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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

it didn't give me the feels I had for the manga... I dunno, maybe I'm still hungup on 166's execution. :sweat:



The absence of honorifics from Neji's part when she called out to Hinata... I think that was a first?

Edit: it was the second.
 
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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

it didn't gave me the feels I had for the manga... I dunno, maybe I'm still hungup on 166's execution. :sweat:


The absence of honorifics from Neji's part when she called out to Hinata... I think that was a first?
Yeah, me too.

Speaking of which...Here's an interesting little something.

Naruto having trouble with a Byakugan user? Hinata's there for him.

Naruto having trouble with a Rinnegan user? Hinata's there for him.

Naruto having trouble with a Sharingan user? Hinata's there for him.

:bouncy:

Neji not calling Hinata by "sama" was probably a mistake -_-"
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Yeah, me too.

Speaking of which...Here's an interesting little something.

Naruto having trouble with a Byakugan user? Hinata's there for him.

Naruto having trouble with a Rinnegan user? Hinata's there for him.

Naruto having trouble with a Sharingan user? Hinata's there for him.

:bouncy:
what's next? XD

Neji not calling Hinata by "sama" was probably a mistake -_-"
I remember 166 now. When Hinata was lying on the ground and Neji came in, the honorifics wasn't there too.
 
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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Ok thank you...cause I just saw it and was thinking...yes Hinata through your hands together...because that is a brilliant defensive tactic.

I really liked the manga pose for it. Hinata was in the midst of fending someone off only to have more people jumping in from above. But here it was just sir palm this guy...and then act scared. I mean should Kiba have been so worried XD! The Hinata-Zetsu vs Iwa Man was better done XD!

I was thinking it was more like this.

Kiba mentions Hinata is in trouble...so she probably should have had more than one opponent aside from someone she one shots with ease...that or speed up the Kumo-Zetsu threat AKA have them airborn.

Hinata hits het last target while trying to spin against the Kumo-Zetsu, but one leg is losing balance as they jump in and hence her half kneel spin. Then I personally always saw Naruto jumping down as well. He lands just seconds before the Kumo's and saves the day!




And lol Hinata: Counters all eyes with her presence....also has Talk no jutsu...never let Hinata near Naruto if you're a top tier Dojutsu antagonist....YOU WILL LOSE (Neji....Pain).


And yeah we need more than just a rotation for Neji....LET'S EXPAND!
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Ok thank you...cause I just saw it and was thinking...yes Hinata through your hands together...because that is a brilliant defensive tactic.

I really liked the manga pose for it. Hinata was in the midst of fending someone off only to have more people jumping in from above. But here it was just sir palm this guy...and then act scared. I mean should Kiba have been so worried XD! The Hinata-Zetsu vs Iwa Man was better done XD!
She was supposed to be overwhelmed by the number of attackers, not get overwhelmed by 1 guy =D Agreed. Iwa man did justice to that Zetsu =D

I was thinking it was more like this.

Kiba mentions Hinata is in trouble...so she probably should have had more than one opponent aside from someone she one shots with ease...that or speed up the Kumo-Zetsu threat AKA have them airborn.

Hinata hits het last target while trying to spin against the Kumo-Zetsu, but one leg is losing balance as they jump in and hence her half kneel spin. Then I personally always saw Naruto jumping down as well. He lands just seconds before the Kumo's and saves the day!
Did you feel it was kinda rushed?




And lol Hinata: Counters all eyes with her presence....also has Talk no jutsu...never let Hinata near Naruto if you're a top tier Dojutsu antagonist....YOU WILL LOSE (Neji....Pain).


And yeah we need more than just a rotation for Neji....LET'S EXPAND!
ditto =D
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Honestly, I feel like kishi trying to reestablish neji as a "genius" after leaving him out for like 400 chapters of him doing nothing worthy of being called a genius was just horrible. Are you telling me this" genius" didn't learn any new move aside from aire palm in two years?

I also feel like the relationship of neji-Naruto and neji-lee was also forced and horrible done. I actually made a whole thread with all the things wrong with neji's death, there is a link to it in this thread's OP.
 
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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Honestly, I feel like kishi trying to reestablish neji as a "genius" after leaving him out for like 400 chapters of him doing nothing worthy of being called a genius was just horrible. Are you telling me this" genius" didn't learn any new move aside from aire palm in two years?

