America is looking at removing the 2nd amednment.

[hghland smeg head]

look just put a round cap on all maganize like they have in canada and several states of 5 rnds rifle; 10 handguns and 3rnds shotguns. as for the 2nd, its was put in so u may protact ur self and faimly not only from corupt gov but anything that is a direct theat to u and ur home. it was a part of some of the problems that helped(small part) start the us civlwar and to counter that from happen again they made it so the us armed force can not be activated for service in the us unless by act of congress that why they have the garud, example: that is why bush did not send in the troops right away after katrina cause congress had to vote on it, he was folowing the law

 

[DietyOfWind]

if you take away guns every other weapon will be so insignifigant that the cops can stop people doing crimes almost instantly with the exception of bombs then again you have to be insanely smart to make those though or you would blow yourself up which i wouldnt be sad about if stupid people did trying to kill others.In the time it takes a guy to kill 26 people with a gun it would take the twice as long with any other weapon excluding guns ,eaning that the longer their committing crims the longer it takes them to kill people the faster they get caught hence the more lives saved per second

 

[7PointOh]

Well we should do what Chris Rock said and sell guns cheap but charge ammo at five thousand dollars per bullet. "I'd shoot you but I gotta pay back my loan!" Just adding some levity here

Of topic: Bravo everyone for having a healthy debate. No name calling, no personal attacks.

 

[DietyOfWind]

the second amendment doesnt even apply any more its a stupid amendment whats stopping the person who invades your house from finding your gun and killing your family with it honestly guns are not computers you cant password protect them and if you try locks are incredibly easy to pick and even if you want to buy a huge azz safe to put it in what do you think a robber will run into you and you say hold on let me open my safe so i can get my gun and shoot you. the whole situation is retarted and could never work in a modern day age and if it did those people got lucky but all i hear about now is people having guns for protection a kid finds it and someone dies same story has repeated for years now finally it got so bad that an entire school was under siege and kids died kids like 5 and 6 year olds that havent even gotten to live yet all cause some idiot gun nut wanted to be safe when the REAL threat was HER OWN SON

 

[7PointOh]

the second amendment doesnt even apply any more its a stupid amendment whats stopping the person who invades your house from finding your gun and killing your family with it honestly guns are not computers you cant password protect them and if you try locks are incredibly easy to pick and even if you want to buy a huge azz safe to put it in what do you think a robber will run into you and you say hold on let me open my safe so i can get my gun and shoot you. the whole situation is retarted and could never work in a modern day age and if it did those people got lucky but all i hear about now is people having guns for protection a kid finds it and someone dies same story has repeated for years now finally it got so bad that an entire school was under siege and kids died kids like 5 and 6 year olds that havent even gotten to live yet all cause some idiot gun nut wanted to be safe when the REAL threat was HER OWN SON

You could always take the firing pin out

 

[hghland smeg head]

they are starting to have dna encode guns now so even if someone gets these new guns anyone else cant shoot them that the way things are going

 

[DietyOfWind]

no no no no guns taking a firing pin out would be even more stupid what you gonna tell the bad guy hold on while i reinsert the firing pins in all my guns at that point the'll just beat you senseless with the gun itself then the'll put the firing pin back in when your down and shoot you and your family if anything carry a stun gun in the house and zip ties so at the very least people wont die as often if the enemy get a hold of it and the stun guns i'm referring to are the ones that shoot projectiles that stick to the body to shock since it could compete with an actual gun for disarment. unless your law enforcement you shouldn't have a gun on you in any public place or house.They were even talking about putting an armed guard in schools possibly but that idea is flawed too since if the guard is there day after day eventually they will develop a routine then its just another easy gun for a teen to get to go on a shooting spree.anytime you bring a gun into a conversation your talking about multiple actions rate of fire how long it takes to reload bullets per clip can someone run in or out of a room before they reload can some one get out of killing range before the reload its all posibilities along with the persons accuracy itself not to mention their mentality at the time i wouldn't trust half the people in the world to have kids so why the hell would i trust them with a gun i wouldn't not even if hell actually froze over and i freaking saw it NEVER cause people are always one bad day from going insane

 

[DietyOfWind]

of it went by dna thats also a weak argument cause a lot of the times kids dna matches closely to the parents and the gun probably wouldnt be able to tell the differences yet since technology isn't that far for it yet.

 

[DietyOfWind]

honestly we shouldnt be looking for new ways to kill each other we should be looking for ways to make peace to cure mental diseases and to apologize fir things even if its not our fault to be humble

 

[7PointOh]

So what if the person took your stun gun and tazed you with it? It's your same logic of someone taking your gun and shooting you with it. I was merely pointing out an alternative solution for that. I get where your going in home protection. What you're forgetting is if a home is broken into, the motive behind that break in. If they are going to rob you, most will look for easy things to take. Yes a lock is a deterrent. So is motion sensor lights, alarm system, neighborhood watch. They are not full proof but makes you a hard target. Robbers don't like to draw attention to themselves.

If they're going in with the intent to kill you, then what have you done to piss them off? And they are probably already armed. If they are just wackos, then they might not be in the right frame of mind to look for a gun. And is probably already armed. But I digress.

