama down and weakened him so that Naruto could steal his chakra. The only thing Naruto really did was pull, while Kushina held Kurama back and down, Bee gave him the info on how to do it. That is everything but alone. (Naruto has been portrayed as the single character that cannot win alone or by himself, that is his character. Tell me a single fight where he won thanks himself alone, excluding any fights that are with "filler" characters. In other words, characters you barely saw once.)

I assume you cannot come up with one. (Naruto even lost to Nagato, twice.)

That being said, that is their characters, nothing to change about that. They both deserve the powers they have attained. Unless you mean that Madara, Obito, Hagoromo, Kaguya or Hamura all didn't deserve the powers they gained. Or unless you mean that no Shinobi deserved the powers they have as they are all stolen from the Shinju.

Madara yes and no, Obito yes and no, Hago yes, kaguya obviously yes and hamura dont know a thing about him but yes.

Naruto vs Deva Path
Rasengan attack, even using his repulsion Naruto was able to both withstand it by summoning many clones and then launching an aerial assault at him in which case the attack hit Deva Path and sent him flying

 

[Shinato]

Madara yes and no, Obito yes and no, Hago yes, kaguya obviously yes and hamura dont know a thing about him but yes.

Naruto vs Deva Path
Rasengan attack, even using his repulsion Naruto was able to both withstand it by summoning many clones and then launching an aerial assault at him in which case the attack hit Deva Path and sent him flying

So Naruto was able to defeat one 7th of Nagato's real power and that made him able to solo someone? Deva Path was heavily injured by Kurama and was greatly reduced in power thanks to Kurama. (Not to mention how much chakra he used against Kurama.) So by all means, no, Naruto wasn't able to solo Deva Path. He was able to defeat a heavily weakened Deva Path that was already a weakened 6th of Pain's original power. (That means Naruto was only able to beat less than a 7th of Nagato's real strength.) Even then he didn't solo him, he relayed on information gathered by Jiraya and given to him by Katsuyu.

How did Kaguya earn her power? By stealing the fruit? How did Hagoromo earn a majority of his power, he stole it from Kaguya. How did Obito obtain it, he stole it from Hagoromo, Madara, Kaguya and the Juubi. Madara stole his power from Hashirama, Hagoromo and Kaguya. (Technically the Juubi as well.) So you are saying that when others character does it, they deserve it, but when Sasuke does the exact same, its different? That makes no sense unless you were blindly hating on him.

 

[Shinato]

your logic is kinda messed up. if naruto used shadow clones to create rasengan/rasenshuriken does that mean he borrowed power from the clones? no right.

The Kage Bushins are extensions of Naruto's chakra, Kurama is not. Kurama and the other Bijuu are separate beings that are able to borrow chakra to someone. (That is why Naruto asks for their permission/help before he uses their chakra. Otherwise, he cannot use stuff like Lava Release.)

 

[Ultimateone]

i agree for the most part, on others not so much. to me naruto's bijuu power should be equated with sasuke's eye power. we can easily say that up until after naruto and sasuke went pass sage mode and MS that they received power from other sources they couldn't get training. so we can say that bijuu power and every dojutsu from EMS to rennigan go hand in hand. though the difference on how they get them are not the same. sasuke didn't earn itachi's eye's per say. while he did fight in, itachi wanted him to beat him as he was dying anyways. naruto, while he had some help from bee and kushina he did most of the work. later he gained kurama's trust through his hard work to gain more power from him. he then had to defeat the bijuu in order to receive their trust and chakra. sasuke got the rennigan from the sage as far as we know. so there was no earning of that power. which is why i put the eye powers and the opposing power scheme than the bijuu. so when sasuyke gained the bijuu he was getting another set of power-up. it would have been equal had naruto gained some kind of dojutsu, but that didn't happen. naruto defeated him with a ability he already possessed, that being gathering more natural energy for sage mode.

so actually what this really showed was that naruto was actually more powerful than sasuke as even with another set of power-up, sasuke was only able to stalemate naruto. had naruto been in the state he was in when fighting madara or kaguya, i could see him coming out on top easily. not to say the fight would be easy for him, just that i feel he would def be out on top in their clashes.