I also feel like the relationship of neji-Naruto and neji-lee was also forced and horrible done. I actually made a whole thread with all the things wrong with neji's death, there is a link to it in this thread's OP.
I actually totally agree, other characters besides Neji could've stood in front of Naruto and Hinata.
But I guess it was for Hyuga development, Neji's death could've been worse though, I'm happy that he died as a "hero" at least.
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Yeah, that's the best among the worst. But compare neji's death and the events leading up to it to jirsiya and kisame's death and the events leading up to their deaths. Big...no, HUGE difference.
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

She was supposed to be overwhelmed by the number of attackers, not get overwhelmed by 1 guy =D Agreed. Iwa man did justice to that Zetsu =D


Did you feel it was kinda rushed?






ditto =D
Ok...I feel like it was way to drawn out when it SHOULD have been rushed.


Kiba: Neji hurry! Hinata is...!!!

Gives me a sense of OH SHIT!

Next panel manga wise we do see that...Hinata getting a hit. Turns out to be a Zetsu.

Then the next time we see her, she's hit someone and is desperately trying to turn to face three closing in opponents.




That felt really quick time and fast action....but with the anime, Kiba says his line and it feels like 3/4 minutes pass before she's even in trouble. Which is because they only show one Guy and them three people airbrushing.


As a result I'm thinking...is Kiba just chasing these three guys on Akamaru?! Furthermore, how hasn't he caught up, thrown shuriken, and even worse why are these Zetsu speeding all the way across a battlefield for Hinata?

This scene should have been faster paced or else shown Hinata dealing with more than one guy to get a sense that for that entire rush scene, Hinata is in danger constantly...and that Neji's mistake was fatal.







As for Neji.....awful....now the way he died was epic....self sacrifice is the honorable death. But the problems.



1. Genius does nothing new...called a genius when he basically did what Hiashi told him to do....should have done it by himself...or shown a unique Kaiten.

2. He's suddenly Naruto's close friend....should've contributed an entire arc on the Hyuga...having Naruto help Hinata which Neji part II is very protective of....also considering its Hyuga, Naruto would be further helping the branches and thus helping Neji....Naruto seemed more shocked Neji died out of nowhere than he died as his actual friend.

3. Lee and his flashback comes out of nowhere...just another reason Kishi should have developed the K11

4. It's practically been forgotten and shamed upon with Sasuke's arrival.....Naruto is all smiles with Team 7....that's adversely understandable, but Hinata was poorly written. She's all about kindness and being gentle...instead of a serene or almost blankish/empty demeanor (like she was when she looked back during the Hokage debut) she's smiling trying to tell Kiba everyone wants to be Hokage.








I hope everyone else appreciated this 615 moment like I did...because this is all I could think when she took to the slap.

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Ok...I feel like it was way to drawn out when it SHOULD have been rushed.


Kiba: Neji hurry! Hinata is...!!!

Gives me a sense of OH SHIT!

Next panel manga wise we do see that...Hinata getting a hit. Turns out to be a Zetsu.

Then the next time we see her, she's hit someone and is desperately trying to turn to face three closing in opponents.




That felt really quick time and fast action....but with the anime, Kiba says his line and it feels like 3/4 minutes pass before she's even in trouble. Which is because they only show one Guy and them three people airbrushing.


As a result I'm thinking...is Kiba just chasing these three guys on Akamaru?! Furthermore, how hasn't he caught up, thrown shuriken, and even worse why are these Zetsu speeding all the way across a battlefield for Hinata?

This scene should have been faster paced or else shown Hinata dealing with more than one guy to get a sense that for that entire rush scene, Hinata is in danger constantly...and that Neji's mistake was fatal.
Yeah that scene was way too sluggish to seem "dangerous"


As for Neji.....awful....now the way he died was epic....self sacrifice is the honorable death. But the problems.

