America and it's hypocrisy?!

[Scooby Doo]

We are taking out orders, we don't make them.

I have no intentions of engaging into a long and pointless debate, but I hope you're aware that's the excuse the Nazi soldiers used as well.

 

[elitenoob94]

I have no intentions of engaging into a long and pointless debate, but I hope you're aware that's the excuse the Nazi soldiers used as well.

Okay. That's your opinion and I cannot enforce a change on that, but as freedom of speech still is around I can still say you're an idiot because it isn't an excuse and I am not backing Nazis.

Think about it... Who makes these orders for us? It's disobeying a higher ranking officer and serious consequences result from disobeying. Such as a death penalty, but that hasn't been used since the January of 1945 in the case of Private Edward Slovik for desertion, you can get a court martial for disobeying. A general courts martial requires a general officer as convening authority, and is the only type that can impose the death penalty.

My only saying is that you can't blame the military, and you know that. We just carry orders out. Enough is said.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Okay. That's your opinion and I cannot enforce a change on that, but as freedom of speech still is around I can still say you're an idiot because it isn't an excuse and I am not backing Nazis.

Think about it... Who makes these orders for us? It's disobeying a higher ranking officer and serious consequences result from disobeying. Such as a death penalty, but that hasn't been used since the January of 1945 in the case of Private Edward Slovik for desertion, you can get a court martial for disobeying. A general courts martial requires a general officer as convening authority, and is the only type that can impose the death penalty.

My only saying is that you can't blame the military, and you know that. We just carry orders out. Enough is said.

Okay, if you can't come up with something better. And why so butthurt? I didn't say you're backing nazis. The fact you're calling me an idiot doesn't help the case of your military.

 

[elitenoob94]

Okay, if you can't come up with something better. And why so butthurt? I didn't say you're backing nazis. The fact you're calling me an idiot doesn't help the case of your military.

Because I am joining the US Military and I find it offensive to call us criminals when we try to keep you safe even if you don't want to admit some of our actions "safe". It's pretty derogatory.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Because I am joining the US Military and I find it offensive to call us criminals when we try to keep you safe even if you don't want to admit some of our actions "safe". It's pretty derogatory.

Sigh...I see there is some misunderstanding here. I didn't call you criminals. I didn't compare your military to the nazis, I compared your reasoning to theirs. It's not my fault they are similar. Sorry if I hurt your feelings u.u

 

[SonictheHedgehog]

Lol Wondering if some of the people posting in these threads gotten they jaw tested yet. Some of yall truly sicken me to my stomach.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Okay. That's your opinion and I cannot enforce a change on that, but as freedom of speech still is around I can still say you're an idiot because it isn't an excuse and I am not backing Nazis.

Think about it... Who makes these orders for us? It's disobeying a higher ranking officer and serious consequences result from disobeying. Such as a death penalty, but that hasn't been used since the January of 1945 in the case of Private Edward Slovik for desertion, you can get a court martial for disobeying. A general courts martial requires a general officer as convening authority, and is the only type that can impose the death penalty.

My only saying is that you can't blame the military, and you know that. We just carry orders out. Enough is said.

What you're saying is, you can't blame the military because you're just following orders, right? It's a simple yes or no question, I'd prefer if you responded with just yes or no for now.

 

[Anorien16]

Recently, A black teen was killed and shot Multipletimes for robbing a store protests was followed after the incident, police threw tear gas, shot fire, arrested black men and women.Is this the definition of democracy and human rights in america, black people are 21x more likely to get shot than a white.Can america just stop criticizing other countries about how they don't have democracy and human rights and mind their own freaking business Lol.


P.S: starting to regret that america got it's independence.

Note:

1. A Black Criminal Teen who just robbed a store and refused to co-operate and attacked the policeman. Perhaps things such as that is the mark of a law or even moral abiding citizen to you ....

2. Those Black men women burned down a Gas Station, ransaked a Chinese Restaurant on the very first day of the protest ...... People have the right to gather peacefully for protest but violence such as that negates that right.

You seem to be aware of the Human Rights but not the accompanying Responsibilities and Duties.... Typical.

Not to mention:

Here are the peaceful protesters who continued their peaceful behavior after peacefully burning down some other people's livelihoods and quite a bit of property ......

