[Analysis] Hashirama vs. EMS Madara [Discussion]

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Hashirama Senju vs. EMS Madara Uchiha

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People seem to compare these two legendary characters often enough to make various conclusions. There is no doubt that those two belonge in top five shinobi of all time and at some points it was not clear who'd have the edge in a fight against each other. Some say Hashirama defeated Madara at the Valley of the End for good and some say Madara just wanted to steal some of First Hokage's DNA which would grant him to use Mokuton (therefore, his intention was not to kill him).

I made this thread after I decided to try to clear some things up. I don't know if I'm going to succeed but I'm still going for this. I wouldn't want people to flame or hate, I just want you to read and post your honest opinion. I hope you'll enjoy.

Note: I'm sorry for grammar mistakes, English language is not my primary!


Hashirama Senju
(Leader of Senju clan, First Hokage, descendant of the younger son)

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Reputed as the most powerful shinobi, even by Madara, Tobi and Kabuto. His might was such that many considered his prowess to be a mere fairy tale just like the existence of the Sage of Six Paths. He possessed the ability of healing himself without forming seals and even Tsunade's medical kinjutsu was claimed not to be close to that of Hashirama's. Even though we haven't seen his taijutsu, it is said he used it with prodigious speed and immense strength. He was also able to use genjutsu, such as his ultimate illusion called Bringer of Darkness. But the ability he is most famous for is Mokuton - a kekkei genkai that is mixture of earth and water release; ability appeared to be exclusively his. Yamato, who obtained that ability through unorthodox means stated that he was no where close to original Mokuton power. Hashirama was able to shape the entire battlefield for his own uses in an instant. His power could also be best described with extraordinary ability to fully control tailed beasts. With all this, he managed to survive and defeat Madara who was helped by Kurama, The Nine-Tails.​

Madara Uchiha​
(Leader of Uchiha clan, descendant of the elder son)

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Most powerful Uchiha shinobi of all times. Capable of summoning and fully controlling the Nine-Tails (if not sealed inside of a Jinchuuriki). Tobi's usage of Madara's name to instigate a world war speaks for itself; his power and skill was on whole another level. Madara's also got a notable physical strength and great sped, being able to easily dodge Gaara's high-speed sand attacks, Mei's close range Lava Release attack, and even guard himself against A's punch while the latter was clad in his Lightning Release Armour without being protected by Susanoo. As an Uchiha, he is the master of Katon, fire release and he also possesses the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. With his EMS he came in possession of three unique techniques: Susanoo, Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, although the last two are yet to be seen. He has recently showed his Complete Susanoo, which power is comparable with that of a tailed beast (able to demolish a large portion of the mountain with a single sword swing). He was said to be killed by Hashirama, but with all his power he managed to survive and steal his DNA, granting himself of using Mokuton.


Discussion:

Please post your honest opinions. Don't flame or hate, I'm looking forward to a good debate!
Thank you for reading, honestly.​
 
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i don't think madara wanted to fight hashi for his mokuton but for the senju dna
i think kabuto gave him the mokuton the same way he did danzo
 

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I believe that if they had a clash of edo madara and hashirama, madara takes the edge beibng able to unlock rinnegan and complete susanoo, he is almighty!!!!!
 

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EMS madara> hashi just had the 7 jinz with no bijuu envoled perfect susanoo > hashi with one thrust of a blade
 

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Analysis? Didn't know that Madara used Suiton and Doton.
 

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:whoa:This battle would be epic. :whoa:
 

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Since Madara is here now(whether it is Tobi or Zetsu) through the Edo Tensei and Hashirama isn't (even with his healing abilities, old age I guess catches up with you as the Manga never fully told us how he died), we will truly never know the answer to that and it will all be speculation. I have posted an opinion on another thread, but it is kind of hard to kill an "undead" person with all the abilities of Madara.

It would have been kind of fun to actually see a fight between Edo Hashirama AND Edo EMS Madara w/ Rinnegan activated WITHOUT the DNA enhanced Mokuton. That would be interesting to see.
 

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I think Hashirama would win only because his wood style is strong. He also has the senju clan strength just like Tsunade
 

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Uhmmm, Please stop saying EMS Madara, because Madara stated that he obtained the Rinnegan shortly before he died... He was even revived with it...
 

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Analysis? Didn't know that Madara used Suiton and Doton.

Narutowiki says so, I needed some info on nature elements so I've taken it from there. Before you say Narutowiki is no good, remember that regular jounin uses up to three nature releases.

Uhmmm, Please stop saying EMS Madara, because Madara stated that he obtained the Rinnegan shortly before he died... He was even revived with it...