1. Genius does nothing new...called a genius when he basically did what Hiashi told him to do....should have done it by himself...or shown a unique Kaiten.
What has Neji shown the reader to validate his "genius" status before this chapter?! This is like if Samui popped up next chapter, died, then started preaching to Naruto how he has to save everyone while Bee constantly stated "But but but...Samui's has the most potential in Kumo..."
but many people including myself have been pretty pissed at Kishi on how he started strong with Neji and the Hyuuga in the beginning of Naruto and turn him into possible fodder now....

this death would have been immensely better if Kishimoto had actually given some panel time to Neji and the other rookies after the timeskip. It would have been that much more impactful. But, Kishimoto kinda just put all the Konoha Rookies on the back burner for part II and gave them little to no development. They specifically were the reasons I started watching the anime and eventually got started reading the manga. Shino, Kiba, Lee, Neji, Choji, Shikamaru, Sasuke (before he went emo), and Ino. These characters were AWESOME. And aside from Shikamaru's team, none of them got any real development in the second half of the manga, and I've stopped caring about them as a reader. And that's sad.

I believe it is CHEAP for Kishi to try to convey a theme he set in part 1 and shown no concurrence with in part 2. In part 1, it was established that Neji is a genius. HOW THE HELL HAS NEJI BEEN ABLE TO DISPLAY THAT HE IS SUCH A BADASS/GENIUS IN PART 2?!?!?

He hasn't. We're asked to suspend belief and imagine Neji has always been this genius since part 1. **** THAT! Neji was clearly used as a plot device...an obvious, rushed plot device and that's why readers such as myself hated the death.

2. He's suddenly Naruto's close friend....should've contributed an entire arc on the Hyuga...having Naruto help Hinata which Neji part II is very protective of....also considering its Hyuga, Naruto would be further helping the branches and thus helping Neji....Naruto seemed more shocked Neji died out of nowhere than he died as his actual friend.

3. Lee and his flashback comes out of nowhere...just another reason Kishi should have developed the K11

If you're going to randomly kill Neji, then just kill him! Trying to make Neji seem like such an important figure to Naruto now is just stupid...****ING STUPID. Naruto & Neji NEVER had this sort of bond that Kishimoto so DESPERATELY tried to show in 614. No, the only person he has this sort of relation with was Sasuke, and maybe Gaara. It's even worse when you realize that there has been multiple opportunities for Neji to discuss with Naruto about how much he's "saved him" and how he's "similar to Sasuke". Ex: When the rookies confronted Naruto

When the alliance showed up in all its greatness. Neji wasn't even on a panel. The times we did see him he was getting completely overwhelmed and his "genius" wasn't being portrayed at all. More like mocked and fodderized. Then suddenly he drops from the sky in the last chapter only to die a few pages later. It would have been nice if he had at the very least died in the next chapter after doing a few cool things this round. Whatever the reason, It made me laugh and say wtf?

And it's not like his actual death was handled any better. Hinata refers his dying words. We get Lee crying, and then Gai tells him to man up ....We were all expecting Gai to at least show some sadness, but NOTHING. And then what? 3 panels of Lee thinking about a conversation they had about Neji and him being rivals? Like I said about Kishimoto trying to FORCE a bond between Neji & Naruto that DOESN'T EXIST, he's trying to FORCE a RIVALRY between Lee and Neji that hasn't been brought up in the past 450+ chapters.


4. It's practically been forgotten and shamed upon with Sasuke's arrival.....Naruto is all smiles with Team 7....that's adversely understandable, but Hinata was poorly written. She's all about kindness and being gentle...instead of a serene or almost blankish/empty demeanor (like she was when she looked back during the Hokage debut) she's smiling trying to tell Kiba everyone wants to be Hokage.

Well, this I disagree with. While I do agree Hinata shouldn't be made siling (Naruto too somewhat) I think Neji's death will be focused on more some time later. I just have this weird feeling.
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Great !!! I would love to join The Hyuuga Clan after all, you're one the best debater I've ever seen, you totally deserve more respect and entitled to become the leader.

Thanks for sharing =D
 
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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Okay I just wanna say that I really dislike how the animators portray Hinata's character weather it be filler or cannon ..

I mean if you see how she is in the manga .. She's really much more determined, doesn't faint all too often .. And is more developed ..

In the anime she usually is more wimpy and is basically like how she was in part 1 .. I mean yes, she doesn't stutter like she did before .. But her look when she sees Naruto or whenever Naruto's name is brought she gets all shy and flustered .. And to be honest it's annoying ..