The topic of discussion was the second amendment. I have used firearms in the past on a professional manner. I don't own one because personally I don't have a need for one. But I think the act of repealing the 2nd amendment, including the banning the right to own a firearm, is a no go. Not for the fact that guns kill and all that, but for the fact that if they can repeal that, what's stopping the government from repealing other parts of the bill of rights.

 

[Vexorian]

All of you that support it completely are leaning towards socialism. Should assault weapons be taken away? Sure. Should we need to register ammunition? Absolutely not. Hunting rifles? a simple 1-time background check is fine. As with everything else, America is a free country. There is no doubt that the current government is leaning towards socialism, and that is entirely unconstitutional. I have the right to bear arms, PERIOD. As does everybody else. But, on the other hand, the constitution is hideously outdated. At that point, there were no assault weapons. At that point, there was a need for each and every person to defend themselves, as there is today. But you do not need high powered assault rifles to do so, nor automatics of any kind. The current government would not be able to successfully quell a full revolution. The citizens would need to be divided for them to win. If they were to simply walk in and shoot everything that moves, then there'd be nothing left. Need I remind you, if we did in fact have a revolution, China and Russia would be fighting over our corpses and our country.

 

[yay its cloudy]

ehh.... personally I'm against guns and all that but the government should just make the big automatic guns illegal like the AK-47 and pretty much the ones used by the army,to prevent more deaths, but either way while there are guns circulating, there will always be violence.

 

[Zol]

I find it a bit funny how some people (who apparently don't live in Kongo or Gaza) panic about being helpless without guns and angsty stuff like that. In my country, gun law has always been very strict. You hear news about criminals using guns very rarely here. Despite that, even here we had some of those school massacres, but it always turned out the killers were using their parent's weapons (who had a - quite hard to get - gun licence). So, concerning these typical school shootings, banning guns should help, since those people won't go out on some black market, they take what's easily available.

On the other hand, I'm of course basing that on my experiences and my countrie's situation, where finding some black market for guns would be quite difficult for the average person. If you bann guns in a country like the USA, where owning/using guns is so deeply rooted in society, things could be different.

 

[Tagen]

Americans only want guns because way back when Britain colonized the US guns were banned, and when America got it's independence, the people wanted to be different from Britain so they legalized guns.

Why do America even need an Army if their entire population is armed?

FYI people who say that even in countries where guns are illeagal, criminals still get their hands on them don't know that its the US that provide most of the weapons to countries around the world.

 

[drknght]

Lets castrate every single man. We need to protect ladies from rapists.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. you can't "remove" it
2. Its non-democratic.

 

[DietyOfWind]

anyone ever stop to think the bad guys got guns from an easy source too since their readily availiable in a ton of the cases the parents had it and they dont actually provide any protection they get people killed and most the time its the innocents who die.

 

[Rasenloki]

As a black man who has lived in the ghetto all of my 25 years of life i will say this. I have a 4yr old so my heart goes out to the parents and relatives. For whites this is tragic but for me it's the norm coming from a lower income community. If they banned guns, i would bet the food out my child's mouth it won't change a damn thing. I have seen more gangsters and sicko's than most folk (depending on where u folks live). Bad people don't follow the law in the first place so what makes you think they will start if you banned it?

The reality is bad people do not care about what amendment goes or law's that pass, they live by completely different rules. I understand most of you people are afraid, and that's perfectly fine. But to use your fear to dictate how another man or woman should be protected is plain wrong. If you feel like you don't need a gun then simply don't buy one, but to say ban something based on your fear is unfair to others.

Not to be funny but where i come from people say if your scared "Get a dog". Most white dudes who go out and kill, use mommy and daddy gun, black dudes for the most by them from the blackmarket (ironic lol) Personally i know how criminals think i use to gang bang, and commit petty crimes (never arrested, went to college) All you will do is ensure that a criminals job will be easier and guns will go for even cheaper on the black market.

Honestly there is no solution, crime is almost always a instant action. Which is why no one puts faith in cops, they are not the flash or superman. We can blame games, movies, the internet all we want, the fact is that we are violent by nature and will always be. But for the most part the larger part of society can control those urges. I will end this by saying id rather not have to knife fight another to the bitter end nor shoot a guy for that matter. But i will be damned if you tell me i can not own a gun cause you don't want one. R.I.P to children!

 

[GaaraXSakura4eva]

Lets castrate every single man. We need to protect ladies from rapists.

Don't you think that's a bit over the top? I'm a woman, but I don't view every man as a threat. Some guys know how to use their stuff the right way.

 

[DietyOfWind]

every one always says that if they didn't have guns they would just get something else but honestly they don't know that for sure people are much more inclined to get something out int he open easy like a gun just lying in a case then to go searching for and in the black market.Secondly if they remove the second amendment which it needs to be removed cause no one needs a gun except cops it would be removed cause it needed to they don't just go around removing amendments for no reason honestly and if you had a kid die in a school cause of some idiot having guns for protection and her son shot your kid dead would you honestly still be fro this stupid amendment and yes ik guns don't kill people people kill people but guns make it far too easy for them to do it.The ids always find the guns always don't even consider trying to hid them cause they find them.guns are a stupid and unneccesarry thing cause they can easily be used against you and its a eak argument to say dont remove the amendment cause they will remove more cause if thats the case remove them all if thats what its gonna take to get guns off the streets for good,drugs should get removed from streets too.