America is looking at removing the 2nd amednment.

[DietyOfWind]

if people want to protect their familys they should start buying those riot shields that block bullets because guns are not the way to do it in the least the woman who had the guns that the kid used she had them for protection load of good it did her family her son takes them uses them to kill her and kids in a school all cause they believed in the world ending GOD insane people and guns not a good mix

 

[Unbiased]

depends what you mean by innocents most the people who died were soldiers looking for war to protect everyone same for the other side really everyone wants to protect their own side in war and somewhere along the lines the word protect became the word kill and after killing anyone no one that killed anyone is innocent and sure there have been people on both sides who died that werent involved in anything but thats just unfortunate and would happen no matter what we did government or not

The government lied about what got us into the war in the first place. So those people who died would not of died unjustly. Its a shame. Just like with 9/11 we were warned it would happen if we didn't get off their land. My point being the government is responsible for the deaths of millions of innocents.

 

[Germanicus]

And you've just proven you are just another ignorant American. The government now mandates Christian organization to provide contraceptives when its against their religion that is infringement of the 10th amendment. The 4th Amendment calls for the privacy of Americans and the Patriot removed that. The NDAA indefinitely detains all Americans which is also in violation of the 4th Amendment. You don't have free speech wherever the secret service are either.

Okay, heh, thank whatever you want. The NDAA, for one, won't last. Several states have already called for bans. Law suits have been made. It's making it's way through the courts and will most definitely not be found constitutional, for the same reasons you've listed; violation of the 4th Amendment. And the provision of contraception? It's in health plans. Where it belongs. I'm not willing to put religious freedom over public health but I guess you are? If you're going to have health services provided by employers, it needs to provide contraception services.

Sorry jack ass, guess you don't quite front the bill when talking about 'ignorant Americans'.

 

[DietyOfWind]

LOL the twin towers had bomb threats every week they even stated that fact in the news and online

 

[DietyOfWind]

the twin towers were the world trade center they couldnt close down the entire building everytime some one cried wolf or should i say cried bomb?

 

[narajacob]

So Unbiased has the view that we should fight fire with fire and revolt against a corrupt government, that is ultimately trying to protect the lives of its citizens. I wonder what that will achieve? Oh thats right, it will achieve death of many and the armed forces wont have anyone to protect. All for an outdated amendment that was created when population was significantly lower and the guns at the time couldn't kill so many so fast.

 

[Unbiased]

Okay, heh, thank whatever you want. The NDAA, for one, won't last. Several states have already called for bans. Law suits have been made. It's making it's way through the courts and will most definitely not be found constitutional, for the same reasons you've listed; violation of the 4th Amendment. And the provision of contraception? It's in health plans. Where it belongs. I'm not willing to put religious freedom over public health but I guess you are? If you're going to have health services provided by employers, it needs to provide contraception services.

Sorry jack ass, guess you don't quite front the bill when talking about 'ignorant Americans'.

People didn't say the Patriot act would last either..whatever happened with that? Religious freedom is infringed, if you're getting care at a religious institution it should not be mandated by the government whether or not they provide contraceptives. Its against their religion and the fact that's its now forced is unconstitutional. Your religious rights are infringed when you cannot practice your religion in the way it's intended. So for me to call you ignorant is perfectly okay.

LOL the twin towers had bomb threats every week they even stated that fact in the news and online

I mean to say they are upset for the sole reason of us invading their "holy lands". I'd be upset is China or Cuba built a military base right next to my house.

 

[Unbiased]

So Unbiased has the view that we should fight fire with fire and revolt against a corrupt government, that is ultimately trying to protect the lives of its citizens. I wonder what that will achieve? Oh thats right, it will achieve death of many and the armed forces wont have anyone to protect. All for an outdated amendment that was created when population was significantly lower and the guns at the time couldn't kill so many so fast.

Revolting against a corrupt government is the reason America exist today through the very actions you just stated. Fighting fire with fire created America.

the twin towers were the world trade center they couldnt close down the entire building everytime some one cried wolf or should i say cried bomb?

If someone's telling you they're going to blow it up if you don't get off their land and it gets blown up you are directly responsible.