For example in the latest episode .. When Naruto saves her in the manga she looks really beat up and surprised that Naruto came out of no where .. But in the anime she hardly looks injured and she looks at Naruto like she wants his D ..

And in the manga she isn't always thinking of Naruto .. Like she actually gets work done .. But in the anime they exaggerate it so much .. Like no wonder people have a problem with that .. I mean it gets hella annoying ..


Of course this is my opinion though .. I do like Hinata .. And when she gets screen time in the anime it makes me happy .. But her portrayal in the manga is so much more better and IMO is more appealing ..


(Sorry for the spelling/ grammatical errors .. I typed this on my phone ..)
 
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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

^^^^I agree.
A lot of moments in the manga are freggin epic, but then when you see the anime, it's like they didn't even think the feeling and the details were important, like when Madara showed up? I didn't have the epic feeling like the manga.
The moment when Naruto saves Hinata, she wasn't all whimpy in the manga like you said, and those details matter because it shows even a little bit of development.
A lot of scenes didn't have a serious atmosphere when it was neededU_U
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

The anime ruins everyone's characters, especially naruto's in that one filler episode where Naruto talks to this girl about how he'll get in between sakwa chanz legs (this is after hinata's confession, sakura's fake confession, Sakura still showing love for Sasuke, and Naruto supporting sasusaku mind you.)
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

The anime ruins everyone's characters, especially naruto's in that one filler episode where Naruto talks to this girl about how he'll get in between sakwa chanz legs (this is after hinata's confession, sakura's fake confession, Sakura still showing love for Sasuke, and Naruto supporting sasusaku mind you.)
Agreed. Oh...and my point about Neji's death and smiles....I mean it's like they practically forgot he died...and like you said, I think we will go back and his death will be brought up again.

Hinata and Lee will both definitely have some manner of his death in the upcoming chapters....and its almost certain with the Hyuga development we are supposed to have.


And yeah, Anime Hinata isn't as well portrayed in the war as Manga Hinata....but that's been the case for nearly everyone.



They had a real good chance to show how horrible it was in the second division, but the anime ruined it....I mean come day 2 and even the first day of war.....that's probably the LAST division I'd want. The majority of the army of Zetsu were there making it an insane CQB he'll hole....and on the second day it would have just been ALMOST a chaotic free for all....with no way to tell who is who....add on the frenzy of CQB, and the fact they've been fighting non-stop since the Zetsu attack during the day....and that place would have been where real war was.

I mean they didn't have any Edos...but that would have been far worse IMO...cause at least you know where the power house enemy is with Edo tensei.


Went off topic there -.-!
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

Hinata and Lee will both definitely have some manner of his death in the upcoming chapters....and its almost certain with the Hyuga development we are supposed to have
I really hope for Lee to get some major panel time. Honestly, it just seems so unfair how Gai has been stealing his spotlight. Since Gai & Lee are particularly the same, they're interchangeable, so why not have Lee fight Kisame and such? I just wish he was given more panel time to show his awesome taijutsu.
 
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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

What exactly does the Twin Lion Fists do?
I don't think we got a chance to see it's full power and what it does, but it's enough to break Pain's chakra rods from what we've seen so far, right?
I wonder if there is an upgrade to it or if it is related to something important like the Sage or the cat Bijuu:rolleyes:
 

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Re: Strongest of the Hidden Leaf: The Hyuga Clan FC

What exactly does the Twin Lion Fists do?
I don't think we got a chance to see it's full power and what it does, but it's enough to break Pain's chakra rods from what we've seen so far, right?
I wonder if there is an upgrade to it or if it is related to something important like the Sage or the cat Bijuu:rolleyes:
I'm just under the impression that lion fists is some sort of improved gentle fist, in that, rather than closing one whole, it closes multiple holes at once.

Hinata breaking pain's chakra rods was actually filler, so that doesn't really count.

i think lion fists resembling the two tails is a coincidence, but I do think that perhaps the sage possibly used it.

I actually think lion fists is a whole different sub-section of gentle fists, as when hinata uses the attack, she says Gentle Step: Twin lion fists.

I think the Gentle step part means that the hyuga have another sub section to their moveset, since all other hyuga attacks have 8 trigrams as a prefix.
 
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