Amaterasu Origins and Kaguya's Dimensions

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Based on Kaguya's reaction, Amaterasu might have been Indra's dojutsu and/or she may have seen it before
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Ashura had Doton, Suiton, Yang affinity and produced Mokuton while Indra had Raiton, Katon, Yin affinity and was able to use Enton. The elements are perfect opposites but Sasuke doesn't actually combine his affinities to make a KKG like Hashi would.


The flame ignites when the eye has its target marked, but from what I understand it doesn't actually ignite but rather gets summoned instead, because the users were never said to combine their nature affinities.
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So where does Amaterasu come from considering Mokuton originates from the Juubi's body and Sharingan from its eye ?

I think what the Mangekyo does is summon the flame from a different world/dimension as Obito proved that dimensions can be linked with dojutsu. The ability to summon the flame would basically derive from Kaguya's ability to summon dimensions which I will elaborate on.
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BZ described Amaterasu as a "fire from Hell".
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The statement caught my attention because one of the Rinnegan's summons is the King of Hell. Nagato named the Path 'Naraka' which happens to be the Sanskrit word for 'Underworld', a term used to describe 'Hell' in Christian religion
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However, the 'Underworld' is also known as the "Pure World" in NV because that's where the dead go regardless of whether they're good or bad, coincidentally, the King of Hell grants Outer Path the ability to summon souls from the "Pure World"
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Hagoromo's ability to summon souls from the after life suggests that he may have been linked with the Pure World in the same manner Kaguya was linked to her dimensions, it also suggests that Kaguya may have been linked to it as well since she was the Juubi.

The 9 tomoe on the JuubiJin's back could be said to represent 9 dimensions linked to Kaguya's eye however, we've only seen 6 of them so far. It's likely that the Pure World is one of the remaining 3 dimensions we haven't seen hence why Hago's dojutsu has control over it.
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Indra's jutsu might have derived from Kaguya's ability to shift spaces, along with his father's control over the King of Hell and his JuubiJin predecessors having their dojutsu linked with the realm of the dead.

The flame is said to represent a "Material World of Light" which sounds like an accurate description of the after life. I think what MS does is "shift" the flames from the Pure World, similar to how Kaguya would for example shift a portion of Lava from her dimension instead of a whole ocean.
 

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[theory]

Based on Kaguya's reaction, Amaterasu might have been Indra's dojutsu and/or she may have seen it before
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Ashura had Doton, Suiton, Yang affinity and produced Mokuton while Indra had Raiton, Katon, Yin affinity and was able to use Enton. The elements are perfect opposites but Sasuke doesn't actually combine his affinities to make a KKG like Hashi would.


The flame ignites when the eye has its target marked, but from what I understand it doesn't actually ignite but rather gets summoned instead, because the users were never said to combine their nature affinities.
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So where does Amaterasu come from considering Mokuton originates from the Juubi's body and Sharingan from its eye ?

I think what the Mangekyo does is summon the flame from a different world/dimension as Obito proved that dimensions can be linked with dojutsu. The ability to summon the flame would basically derive from Kaguya's ability to summon dimensions which I will elaborate on.
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BZ described Amaterasu as a "fire from Hell".
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The statement caught my attention because one of the Rinnegan's summons is the King of Hell. Nagato named the Path 'Naraka' which happens to be the Sanskrit word for 'Underworld', a term used to describe 'Hell' in Christian religion
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However, the 'Underworld' is also known as the "Pure World" in NV because that's where the dead go regardless of whether they're good or bad, coincidentally, the King of Hell grants Outer Path the ability to summon souls from the "Pure World"
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Hagoromo's ability to summon souls from the after life suggests that he may have been linked with the Pure World in the same manner Kaguya was linked to her dimensions, it also suggests that Kaguya may have been linked to it as well since she was the Juubi.

The 9 tomoe on the JuubiJin's back could be said to represent 9 dimensions linked to Kaguya's eye however, we've only seen 6 of them so far. It's likely that the Pure World is one of the remaining 3 dimensions we haven't seen hence why Hago's dojutsu has control over it.
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Indra's jutsu might have derived from Kaguya's ability to shift spaces, along with his father's control over the King of Hell and his JuubiJin predecessors having their dojutsu linked with the realm of the dead.

The flame is said to represent a "Material World of Light" which sounds like an accurate description of the after life. I think what MS does is "shift" the flames from the Pure World, similar to how Kaguya would for example shift a portion of Lava from her dimension instead of a whole ocean.
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She is just saying he is Indra's transmigrant and he has Amaterasu...not that Indra had Amaterasu.

She saw Sasuke use Amaterasu earlier.

Sadly, Kishi didn't reveal much about Indra's abilities.
 

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Yeah I always figured it was hell fire because when the king of hell is summoned the flames around him in the manga are the same as Amaterasu in the anime they change it but the manga it is drawn exactly like Amaterasu.
 