 

[-Punk-]

Oh ! America

 

[DietyOfWind]

altiair had the best saying nothing is true everything is permitted meaning everything is lies but anything inbetween those lies is possible basically people often lie but lies have truth hidden in them most the time and since everyone lies it wouldnt matter who we had in government honestly the same thing would repeat itself but so long as people arent being opressed by the government there is no need to revolt which was why the origional founding fathers put it there

 

[narajacob]

Yeah but that wasn't because one side removed an outdated amendment

 

[DietyOfWind]

lol no they were upset we helped the french i think their holy lands were garbage before we got there simply cause they dont treat them as holy lands their too busy fighting over who owns them and killing each other on that land to notice

 

[Germanicus]

People didn't say the Patriot act would last either..whatever happened with that? Religious freedom is infringed, if you're getting care at a religious institution it should not be mandated by the government whether or not they provide contraceptives. Its against their religion and the fact that's its now forced is unconstitutional. Your religious rights are infringed when you cannot practice your religion in the way it's intended. So for me to call you ignorant is perfectly okay. .

Which is why plenty of Christians practice Contraception completely unperturbed? Alright, whatever helps you sleep at night. If it's an institution which provides health care, it better damn well provide contraceptives or it should be shut down. At that point, it's inadequate for providing health services and should give way to a secular plan. Plus, the Constitution in the modern era is, and should be becoming, more along the areas of guidelines. Like people are pointing out, we're aiming for smart government. Not strict government. And if you really can't step away enough from a well over two hundred year document to see that, I feel bad for you. You have zero faith in the system and less knowledge of how it works.

 

[Unbiased]

Yeah but that wasn't because one side removed an outdated amendment

That one side didn't allow religious freedom and raised taxes/put taxes on many things.

altiair had the best saying nothing is true everything is permitted meaning everything is lies but anything inbetween those lies is possible basically people often lie but lies have truth hidden in them most the time and since everyone lies it wouldnt matter who we had in government honestly the same thing would repeat itself but so long as people arent being opressed by the government there is no need to revolt which was why the origional founding fathers put it there

What do you view as oppression?

 

[Unbiased]

Which is why plenty of Christians practice Contraception completely unperturbed? Alright, whatever helps you sleep at night. If it's an institution which provides health care, it better damn well provide contraceptives or it should be shut down. At that point, it's inadequate for providing health services and should give way to a secular plan. Plus, the Constitution in the modern era is, and should be becoming, more along the areas of guidelines. Like people are pointing out, we're aiming for smart government. Not strict government. And if you really can't step away enough from a well over two hundred year document to see that, I feel bad for you. You have zero faith in the system and less knowledge of how it works.

1-It's ironic your saying I have less knowledge of how it works when you clearly showed you didn't understand how your 1st amendment right, 4th amendment right, 10th amendment right ect are all infringed..anyways

2-If someone's religious rights are infringed then there's an issue. You don't have to go to a religious medical center you can go to the one created and maintained by the state.

 

[GaaraXSakura4eva]

All of you need to realize this. Once the government takes one right away, they will eventually try to take them all away. You all need to really know all the details you can before rattling off opinions. They could be the last you freely give!

 

[DietyOfWind]

if people cracked down on guns you should see how fast the number of people shot drops and i'm talking the whole 9 yards all guns taken from everyone but cops and military and known gangs get swat team invasions sent in to arrest them all and take all guns black market for guns completely stirpped to nothing and a tracker on any known used materials to create guns.the government already knows where all the guns are probably and all the gangs they probably dont go after them cause of the other amendment protecing people and heir natural rights which i would say shouldnt protect them if they have guns especially unregistered ones and all auto ones if it was just like pistols i could understand liency but all guns do and were made for is to kill people and in a world getting to be as advanced as ours their unneccessary

 

[Unbiased]

]if people cracked down on guns you should see how fast the number of people shot drops[/B] and i'm talking the whole 9 yards all guns taken from everyone but cops and military and known gangs get swat team invasions sent in to arrest them all and take all guns black market for guns completely stirpped to nothing and a tracker on any known used materials to create guns.the government already knows where all the guns are probably and all the gangs they probably dont go after them cause of the other amendment protecing people and heir natural rights which i would say shouldnt protect them if they have guns especially unregistered ones and all auto ones if it was just like pistols i could understand liency but all guns do and were made for is to kill people and in a world getting to be as advanced as ours their unneccessary

That's why the war on drugs has been one big heaping success. No drug users here in America nope all drug free. Point being that kind of logic doesn't work. Guns are not the issue.

 

[Vegeta]

Timothy McVeigh didn't use a gun. He killed 168 people. Killed 19 children under the age of 6. Injured over 680 innocent people. You can still buy fertilizer. You can still buy racing fuel. You can still rent box trucks. Murders will murder with or without a gun. Guns are not the problem, and at this point in America we are too far gone for that. Right now, if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

 

[20Tailed Beast]

yea even if they cut the 2nd the black market has and always be around, we cant trust ours to protect us there is bad cops too and the way things are lookin kid shud go to skool with bulletproof attire...