Alive Healthy Itachi vs. Alive Minato

[Oblivionx]

No, Base Raikage's reaction speed was compared to Minato's.

oh okay. Though that doesn't make sense i mean by feats. Can you show me the scan. I can't find that scan.

 

[Оdin]

Minato wins.

 

[NarutoX28]

oh okay. Though that doesn't make sense i mean by feats. Can you show me the scan. I can't find that scan.

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I'll elaborate if need be.

 

[Oblivionx]

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I'll elaborate if need be.

is this accurate translation? and yes i'll like that eleboration since by feats minato has better reactions than base Ay or so i think.

 

[BLAZE]

is this accurate translation?

yes that is VIZ

keep cherry picking what you want and don't want to accept from the Databooks and manga and creating your own fanfiction ideas

The irony though :lol

 

[Oblivionx]

yes that is VIZ

i'd still like that elaboration though since i still think cee was talking about v1 Ay.

 

[BLAZE]

i'd still like that elaboration though since i still think cee was talking about v1 Ay.

really since i read the scan thrice i think its pretty clear he is talking about base raikage

 

[NarutoX28]

is this accurate translation? and yes i'll like that eleboration since by feats minato has better reactions than base Ay or so i think.

Cee - "Lord Raikage's nerve transmission speed and his reaction speed are on par with Konoha's Yellow Flash ... impressive that they're keep up as well as they are. But Lord Raikage has manipulated ration chakra to augment his reflexes! Not even the Sharingan will be able to keep up with him."

Cee was referring to Base Raikage because he uses the word, "But" to introduce something that contrast something that already precedes it. The perspicuous contrast is that Cee acknowledges Lord Raikage's Base Reaction Speed as being equivalent to Minato's and then uses that as a basis to further emphasize Lord Raikage's reaction speed. If his reactions are already God-like in Base, then he must be Legendary with Raiton Chakra.

He's simply transitioning from Base --> Raiton Cloak.

 

[BLAZE]

Cee - "Lord Raikage's nerve transmission speed and his reaction speed are on par with Konoha's Yellow Flash ... impressive that they're keep up as well as they are. But Lord Raikage has manipulated ration chakra to augment his reflexes! Not even the Sharingan will be able to keep up with him."

Cee was referring to Base Raikage because he uses the word, "But" to introduce something that contrast something that already precedes it. The perspicuous contrast is that Cee acknowledges Lord Raikage's Base Reaction Speed as being equivalent to Minato's and then uses that as a basis to further emphasize Lord Raikage's reaction speed. If his reactions are already God-like in Base, then he must be Legendary with Raiton Chakra.

He's simply transitioning from Base --> Raiton Cloak.

yeah "plus there is" is basically foreshadowing of v2

 

[Tantalus Thief]

amaterasu gg

 

[Oblivionx]

really since i read the scan thrice i think its pretty clear he is talking about base raikage

Cee - "Lord Raikage's nerve transmission speed and his reaction speed are on par with Konoha's Yellow Flash ... impressive that they're keep up as well as they are. But Lord Raikage has manipulated ration chakra to augment his reflexes! Not even the Sharingan will be able to keep up with him."

Cee was referring to Base Raikage because he uses the word, "But" to introduce something that contrast something that already precedes it. The perspicuous contrast is that Cee acknowledges Lord Raikage's Base Reaction Speed as being equivalent to Minato's and then uses that as a basis to further emphasize Lord Raikage's reaction speed. If his reactions are already God-like in Base, then he must be Legendary with Raiton Chakra.

He's simply transitioning from Base --> Raiton Cloak.

allow me to read it in a different way.
"Lord Raikage's nerve transmission speed and his reaction speed are on par with Konoha's Yellow Flash" says this when Ay was in v1 state. So it should imply he was talking about v1 Ay.
"But Lord Raikage has manipulated ration chakra to augment his reflexes! Not even the Sharingan will be able to keep up with him."
Here explains why Ay is able to have those reflexes. This but could mean that he meant to explain why Ay has such good reactions.
like i say "u r as good as me at reading english but you had 6 months extra course to learn it."
Not saying you guys are wrong, but u guys seems as wrong as me because we have minato with reaction feats that may be considered on par with v2 Ay let alone v1 Ay.

 

[NarutoX28]

allow me to read it in a different way.
"Lord Raikage's nerve transmission speed and his reaction speed are on par with Konoha's Yellow Flash" says this when Ay was in v1 state. So it should imply he was talking about v1 Ay.
"But Lord Raikage has manipulated ration chakra to augment his reflexes! Not even the Sharingan will be able to keep up with him."
Here explains why Ay is able to have those reflexes. This but could mean that he meant to explain why Ay has such good reactions.
like i say "u r as good as me at reading english but you had 6 months extra course to learn it."
Not saying you guys are wrong, but u guys seems as wrong as me because we have minato with reaction feats that may be considered on par with v2 Ay let alone v1 Ay.