Before he died, yes, but in his prime he used EMS.

I think Hashirama would win only because his wood style is strong. He also has the senju clan strength just like Tsunade

That's what I believe in. I'd always say Hashirama just because of the Mokuton.
 
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To make this more of an analysis, I would suggestion you identify Madara’s and Hashirama’s techniques. Subsequently identifying them, move onto the components of them and how you believe which techniques counter or is stronger than ‘said’ other technique. You would conclude a victor after doing so.
 
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Narutowiki says so, I needed some info on nature elements so I've taken it from there. Before you say Narutowiki is no good, remember that regular jounin uses up to three nature releases.



Before he died, yes, but in his prime he used EMS.

He was said to be killed by Hashirama, but with all his power he managed to survive and steal his DNA, granting himself of using Mokuton.

Why include the above if you not going to include everything...
 

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Now you're nitpicking.. But, you've got a point. Sorry 'bout that.

I mean Mokuton is Wood Release... and you have the Wood release symbol for Hashirama...also i'm not really nitpicking, I think Madara with the Rinnegan is better than him with EMS, prime or not and i just want people to stop saying things like; "Edo Madara, EMS Madara" because we don't call Sasuke, EMS Sasuke or itachi, MS Itachi... lol
 

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I mean Mokuton is Wood Release... and you have the Wood release symbol for Hashirama...also i'm not really nitpicking, I think Madara with the Rinnegan is better than him with EMS, prime or not and i just want people to stop saying things like; "Edo Madara, EMS Madara" because we don't call Sasuke, EMS Sasuke or itachi, MS Itachi... lol

Well, let's make one thing clear. If you make a thread "Edo Someone vs. Edo Someone" you are clearly trying to say that they're both summoned by Edo Tensei and therefore they are immortal which means that you can only seal them in order to defeat them. If they were not named Edo's, they wouldn't be immortal. As well as with MS, EMS, and 3T Sharingan. If you say 3T Sasuke vs. 3T Itachi, that means confrontation without Mangekyou's techniques, and otherwise.

EMS and Rinnegan Madara is not the same, that's why I put EMS Madara, what he was in his prime. At this point, there's no sense in comparing Rinnegan Madara to anyone except Naruto and Tobi, because he's too OP for everyone else.
 

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Well, let's make one thing clear. If you make a thread "Edo Someone vs. Edo Someone" you are clearly trying to say that they're both summoned by Edo Tensei and therefore they are immortal which means that you can only seal them in order to defeat them. If they were not named Edo's, they wouldn't be immortal. As well as with MS, EMS, and 3T Sharingan. If you say 3T Sasuke vs. 3T Itachi, that means confrontation without Mangekyou's techniques, and otherwise.

EMS and Rinnegan Madara is not the same, that's why I put EMS Madara, what he was in his prime. At this point, there's no sense in comparing Rinnegan Madara to anyone except Naruto and Tobi, because he's too OP for everyone else.

I understand that; but if your going to use current data, why is the character still outdated?Why not update the character with his/her current abilities?(Not directed specifically towards you)
 

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I understand that; but if your going to use current data, why is the character still outdated?Why not update the character with his/her current abilities?(Not directed specifically towards you)

The only current data I used is pointing out that he was able to dodge some of Kages' attacks, for which I'm sure he was able to do back in Hashi's time.
 

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Madara did not have Motukon in life.

Uhmmm, Please stop saying EMS Madara, because Madara stated that he obtained the Rinnegan shortly before he died... He was even revived with it...

Why does that make it wrong to say EMS Madara, a half dead rinnegan using Madara would be usesless against a Healthy Hashirama.

So pick, Health EMS or truly drained, dying Rinnegan user, with not enough chakra left to to summon a tadpole.
 
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To make this more of an analysis, I would suggestion you identify Madara’s and Hashirama’s techniques. Subsequently identifying them, move onto the components of them and how you believe which techniques counter or is stronger than ‘said’ other technique. You would conclude a victor after doing so.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Why does that make it wrong to say EMS Madara, a half dead rinnegan using Madara would be usesless against a Healthy Hashirama.

So pick, Health EMS or truly drained, dying Rinnegan user, with not enough chakra left to to summon a tadpole.

Truth is, we don't know what was Madara's physical condition when he died. Anyways, Rinnegan is OP.
 

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For gods sake when are you people gonna realize you need to know a persons abilties before you start a vs thread with them! what do u know about hashirama? he used mokuton and controlled the bijuus. you dont even know how well he controlled them or if he merely supressed their power. vs threads are a major delusion anyway
 
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