All problems in this manga comes from 1 thing!

[UltimateDeadpool]

Indeed, the Sharingan is the cause for all the problems in the Narutoverse.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Indeed, the Sharingan is the cause for all the problems in the Narutoverse.

Rinnegan has a fair share of the issues too :')

 

[gravarq]

well i loved your thread. but there is one simple think that i'm not sure, because i stiil am a believer. well, hmm the one thing that keeps screwing up the anime is about the focus and importance gived to eye techniques.ok i agree. but at the same time i just think that the eye techniques is not so important!! we fans are the ones that love to wait what's gonna happen, so we feed from this kind of thing.at the moment it's just natural for most of people to see awesomeness devil and good brotherhood. well what i was saying: the only thing that lacks people consciousness about naruto series is not processing the information. if we do so, we see that eye techniques are a power that require the user to be the first, the surprise, the genius, the outskirt, = suffer voluntarily or not. So it seems to me that it's just a matter of making the other characters think a little about their jutsus and learn how to evolve them and stop with the all concept love and brotherhood of senju and naruto. It's great the love and all but at same time it's the same thing that keeps screwing the anime. So it's the incompatiblity between the two factions (i say: alone cursed and love cursed) that makes the series entertaining. One can't go along with others because it's gonna show his powers and weakpoints and that would teach others how to evolve their techniques.The other can't be alone meditating or thinking about himself because it's gonna pee his pants if doesn't have support and a learning way. So if you see that eye techniques (sharingan and rinnegan) has too much importance, i agree, but it's only the way of the anime. It started with many teorys, at shunin exams and all, but it was slowly closing up the range of sight. For the anime be more like you would like, i think that the real adversary for the sharingan and rinnegan would be byakugan. they would learn a lot with each other and it would be a most fair fight. But byakugan should evolve too, so it seems impossible in the anime right now. kishimoto is playing the storyline just to capture our atention, making other characters weaker and making big fuss about the herobrats and the devilbrats. cool i like it but i hate it too, so i understand. if we see the final resolution of each uchiha known in the most crucial fase of each one, we can see that: itachi, sasuke, obito,... are all bad and then they turn good or are good with bad life,... and that make us see through... that uchiha are not so strong. when the time comes they change. it's a matter of balance between our perception of evil/good and the story itself. You would like more diversity and less dichotomy, but that would just favor people with luck in living and training, without any physical objective wether it's in the story line or in the fan viewer mind. the anime grew up too quickly for you.maybe it should have exploit more. but maybe not.there is a balance between world and kishimoto and he is exploiting it too well for now. (sorry for my english)

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Eyes and Beasts man.

Biju and Sharingan/Rinnegan are ridiculously overpowered.

To me Jinchuuriki seem fine to me? They're a huge burden and you have to really earn the powers of a juubi, even if you're lucky enough to get one, nobody really wants a tailed beast unless its for a sake of duty or not their choice. It took Naruto 16 years to earn kuramas trust, that's longer than any Uchiha spent on any of their techniquesX

 

[Silverblade]

Yeah I agree OP.

Those god damn eyes are overpowered.

Sadly they cannot copy the awesomeness of Rock/Lee Gates, Minato's FTG, Naruto's Rasenshuriken, Hashirama's jutsus, sage mode, etc..

Stuff that requires a ridiculous amount of training.

The Sharingan cannot replace hardwork.

However, the Rinnengan rewards the user for their hardwork. 5 Elements and a plethora of jutsu to use at hand. Mainly Any jutsu like Ibiki said.

 

[closecombat22]

Rinnegan has a fair share of the issues too :')

im cool with the rinnegan

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

im cool with the rinnegan

Only because the rinnegan is so rare, I agree the rinnegan is pretty decent- it's still an offender but less so than the sharing an.

 

[Stark]

Yeah in someways you're right, I actually agreed with you on something, you who has such hate for Itachi.

 

[ILikeBigYolos]

Amazing thread. Enough said.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Yeah in someways you're right, I actually agreed with you on something, you who has such hate for Itachi.

