America is looking at removing the 2nd amednment.

[DietyOfWind]

i view opression as no one having any choice or say in any matters what so ever such as their food clothing political views shelter not owning anything not being able to provide for a family extreamely horrible working conditions and sexual and cultural racisim

 

[Germanicus]

1-It's ironic your saying I have less knowledge of how it works when you clearly showed you didn't understand how your 1st amendment right, 4th amendment right, 10th amendment right ect are all infringed..anyways

2-If someone's religious rights are infringed then there's an issue. You don't have to go to a religious medical center you can go to the one created and maintained by the state.

For one, I understand completely how far they go. The freedom to practice religion is well established in this nation. And it is protected from active oppression. You're talking about protecting organizations from providing vital services to constituents under the religious organizations. These rights conflict. It's clear which ones win out. If they don't provide vital medical services, they don't have a place dealing with medical services. Also, the Tenth Amendment is the matter of rights reserved to the state and the individual, when the federal government is not directly given powers.

However, the medical well being of the nation is an implied power. (I'll take it you've heard of necessary and proper?) These services most definitely fit in here. I'm truly sorry you're so frightened of federal power you let a few butt hurt Christian institutions who don't want to give money for vital medical services dictate your definition of perfect examples of violation of the Constitution.

 

[Unbiased]

i view opression as no one having any choice or say in any matters what so ever such as their food clothing political views shelter not owning anything not being able to provide for a family extreamely horrible working conditions and sexual and cultural racisim

So Americans not having any say in withdrawal from Iraq, Afganistan, Libya, Koraea, Vietnam, Japan and everywhere else we are is oppression to you which is exactly my point. Americans aren't in control of federal spending, they aren't in control of the withdrawal of military forces ect.

 

[DietyOfWind]

the reason drugs havent been stopped is cause a quarter of the government uses those drugs they easily could find them all if they actually tried to they would just have to use heat sensors with their overhead satilites all drugs created have to be in heat specific environments

 

[DietyOfWind]

why are you so hung up on war ops when that's not directly affecting the populous its inadvertantly protecting us in stupid ways that no one can win.

 

[Unbiased]

For one, I understand completely how far they go. The freedom to practice religion is well established in this nation. And it is protected from active oppression. You're talking about protecting organizations from providing vital services to constituents under the religious organizations. These rights conflict. It's clear which ones win out. If they don't provide vital medical services, they don't have a place dealing with medical services. Also, the Tenth Amendment is the matter of rights reserved to the state and the individual, when the federal government is not directly given powers.

However, the medical well being of the nation is an implied power. (I'll take it you've heard of necessary and proper?) These services most definitely fit in here. I'm truly sorry you're so frightened of federal power you let a few butt hurt Christian institutions who don't want to give money for vital medical services dictate your definition of perfect examples of violation of the Constitution.

Vital- Absolutely necessary or important

Contraception is not a vital service whatsoever. Don't use the word vital until you understand its importance, I'll give you an example.

air is vital to survival, video games are not. Procreation is vital for survival of the race, contraceptives are not.

 

[Unbiased]

the reason drugs havent been stopped is cause a quarter of the government uses those drugs they easily could find them all if they actually tried to they would just have to use heat sensors with their overhead satilites all drugs created have to be in heat specific environments

The war on drugs is the reason the drug cartel and Mexican mafia to name a few are so successful. I won't even begin to list all the murders that have happened to innocents because of those organizations.

why are you so hung up on war ops when that's not directly affecting the populous its inadvertantly protecting us in stupid ways that no one can win.

I along with everyone else whose sacrificed because of these wars are directly affected. The difference between the people who sacrifice like myself and those who do not are that the tax payers (EX everyone who pays taxes) are paying for these unjust wars.

 

[DietyOfWind]

it was on the news earlier that the hacker group anomyous is targeting the babtist church thats likes telling everyone else their going to hell for their individual beliefs because their interfearing with the burials of the dead children .Their releasing all their personal info to the world so they get harassed and destroyed which i'm leaning toward agreement on since their cruel and horrible people for doing so including to their own family members when someone believes in a religion thats different than yours you let them believe that so long as it dont involve castrating animals or killing other human beings for but what are your guys views on that since i see a few side comments about religion

 

[Germanicus]

Vital- Absolutely necessary or important

Contraception is not a vital service whatsoever. Don't use the word vital until you understand its importance, I'll give you an example.

air is vital to survival, video games are not. Procreation is vital for survival, contraceptives are not.

Right, so let's just let all of those people who aren't prepared to have kids have em anyway. Or better yet, let's just push abortions. That makes for much better policies. Once again, you're showing you don't understand the correlation between responsible and vital. The people we need these groups to provide contractions for don't have the resources to give children good lives. It is not morally permissible to allow children to be born into circumstances where they will grow up hungry or needing. That is what is vital. It is neither safe nor logical not to demand contractions be provided.

