ALL The Hokages messed up at some point

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You're wrong on almost everything.
Hashirama did believe in force, he just didn't like using it. He killed Plenty of Uchiha in the wars. He also did stop Madara. By Killing him.

Minato wasn't in charge of Obito then, Kakashi was, Minato was busy soling a war. He also chose to save the entire village while Kushina and him sacrificed themselves.

Tsunade wasn't even in the village then, let alone Hokage. Also she did protect the village from ST, saving a majority of the lives.

hashirama passed out the bijuu as if they couldn't shoot out nukes at a whim and for some reason thought people would not use them as a weapon BIG MISTAKE.

minato did mess up his team was still his responsibility that's why he came to save them. plus he didn't even try to use his sensing to see if obito was still alive... im sure he would've noticed both him and madara they were right under him! him dying to save the village wasn't to bad of a thing I gues..

tsunade failed miserably. sasuke defected to the worse criminal ever(at the time) and she sent genin to get him. let naruto go out to fight the same people trying to capture him multiple times. let pain destroy the village entirely and no she didn't save "most" of the villagers only a few because nagato had to revive a sht ton of people.
 

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It's not fair in Minato's case.

It's already been established that most of it was planned by Madara behind Minato's back. He barely had control over it and actually still saved Kakashi and Rin from the attackers.

"minato cant be in two places at once" doesn't he know shadow clone jutsu?
 

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she failed to do her job and that is a mistake.

Tell me which other Hokage candidate in the village would've done a better job. Kakashi? their first choice got wasted by Deva. Danzo? Left the people to die.

Tsunades basically the most fearless, mentally strong and Hokage-mentality Hokage there's been.
 

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Tsunade is the only Hokage that does not have the ability to prevent Chou ST.

She had better protection for people against it than other kage though.

How could Minato or Tobirama have stopped it? Or Hiruzen?
Hashirama is the only one capable of stopping it in my opinion.
 

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None at all, heck even if hashi was there it'd be entirely too late to stop pain from almighty pushing all the buildings/shinobi.
Regardless of how much power he had, if pain was to just hover over the leaf and do that it'd already be over for the village/shinobi.

It never gets old that one would think someone could think anyone of the hokage would be able to sense him and stop him fast enough from doing something that requires a split second whilst over 40 meters in the air....

Hashirama wouldnt have been able to stop Pain in the air? LooooL, 1000 Hand Buddha statue begs to differ, any wood style jutsu could've stopped Pain multiple times
 

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She had better protection for people against it than other kage though.

How could Minato or Tobirama have stopped it? Or Hiruzen?
Hashirama is the only one capable of stopping it in my opinion.

And even he wouldn't be able to just stop it if Pain randomly flew over and destroyed the village in a second. Tsunade best Kage.
 

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She had better protection for people against it than other kage though.

How could Minato or Tobirama have stopped it? Or Hiruzen?
Hashirama is the only one capable of stopping it in my opinion.
Minato, Tobirama, and Hiruzen all would have fought Pain as soon as he entered the village, preventing him from using it.
 

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I disagree with all of your points! It's true that the Hokages made mistakes but these big mistakes are just because of Zetsu.

1. Madara leaves the village and attacked Konoha because of the Uchiha Tablet and we know that Zetsu rewrite this for his own purpose. So, it isn't Hashis fault.

Everything what happend is black Zetus fault. No more no less!
 

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Hashirama wouldnt have been able to stop Pain in the air? LooooL, 1000 Hand Buddha statue begs to differ, any wood style jutsu could've stopped Pain multiple times

So your telling me if pain was to just float over the village and use almighty push over 40 meters above the ground hashi would be able to sense and stop him fast enough?

Basically the scene is you've never even gotten the chance to view him use his justu.

How would hashi stop someone who he isn't aware of 40 meters above the village who's gonna destroy the village with one blow under a split second exactly?
 

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How is it Tsunade's fault she couldn't stop Pain when she was simply outclassed? And even with her last remaining dregs of chakra, she still tried to save everyone, and if it wasn't for her summoning Katsuyu, Naruto wouldn't have beat Pain. The only mistake she made as a Hokage was letting Jiraiya go and that was only because of Jiraiya insisting to do so. She's made next to no mistakes as a Hokage.
 

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Minato, Tobirama, and Hiruzen all would have fought Pain as soon as he entered the village, preventing him from using it.

And without intel they would've all lost against him. They would be easier for Deva to defeat than Tsunade for god's sake.

Danzo killed the frog that was supposed to get Naruto back from Myoboku. Tsunade thought he was coming back soon with his brand new sage mode.
 

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"minato cant be in two places at once" doesn't he know shadow clone jutsu?

First off, I'm not the one who said that. If he had gone to save Obito people would complain about how he abandoned the front line and let Konoha lose that battle.

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Does this look like a comfortable place to make a Kage Bunshin? The enemies even said ''Let's go all out''. Also:

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We have no idea when Minato was ''alerted''. It might've been after Obito was crushed.

Edit: Last but not least: Everything that happpened after that was beyond Minato's control.

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I disagree with all of your points! It's true that the Hokages made mistakes but these big mistakes are just because of Zetsu.

1. Madara leaves the village and attacked Konoha because of the Uchiha Tablet and we know that Zetsu rewrite this for his own purpose. So, it isn't Hashis fault.

Everything what happend is black Zetus fault. No more no less!

Not in Hiruzen's case, Oro is irrelevant to the stone.
The third basically achieved nothing but protecting Naruto & Sasuke in their up most youth, and sealed Oro.
He isn't bad, he's actually great for what he tried to defend, but where he screwd up at was the uchiha massacre.
Otherwise he's great besides feats, his only downfall is feats pretty much...
 

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So your telling me if pain was to just float over the village and use almighty push over 40 meters above the ground hashi would be able to sense and stop him fast enough?

Basically the scene is you've never even gotten the chance to view him use his justu.

How would hashi stop someone who he isn't aware of 40 meters above the village who's gonna destroy the village with one blow under a split second exactly?

You are forgetting Hashirama and Tobirama are Sensory Ninjas as well. Hashirama can use a wood defense to cover the village from Almight Push. Though it would drain his chakra maybe
 

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You are forgetting Hashirama and Tobirama are Sensory Ninjas as well. Hashirama can use a wood defense to cover the village from Almight Push. Though it would drain his chakra maybe
Assuming that could take place in a split second?
The best part is just how fast will they even sense him?
 

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Assuming that could take place in a split second?
The best part is just how fast will they even sense him?

I thought Pain talked to Tsunade before blowing up the village and Tsunade chased after him. How th hell is Hashi going to just stand there and let Pain go into the air and let tje village explode? He doesnt need to sense him if he already sees him.
 
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