Yeah in someways you're right, I actually agreed with you on something, you who has such hate for Itachi.

To be fair this thread IS totally unbiased, didn't bring Itachi into it at all, and to he honest, my second favourite character Tobi has both the sharingan AND the rinnegan.

 

[ShiningStar]

I do agree with the majority of your posts OP, but I do have something else that can be considered a major catalyst to the events of the manga. I posted this in another thread concerning Madara, but I feel as it could be relevant here as well. I apologise in advance, Tobirama fans.

If anything, I'd have to say that Tobirama Senju is responsible for most of the current arc's issues. How so? Allow me to explain. Now Madara, although he was arrogant, he was a pretty sane guy as a kid. Like Hashirama, he was tired of the constant wars. During Hashirama's flashback, Madara stated that he had four brothers including Izuna. However, because of the constant battles, he lost three of them, only leaving him and Izuna. That led to Madara being overprotective of him. Madara didn't begin to snap until Tobirama killed Izuna during battle. Izuna died telling Madara not to listen to the Senju's lies.

Noting that, Madara had no intentions on listening to Hashirama due to his brother's death. The only way he would is if Hashirama killed himself or Tobirama to understand Madara's pain. Once Hashirama intended on killing himself, was when Madara formed a truce. Now realise, everything was going fine with the truce until the decision to choose a Hokage. Hashirama suggested that Madara be made Hokage, however Tobirama felt that Madara can't be trusted and said that the people should choose, knowing Madara wouldn't be chosen. When Madara overheard this, THAT was when he snapped and betrayed the village, KNOWING that Tobirama would be appointed after Hashirama and would use his power to subjugate the Uchiha clan. And Tobirama did just that.

Had Tobirama not killed Izuna, disregard Hashirama's wishes to make Madara Hokage, or use his power to subjugate the Uchiha, Madara would have never went haywire and defect from the village. Thus avoiding ALL of the manga's issues.

I apologise for the long post, but please take the time to read it, as I feel that it needs to be said.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I do agree with the majority of your posts OP, but I do have something else that can be considered a major catalyst to the events of the manga. I posted this in another thread concerning Madara, but I feel as it could be relevant here as well. I apologise in advance, Tobirama fans.

If anything, I'd have to say that Tobirama Senju is responsible for most of the current arc's issues. How so? Allow me to explain. Now Madara, although he was arrogant, he was a pretty sane guy as a kid. Like Hashirama, he was tired of the constant wars. During Hashirama's flashback, Madara stated that he had four brothers including Izuna. However, because of the constant battles, he lost three of them, only leaving him and Izuna. That led to Madara being overprotective of him. Madara didn't begin to snap until Tobirama killed Izuna during battle. Izuna died telling Madara not to listen to the Senju's lies.

Noting that, Madara had no intentions on listening to Hashirama due to his brother's death. The only way he would is if Hashirama killed himself or Tobirama to understand Madara's pain. Once Hashirama intended on killing himself, was when Madara formed a truce. Now realise, everything was going fine with the truce until the decision to choose a Hokage. Hashirama suggested that Madara be made Hokage, however Tobirama felt that Madara can't be trusted and said that the people should choose, knowing Madara wouldn't be chosen. When Madara overheard this, THAT was when he snapped and betrayed the village, KNOWING that Tobirama would be appointed after Hashirama and would use his power to subjugate the Uchiha clan. And Tobirama did just that.

Had Tobirama not killed Izuna, disregard Hashirama's wishes to make Madara Hokage, or use his power to subjugate the Uchiha, Madara would have never went haywire and defect from the village. Thus avoiding ALL of the manga's issues.

I apologise for the long post, but please take the time to read it, as I feel that it needs to be said.

Im not talking about who caused the bad things that are happening now, I'm speaking from a writers viewpoint.

 

[RNITBmsage]

we could just blame it all on the uchihas

 

[ShiningStar]

Im not talking about who caused the bad things that are happening now, I'm speaking from a writers viewpoint.

Oh, my apologies. I agree with your viewpoints nonetheless.