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[elitenoob94]

What you're saying is, you can't blame the military because you're just following orders, right? It's a simple yes or no question, I'd prefer if you responded with just yes or no for now.

Whatever helps you sleep at night, yes, you can blame them but I'm just saying we shouldn't be held accountable. Like I said we take out the orders given not make them.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Whatever helps you sleep at night, yes, you can blame them but I'm just saying we shouldn't be held accountable. Like I said we take out the orders given not make them.

Jesus I hate when people respond to a simple request for yes or no with a bunch of bullshit

So yes, you are saying that soldiers should not be held accountable for any actions they take during the war because they were following orders; they didn't create the plan, they just do.

Then yes, Kobak is right; this is literally the exact same thing the Nazis said.

 

[elitenoob94]

Jesus I hate when people respond to a simple request for yes or no with a bunch of bullshit

So yes, you are saying that soldiers should not be held accountable for any actions they take during the war because they were following orders; they didn't create the plan, they just do.

Then yes, Kobak is right; this is literally the exact same thing the Nazis said.

Okay. Now I'm lost. I'm trying to prove a point that Kobak denied but literally stated in a post on this topic that the "Military are criminals". I haven't been shipped out yet but I know enough to say that's completely wrong.

It is also wrong to compare the exact statement I just said to what the Nazis said because that's a whole another topic to discuss.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sigh...I see there is some misunderstanding here. I didn't call you criminals. I didn't compare your military to the nazis, I compared your reasoning to theirs. It's not my fault they are similar. Sorry if I hurt your feelings u.u

Okay. Now I'm lost. I'm trying to prove a point that Kobak denied but literally stated in a post on this topic that the "Military are criminals". I haven't been shipped out yet but I know enough to say that's completely wrong.

It is also wrong to compare the exact statement I just said to what the Nazis said because that's a whole another topic to discuss.

Alright, first off, when I said Kobak was right, I was referring to this post right here.

I have no intentions of engaging into a long and pointless debate, but I hope you're aware that's the excuse the Nazi soldiers used as well.

The Nazis are infamously known for saying "We were just following orders" after World War 2 ended. It is not wrong to compare what you said to what the Nazis said because they are, quite literally, the same thing. They said they were just following orders, and here is what you said:

We are taking out orders, we don't make them.

We just carry orders out.

Same shit, different toilet.

You really should read our posts better, no one said soldiers are criminals; no one said that the military is like the Nazis, what has been said is that the reasoning you're using to say why the soldiers shouldn't be held accountable is the same reasoning the Nazis used. There really is no way you can argue this, at the end of the day "We're taking out orders/We just carry out orders" is the same as "We're just following orders", and the latter is what the Nazis said.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Eh, let me clarify myself, apparently I was too ambiguous.

Yes, soldiers in general take orders, but that doesn't mean they're all nazis, and I didn't say that.

My point was that despite soldiers have to take orders, it cannot always be used as an excuse to avoid responsibility. There are circumstances when the military is indeed just as guilty- as in the case of Nazis.

That's all...

 

[elitenoob94]

Alright, first off, when I said Kobak was right, I was referring to this post right here.

The Nazis are infamously known for saying "We were just following orders" after World War 2 ended. It is not wrong to compare what you said to what the Nazis said because they are, quite literally, the same thing. They said they were just following orders, and here is what you said:



Same shit, different toilet.

You really should read our posts better, no one said soldiers are criminals; no one said that the military is like the Nazis, what has been said is that the reasoning you're using to say why the soldiers shouldn't be held accountable is the same reasoning the Nazis used. There really is no way you can argue this, at the end of the day "We're taking out orders/We just carry out orders" is the same as "We're just following orders", and the latter is what the Nazis said.

Look, I really don't care what other bullshit you have to rat on about. All I am arguing about is that we shouldn't be classified as criminals. That's my only argument here.

I read your posts fine. I'm not illiterate, possibly you are because here you said

no one said soldiers are criminals; no one said that the military is like the Nazis,

When...

government and military are criminals.

So, someone said the military are criminals.

Look, again, I don't even care anymore I need some sleep for Lacrosse conditioning and PT tomorrow. I think we turned this into quite the conundrum.

 

[elitenoob94]

Eh, let me clarify myself, apparently I was too ambiguous.

