Am I the only one that actually likes TNJ?

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I understand everybody's points in saying that a villain should not be naively deceived and follow Naruto's words. But aren't they being naive just by being too stubborn? To me TNJ is a deep message, showing that there's human in everybody, (yes, even Orochimaru). I do though however wish that Kishi could make a villain stay evil. I'm perfectly fine with Obito being TNJ'd as I want to see Team Minato fight together again, but Madara and Oro, I want to stay as Villains, specifically Oro. But yeah, who else like the concepts of a villain having a change of heart?
 

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Ok please tell me ur being serious? TNJ sucked ever since nagato got owned via talk no jutsu mixed with a friggin book, a guy who was in known as god and was known invincible got solo'd by words .....hell. Fuk. No

^let me edit this here, it sucked since the beginning, from the first talk no jutsu user naruto> zabuza
 

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Yeah, just you.
 

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guess ur pretty much on ur own buddy :sweat:
 

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Am i the only one who thinks that you are the only one.
 

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...You deserve to be burned alive for even saying you like TNJ, witch!
 

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Ok please tell me ur being serious? TNJ sucked ever since nagato got owned via talk no jutsu mixed with a friggin book, a guy who was in known as god and was known invincible got solo'd by words .....hell. Fuk. No

^let me edit this here, it sucked since the beginning, from the first talk no jutsu user naruto> zabuza

Well Nagato was just a villain to set up Tsuki no me, and showed Naruto that he still needs to get rid of the hatred in his heart, so in a way it was neccesary.
 

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I think the problem I have with it is the very idea you brought up: it shows that there's human in everyone, and that because of this, they'll always turn "good." But the world isn't black and white like that; a lot of the time in disagreements, one side isn't totally good or bad, and villains can retain a strong element of humanity without letting go of their position or beliefs. Not to mention, plenty of negative emotions like fear, anger, hatred, resentment, etc. are all human in nature to begin with. If someone truly believes that what they are doing is right, or at the very least isn't morally wrong, it's silly for them to change their opinion just because some guy keeps repeating it to them. That's not the way it works in the real world.
 

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oh... TNJ is Talk no jutsu.
Pardon me and continue with your discussion.
This is for the benefit of those who like me are wondering what TNJ is.
 

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Well Nagato was just a villain to set up Tsuki no me, and showed Naruto that he still needs to get rid of the hatred in his heart, so in a way it was neccesary.

So talk no jutsu was kishi's last option? Gimme a friggin break
 

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i like it too but not in all situations.
 

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So talk no jutsu was kishi's last option? Gimme a friggin break

Hm...... Nagato telling people what to do = Talk no jutsu... Without talk no jutsu there is no Manga.

Kishi's last option was to make Nagato go down like a Hero.
 

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No, you aren't, I like it too. I also liked the Izanami part. I also don't care about power levels. Call me a heretic all you want, I'm used to it :p
 

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So talk no jutsu was kishi's last option? Gimme a friggin break

He did it to show the whole 'child of the prophecy' concept of Jiraiya's students. He brought up the idea again when Nagato was Edo tensei'd, as Jiraiya was the masterpiece, Nagato was a failure, and Naruto is the redemption.
 
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