 

[closecombat22]

Only because the rinnegan is so rare, I agree the rinnegan is pretty decent- it's still an offender but less so than the sharing an.

i mean come dude it is the eyez of the sage himself its meant to be broken a little

 

[closecombat22]

I do agree with the majority of your posts OP, but I do have something else that can be considered a major catalyst to the events of the manga. I posted this in another thread concerning Madara, but I feel as it could be relevant here as well. I apologise in advance, Tobirama fans.

If anything, I'd have to say that Tobirama Senju is responsible for most of the current arc's issues. How so? Allow me to explain. Now Madara, although he was arrogant, he was a pretty sane guy as a kid. Like Hashirama, he was tired of the constant wars. During Hashirama's flashback, Madara stated that he had four brothers including Izuna. However, because of the constant battles, he lost three of them, only leaving him and Izuna. That led to Madara being overprotective of him. Madara didn't begin to snap until Tobirama killed Izuna during battle. Izuna died telling Madara not to listen to the Senju's lies.

Noting that, Madara had no intentions on listening to Hashirama due to his brother's death. The only way he would is if Hashirama killed himself or Tobirama to understand Madara's pain. Once Hashirama intended on killing himself, was when Madara formed a truce. Now realise, everything was going fine with the truce until the decision to choose a Hokage. Hashirama suggested that Madara be made Hokage, however Tobirama felt that Madara can't be trusted and said that the people should choose, knowing Madara wouldn't be chosen. When Madara overheard this, THAT was when he snapped and betrayed the village, KNOWING that Tobirama would be appointed after Hashirama and would use his power to subjugate the Uchiha clan. And Tobirama did just that.

Had Tobirama not killed Izuna, disregard Hashirama's wishes to make Madara Hokage, or use his power to subjugate the Uchiha, Madara would have never went haywire and defect from the village. Thus avoiding ALL of the manga's issues.

I apologise for the long post, but please take the time to read it, as I feel that it needs to be said.

dude stop hateing and lieing

 

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[Kirin Rei]

To me Jinchuuriki seem fine to me? They're a huge burden and you have to really earn the powers of a juubi, even if you're lucky enough to get one, nobody really wants a tailed beast unless its for a sake of duty or not their choice. It took Naruto 16 years to earn kuramas trust, that's longer than any Uchiha spent on any of their techniquesX

I think the bijuu were the sole reason Sharingan got so OP in the first place. Sasuke needed some sort of über haxx power up to be able to keep up with Naruto. You know, due to the whole rival thingy going on. As you mentioned before; deus ex machina.

I honestly don't have much of a problem regarding the MS. Sure, it's OP but Sasuke was bound to gain something like it to be able to face Naruto + Kurama.
It's like a deal with the devil. In order to gain it you have to perform an unspeakable act. You use the power and pay the price. The best part of it is; it's temporary!

EMS, on the other hand, shouldn't even exist. I hate the blasted thing three ways to hell and back. Such ridiculous power should come at a cost. Those who choose to obtain an EMS don't even have a bloody conscience to begin with, considering they're fine with poking out their siblings' eyes. What kind of emotional toll can it take on them?!

Rinnegan would have been fine with me if it was a one time thing only used in the Pein Arc. Sure, it was OP but Naruto somehow managed to best Nagato and that was that. Now, two out of the three boss villains have it. Bloody hell.

No one without a damn bijuu sealed inside them can go against a doujutsu wielder, sans Byakugan, and live to tell the tale. It goes against the message Kishi keeps trying to convey: ''Work hard, don't give up and you'll make it.''
Work hard my arse. :|

 

[rollin]

The whole naruto plot is about the sages elder and younger sons descendants finding peace their own way so of course the strongest Justus come from the uchiha they're the main antagonists

 

[Amaterasuice]

Great thread man! Some of my favorite characters have Sharingan/Rinnegan (Sasuke, Itachi, Nagato), but I agree completely. But to be fair, Sasuke needed to have a chance to compete with Naruto lol.

Dojutsu started from boosting your alertness, to creating Moons and taking Souls... Wtf?

"Well THAT escalated quickly!"

That's going to be my sig. XD