Yes, soldiers in general take orders, but that doesn't mean they're all nazis, and I didn't say that.

My point was that despite soldiers have to take orders, it cannot always be used as an excuse to avoid responsibility. There are circumstances when the military is indeed just as guilty- as in the case of Nazis.

That's all...

Eh. That's very arguable. You want to accuse us of things that we don't even have the power to create. That's higher up. We can't just go to war with someone without someone elses approval. That's basic power right there. We are just an enactment of peace. We protect America and all that stands with it.

Nazis is a whole different story, in a way. They could've backed away from a wrongful genocide ordered by a deranged lunatic leader. In this day and age even I would rather go as a deserter to kill innocent people who have nothing to do with anything. Hitler was a jealous man IMO.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Look, I really don't care what other bullshit you have to rat on about. All I am arguing about is that we shouldn't be classified as criminals. That's my only argument here.

I read your posts fine. I'm not illiterate, possibly you are because here you said


When...

So, someone said the military are criminals.

Look, again, I don't even care anymore I need some sleep for Lacrosse conditioning and PT tomorrow. I think we turned this into quite the conundrum.

@Bold: Can you? Because your reading comprehension skills are getting questionable.

"No one said military are criminals" was an elliptical sentence, I thought the context of my posts would be enough to portray the full idea of it, but I suppose not. That was mea culpa on my part, I should have just said the whole thought instead of leaving it up to you to deduce.

See, that's not what this argument is about because neither I, nor Kobak, called them criminals(that was the full thought in the elliptical sentence, but whatever). I'm not arguing about whether or not soldiers and the military are criminals, I'm saying the defense you're using for them is the same that the Nazis used to defend themselves.

I'll seclude it from the rest of the post by itself so you can fully understand what I'm talking about:

The defense you are using for the US military is the same exact defense the Nazis used to for themselves.

Do you understand what I'm saying now?

 

[elitenoob94]

@Bold: Can you? Because your reading comprehension skills are getting questionable.

"No one said military are criminals" was an elliptical sentence, I thought the context of my posts would be enough to portray the full idea of it, but I suppose not. That was mea culpa on my part, I should have just said the whole thought instead of leaving it up to you to deduce.

See, that's not what this argument is about because neither I, nor Kobak, called them criminals(that was the full thought in the elliptical sentence, but whatever). I'm not arguing about whether or not soldiers and the military are criminals, I'm saying the defense you're using for them is the same that the Nazis used to defend themselves.

I'll seclude it from the rest of the post by itself so you can fully understand what I'm talking about:

The defense you are using for the US military is the same exact defense the Nazis used to for themselves.

Do you understand what I'm saying now?

I'm very stupid and you have made this into a conundrum for me lmao.

No. I actually don't because you're not making any sense. I don't even know what the hell you're trying to say here. At this point my argument has proven more than it has needed, so I am off to bed.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm very stupid and you have made this into a conundrum for me lmao.

No. I actually don't because you're not making any sense. I don't even know what the hell you're trying to say here. At this point my argument has proven more than it has needed, so I am off to bed.

Yeah I can see that. I guess I made my posts too complicated, so here is what the fact that I am saying:
The defense you offer for soldiers of the US military is the exact same defense the Nazis offered for themselves.

I cannot make it any clearer than that.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Eh. That's very arguable..

What is arguable? Even you admit that:

They could've backed away from a wrongful genocide ordered by a deranged lunatic leader.

...which is what I was saying too. That if the order is wrong,i.e. genocide, you can't just say later "sorry it was an order".

You want to accuse us of things that we don't even have the power to create.

No I don't and I didn't. I was talking about the nazis' example.

In this day and age even I would rather go as a deserter to kill innocent people who have nothing to do with anything.

Uhm, what? Didn't you omit a "than" there?

 

[Zlatán]

Honestly America is the worse country to be in if you're non white, you get looked on differently and treated like your inferior to them, let's look at a example, a white guy who shot down innocent young children in a school killing 23 was taken to jail alive while a unarmed black guy who was wrongly convicted of stealing and surrendered was shot 6 times. Why are they being treated differently? Because they're black, pathetic.....

People protecting and supporting the killer of that innocent man is no better then the killer himself, what's his excuse? He couldn't protect himself from a unarmed 18 year old? Then why the f*ck is he a cop?