The word "but" is being used to transition to Raikage's augmentation with Raiton Cloak which infers that Cee wasn't referring to Raiton Cloak previously. Your interpretation leads to a disjointed explanation because the word "but" is not used to further explain something, it's generally used to denote a perspicuous contrast, an objection, and other means as elaborated here:

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1.

a :* except for the fact <would have protested but that he was afraid>
b :* that —used after a negative <there is no doubt but he won>
c :* without the concomitant that <it never rains but it pours>
d :* if not :* unless
e :* than <no sooner started but it stopped> —not often in formal use

2.

a :* on the contrary :* on the other hand :* notwithstanding —used to connect coordinate elements <he was called but he did not answer> <not peace but a sword>
b :* yet <poor but proud>
c :* with the exception of —used before a word often taken to be the subject of a clause <none but the brave deserves the fair — John Dryden>

I'm not sure, but I need you to give refer to which definition pertained to Cee's usage of it. Contextually, it made more sense to denote a contrast between Raikage's natural reflexes and Raikage's Raiton augmented reactions based on the constant emphasis on his speed.

 

[Haizaki]

-Denies just about everything in the Databooks that doesn't fit their arguments.
-Accepts something in the Databooks that fits their argument.
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Salty I see LOL

You can't pick and choose what's true in the Databooks and what's not. There is nothing that can rival teleportation. It is an infinite speed. Zero time passes when Minato teleports. Your DB entry says itself that it's not comparable with the regular shunshin so Ay cannot possibly be ever compared to FTG because infinite speed (instant) is far beyond him. He can never rival FTG... and yet his DB entry says he has speed to rival the Yellow Flash. Cee states his speed and reflexes are on par with the Yellow Flash. Reflexes aren't jutsu, they're physical movements.

You don't seem to know what you're talking about here and I'll give you multiple reasons why your logic doesn't matter.

DB specifically states the reason for his alias, The Yellow Flash was because of FTG and Cee states AY IS on par with the Yellow Flash(FTG involved) and FTG is what he's known for so Cee won't have made such a statement if he hadn't consider that teleportation aspect because there's no comparison in such a case, you need strong proof FTG wasn't involved in Cee's statement. That alone takes care of your post as a whole. Why bother? Whether or not you can't rival teleportation doesn't concern me. What matters is how fast you react with the teleportation, Picture this:

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Minato would easily react had that been someone like Shino, Hinata or whoever. What matters is the person using FTG, teleportation can be instant but your reaction with it matters. Another example Tobirama and Minato:

- Tobirama shows better reaction speed against Juubito than BSM Minato despite both utilizing FTG.

re·flex\ˈrē-ˌfleks\
noun
: an action or movement of the body that happens automatically as a reaction to something

You should read this first.

Tobi seen his shunshin, not FTG, and said he lives up to his Yellow Flash nickname. KCM Naruto shunshin was said to be just like the Yellow Flahses by Bee, Tsunade, and Kakashi. All people who have witnessed Minatos shunshin as well. Again, one doesn't see Minato when he teleports, it's literally impossible to see instant. Streaks come from physical movements as the manga showed over and over and over and over again.

Wrong, in the Viz Tobi says leave it to the Yellow Flash:

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and Tobi's striking speed isn't something we can talk about here. Tobirama with his FTG reacted to Juubito while Minato enhanced with his BSM form failed to do so.

KCM point is irrelevant, his speed with Shunsin was compared to the Yellow Flash speed with FTG. Not Shunsin, your reason for it being Shunsin is ridiculous. Makes zero sense. Yellow Flash ultimate speed and why he has that name is due to FTG, FACTS(Draegod voice) and what you are trying to tell us is people are not referring to that aspect when they mention that name? LMAO outta here. That's based on nothing.

Tobirama was never renowned for speed and his FTG is just as fast as Minatos. Tobirama was never called a white flash or blue flash. Tobirama is hailed as the fastest of his era, Minato is hailed as the fastest in history. Common sense tells you this isn't FTG because they're equal in that aspect. Ay said he the fastest since Minato died but we know he isn't faster than Genma and company since they can preform FTG so again, common sense tells us he isn't talking about FTG.

Lmao dude? Please. Tobirama's time was way before Minato's. He wasn't really even known for FTG seeing as people thought Minato created the Jutsu:

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Minato was the one known for the Jutsu because of his use of it and because his era was way way after Tobirama's Era hence the people who witnessed Minato constantly hyping it for the kids like Naruto.

Tobirama was on par with BSM Minato or even showed better reaction speed in some cases compared to him let alone Base. @bold, LMAO that makes no sense. This guy telling me Ay isn't faster than these two? You "obviously" don't know what you're talking about. Teleportation is teleportation but people's use of it matters.

Sasuke uses teleportation and so does Minato, who's faster? Sasuke teleports faster than Minato does. Both are not equal because they use teleportation.