 

[DietyOfWind]

so what unbiased does that even matter thats just a never ending cycle just like the naruto series says cause no one wants to be the big person and forgive the other side cause both sides are both babies andare too butt hurt to admit they were both wrong to each other and what would you suggest to fix it another war to stop all the war they cause through war that gets nowhere.

 

[Unbiased]

it was on the news earlier that the hacker group anomyous is targeting the babtist church thats likes telling everyone else their going to hell for their individual beliefs because their interfearing with the burials of the dead children .Their releasing all their personal info to the world so they get harassed and destroyed which i'm leaning toward agreement on since their cruel and horrible people for doing so including to their own family members when someone believes in a religion thats different than yours you let them believe that so long as it dont involve castrating animals or killing other human beings for but what are your guys views on that since i see a few side comments about religion

I don't the westboro baptist group. Not that I'm very religious but I do abide by the rule do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Right, so let's just let all of those people who aren't prepared to have kids have em anyway. Or better yet, let's just push abortions. That makes for much better policies. Once again, you're showing you don't understand the correlation between responsible and vital. The people we need these groups to provide contractions for don't have the resources to give children good lives. It is not morally permissible to allow children to be born into circumstances where they will grow up hungry or needing. That is what is vital. It is neither safe nor logical not to demand contractions be provided.

Don't procreate if you can't afford or are ready for a kid.

 

[Germanicus]

Don't procreate if you can't afford or are ready for a kid.

Okay. Go tell all of those people that. Get all of them to agree and I will shut up forever.

 

[Unbiased]

so what unbiased does that even matter thats just a never ending cycle just like the naruto series says cause no one wants to be the big person and forgive the other side cause both sides are both babies andare too butt hurt to admit they were both wrong to each other and what would you suggest to fix it another war to stop all the war they cause through war that gets nowhere.

The middle east would not be trying to harm us if we didn't invade their land and occupy it. That's literally the reason they are upset at us aside from homosexuality. This all could of been avoided is America minded its own business instead of building bases all over the world.

 

[DietyOfWind]

video games are vital to my survival tho lol but seriously just let them give out contraception anyway just incase their married but dont want to have kids yet cant just assume their going behind your back doing the nasty cause their kids just cause your a relioious place although more than likely they are but do it anyway to protect them id say if that was what that argument was about.as for abortions idk how to feel about them since my case i probably would have been aborted but kinda glad i wasnt at the same time.

 

[Unbiased]

Okay. Go tell all of those people that. Get all of them to agree and I will shut up forever.

Only an irresponsible individual will procreate hoping nothing bad will happen. If you can't take care of a kid or aren't ready for one you shouldn't be procreating. By procreating with that in mind you display you do not care about that kids future child's well being since you are doing it anyways when you are not ready to have one.

 

[DietyOfWind]

so then the middle east woulda just then bombed us for the gay people instead and we would be here again at the same point about america not minding its own business and people being gay and it would still get nowhere point is the past is the past and we should learn from it not trying to blow every nation off the fricking planet every chance we get cause of terrorism

 

[Germanicus]

Only an irresponsible individual will procreate hoping nothing bad will happen. If you can't take care of a kid or aren't ready for one you shouldn't be procreating. By procreating with that in mind you display you do not care about that kids future child's well being since you are doing it anyways when you are not ready to have one.

Not the government's place. Can't dictate a person's morals. Tenth Amendment. What they can be doing is help make sure kids aren't born into a bad situation as a result of parent's bad decision making. By providing contraception.

 

[Unbiased]

video games are vital to my survival tho lol but seriously just let them give out contraception anyway just incase their married but dont want to have kids yet cant just assume their going behind your back doing the nasty cause their kids just cause your a relioious place although more than likely they are but do it anyway to protect them id say if that was what that argument was about.as for abortions idk how to feel about them since my case i probably would have been aborted but kinda glad i wasnt at the same time.

Well it's not my decision. If I had my say the entire U.S. government would be overthrown and every thing would be put back in its natural order. No more wasting money in other countries, no more foreign aid to terrorist countries, no more military bases in other countries, no more fake wars, no more over spending, no more oppression of the people, no more infringing religious rights ect. Back to the way it was before WW1.

 

[Unbiased]

Not the government's place. Can't dictate a person's morals. Tenth Amendment. What they can be doing is help make sure kids aren't born into a bad situation as a result of parent's bad decision making. By providing contraception.

You support that irresponsible adults are procreating hoping nothing bad will happen and in case something bad happens let's just give them free contraceptives paid for by other people because personal responsibility doesn't exist for you obviously. Let's not be responsible for our actions and have someone else take care of it. /facepalm

 

[DietyOfWind]

people will ''procreate'' reguardless what anyone says or feels about it even if their not supposed to cause of religion or not some people just arent that religions. best they protect themselves at least. as a side note i like went people arent that religious some times people are so religious i feel like the tenseness of saying something wrong will make them want to kill you granted not all really religious people are nuts but the ones that are are scary