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Yeah I always figured it was hell fire because when the king of hell is summoned the flames around him in the manga are the same as Amaterasu in the anime they change it but the manga it is drawn exactly like Amaterasu.
Yeah I noticed that too, it's one of the reasons I made the theory :yeah:
 

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She is just saying he is Indra's transmigrant and he has Amaterasu...not that Indra had Amaterasu.

She saw Sasuke use Amaterasu earlier.

Sadly, Kishi didn't reveal much about Indra's abilities.
Indra was just said to create ninjustus, I guess that shows how broad his abilities are.
My guess is the uchiha kinjustus
 

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The 9 tomoe on the JuubiJin's back could be said to represent 9 dimensions linked to Kaguya's eye however, we've only seen 6 of them so far.
Nine Dimensions are :-

1 - Kamui Realm
2 - Pure Land Realm
3 - NarutoVerse Realm
4 - Ice Realm
5 - Lava Realm
6 - Acid Realm
7 - Desert Realm
8 - Gravity Realm
9 - Mountain/Core Dimension Realm
 

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Nine Dimensions are :-

1 - Kamui Realm
2 - Pure Land Realm
3 - NarutoVerse Realm
4 - Ice Realm
5 - Lava Realm
6 - Acid Realm
7 - Desert Realm
8 - Gravity Realm
9 - Mountain/Core Dimension Realm
You beat me to it:lmao:

The 9 worlds/dimensions was where i thought Kishi was leading with the Shinju(Yggdrasil) and Kaguya.

But, he stopped short.

The Pure-world,Kamui Dimension, and Nv Earth could complete it though...with chakra replacing the Bifrost bridge that links them all:hmm:

1-Asgard-The pure world
2-Alfheim: Home of the Light Elves- Desert Dimension
3-Vanaheim: Home of the Vanir-Acid Dimension
4-Midgard-NV Earth
5-Jotunheim: Home of the Giants- Mountain/Root Dimension
6-Svartalfheim: Home of the Dark Elves-Kamui Dimension
7-Nidavellir: Home of the Dwarves- Gravity Dimension
8-Muspelheim: The Land of Fire-Lava Dimension
9-Niflheim: The World of Fog and Mist-Ice Dimension

Bifrost-Chakra
Shinjuu-Yggdrasil




When it comes to Amaterasu itself...your theory of it's origin makes sense, but doubt Kishi will ever elaborate.
 
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Amazing theory.
Thanks :yeah:

Or maybe she just received the information from bz who relayed all that he learned to her?
I doubt it cause it looked like Kaguya was thinking rather than BZ talking

Good theory. It would also explain the bleeding since the eye obviously doesn't take any damage with EMS or Rinnegan and we know that blood is required for summoning.
Too bad I can't rep you for now. :/
Now that I think of it, it is weird that his eye was bleeding even though he had EMS and Rikudou chakra, it's kinda like how Obito's eye was bleeding when opening Kaguya's dimensions even though he had Byakogou's full power and the Gedo's chakra. The bleeding would further imply that Amaterasu was from another dimension. :yeah:

Nine Dimensions are :-

1 - Kamui Realm
2 - Pure Land Realm
3 - NarutoVerse Realm
4 - Ice Realm
5 - Lava Realm
6 - Acid Realm
7 - Desert Realm
8 - Gravity Realm
9 - Mountain/Core Dimension Realm
Completely agree on this

Nice thread, best ive seen in a while but ...


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The thing is Sasuke doesn't combine his nature affinities to ignite Amaterasu like Hashirama would combine his to make Mokuton. It implies that Amaterasu isn't produced by his Sharingan but more like summoned from another world (not saying MS Sasuke can teleport).

You beat me to it:lmao:

The 9 worlds/dimensions was where i thought Kishi was leading with the Shinju(Yggdrasil) and Kaguya.

But, he stopped short.

The Pure-world,Kamui Dimension, and Nv Earth could complete it though...with chakra replacing the Bifrost bridge that links them all:hmm:

1-Asgard-The pure world
2-Alfheim: Home of the Light Elves- Desert Dimension
3-Vanaheim: Home of the Vanir-Acid Dimension
4-Midgard-NV Earth
5-Jotunheim: Home of the Giants- Mountain/Root Dimension
6-Svartalfheim: Home of the Dark Elves-Kamui Dimension
7-Nidavellir: Home of the Dwarves- Gravity Dimension
8-Muspelheim: The Land of Fire-Lava Dimension
9-Niflheim: The World of Fog and Mist-Ice Dimension

Bifrost-Chakra
Shinjuu-Yggdrasil




When it comes to Amaterasu itself...your theory of it's origin makes sense, but doubt Kishi will ever elaborate.
I would triple rep you if I could, completely agree on your interpretation. Kaguya's dimension shift kinda portrays her body being linked to the worlds like the Yggdrasil, and as the Juubi her body is also made of Mokuton like a tree.

I think if Kishi decides to milk more money in the future and decides to take the alien villains/dbz route he should elaborate on these sort of topics. I always enjoyed his references to mythology :yeah:
 
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