This is a case where the manga shits on your argument and you run to the DB for support lol. All the evidence in the manga shits on your argument and there's no way around it so go ahead and keep cherry picking what you want and don't want to accept from the Databooks and manga and creating your own fanfiction ideas

This is a case where it hurts you so bad to realize your post is beyond wrong, both the Manga and Datebook are here to support me.

Not to mention Shunsin:

Body Flicker Technique (Shunshin no Jutsu)

Ninjutsu, D-rank, Supplementary

Users: Gaara, Hatake Kakashi, et al

A movement technique with extreme speed like a gust of wind!!

Appearing along with the wind, disappearing like the wind: the ninja’s instantaneous movement technique. This super fast movement is almost impossible to grasp with the naked eye. If seen by an ordinary person, it would seem as if the user has teleported… In reality, the user has vitalized his body with chakra and moved at super speeds. The amount of chakra used up differs depending on the distance and elevation of their stopping point in comparison to the starting point.

The cloud of sand dances in the wind…

Haku’s and Kakashi’s Body Flicker. Dancing leaves and disappearing in an instant like mist.

There are many variations of the Body Flicker for the various villages and user. Gaara’s use includes the Sand Body Flicker. There are also the Mist Body Flicker, Water Body Flicker, and Leaf Body Flicker, among many others.

Shunsin is not teleportation but can be mistaken for teleportation depending on speed of certain ninjas so you're wrong trying to tell me it's not comparable. Killer B witnessed Minato's FTG and said this after seeing Naruto's Shunsin:

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"Was that teleportation Jutsu? That was just like the "Yellow Flash!"" Crazy cuz when we saw Killer B, he only encountered Minato's FTG and not Shunsin. Oh now the Manga is against me? What I see here is the Manga and the DB going alongside the fact that FTG was the reason Minato was known for his nickname. What else?

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"That blonde hair, teleportation jutsu" "It's the Yellow flash!" What else?

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Ay was ultra confident that he could match Minato's FTG to the next Kunai with his Shunsin, as he was ready to react when Minato did. What else?

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Cee's statement LMAO..(People have argued for Base Ay), I have no reason to continue arguing with you if you're going to continue using these points.

 

[Oblivionx]

The word "but" is being used to transition to Raikage's augmentation with Raiton Cloak which infers that Cee wasn't referring to Raiton Cloak previously. Your interpretation leads to a disjointed explanation because the word "but" is not used to further explain something, it's generally used to denote a perspicuous contrast, an objection, and other means as elaborated here:

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I'm not sure, but I need you to give refer to which definition pertained to Cee's usage of it. Contextually, it made more sense to denote a contrast between Raikage's natural reflexes and Raikage's Raiton augmented reactions based on the constant emphasis on his speed.

well if you say so. I didn't use any dictionary and English isn't my first language. I was just trying to make sense of that statement relative to feats shown by both characters. Neither do i go that deep on words, since context is usually more important. It just doesn't make sense to me that base Ay has reactions equal to minato.

 

[NarutoX28]

well if you say so. I didn't use any dictionary and English isn't my first language. I was just trying to make sense of that statement relative to feats shown by both characters. Neither do i go that deep on words, since context is usually more important. It just doesn't make sense to me that base Ay has reactions equal to minato.

I didn't either, but I thought it was necessary when I was still confused on your application of the word because I felt that particular usage of it was unprecedented. I thought it was pretty explicit given that "but" should indicate that whatever preceded that word would be in reference to Base Raikage.

What feats in particular are making you skeptical about this?

 

[Oblivionx]

I didn't either, but I thought it was necessary when I was still confused on your application of the word because I felt that particular usage of it was unprecedented. I thought it was pretty explicit given that "but" should indicate that whatever preceded that word would be in reference to Base Raikage.

What feats in particular are making you skeptical about this?

minato reacted to obito's kamui warp. Minato reacted to jubito's kick from underground. He reacted to Ay himself. While Ay himself doesn't have any feat where he reacted to anything moving at his own speed. He got caught by susano against edo madara. MS sasuke counter attacked him with chidori. We saw Ay in 3 fights, and in all 3 fights, he got hit. But all these feats are of v2 Ay. KCM naruto is almost as fast as Ay in v2. And no one thinks Ay can react to KCM naruto without his armor. While minato would react to KCM naruto since he reacted to Ay himself. May be am thinking too much in to it. But if base Ay equaled minato in reactions then v2 Ay should have had godly reactions since lightning seems like a good element for boosting up neurons.

 

[Uchihakil]

Itaxhi does'nt even need Amaterasu cuz ama oneshots, well genjutsu also oneshots, so itachi low diff cuz minato without ftg facing someone with amaterasu is as good as dead (cuz he is NOT fast enough to avoid ama neither is his summons) and lol at the dude giving gamakichi as a summon minato can summon, when minato was alive gamakichi was'nt even born, not only that but itachi while sick burnt half the uchiha hideout with ama while using susano for an extended period as well as tsukiyomi, not only is he healthy here he also does'nt use the other chakra taxing moves, so they all get burnt