[Discussion] Akainu vs Big Mum/Blackbeard?? Who's stronger?

[Avinash012]

Ah, yeah it kind of was it happened here.

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But also Akainu also inflicted this type of damage of Whitebeard as well.

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The thing is your going on the logic that every Yonkou has the same strength as Whitebeard in a 1 on 1 situation and it's absurd to think that Big Mam has the same strength as Whitebeard same with Kaidou and Blackbeard in fact Blackbeard even ran away from Akainu.

When Whitebeard was alive he was rumored to be the strongest man alive (Personally I think Dragon and Garp were or are stronger) However the fact is Akainu was able to inflict so much damage on Whitebeard that there was no way he would walk away from Marineford alive even if they did win.

Whitebeard at best beat Akainu with high-diff since he got a hole punched in him and half of his face off. Mid-diff would have been Whitebeard taking little damage from Akainu. Also I agree in his prime Whitebeard would have wrecked Akainu yet that wasn't the case and Whitebeard was still rumored to be the strongest in the world despite his illness and age.

Nah WB actually defeated Akainu mid dif(I would say no dif),it took less than 5 hits from WB to KO Akainu,here the reason for WB getting attacks from Akainu is his inability to move coz of his sickness ,The fact that he can't even dodge Squad's attack clearly proves that.

Look at this scan,Even Marco said that he can't move /fight properly & WB can actually dodge Akainu's attacks /atleast avoid major damages.

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& For Yonko being on Admiral level stuf,as we already know the gap b/w Shanks & WB is too close,Shanks can push a healthy WB to his limits(Based on Hype)but in case of Akainu (probably the strongest admiral) a near death state WB KO him pretty easily,this proves that the gap b/w Shanks & admirals are big as well.

& for others saying that they are weaker /as strong as Admirals is baseless & same goes for saying that they are stronger/on Shanks & WB's level.

 

[xcoyote]

Sakazuki is stronger.

 

[kuramasage]

BB has the strongest Paramecia and most evil Logia, and even before eating a DF he was strong enough to be a WB Commander candidate. I think he's already the strongest Yonko and man in the world.

But, Akainu is definitely stronger than Big Mom. As has been said, he's Luffy's archenemy and thus a MAJOR contender for Final Villain. It wouldn't make sense for (one of) Luffy's last opponents to be weaker than someone who is (more than likely) gonna be beating at the end of this Saga.

 

[David1996]

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1 Akainu

Nah, I kid I kid

85 Akainu

 

[Olorin]

Or:
Roger: 100
Whitebeard: 99 or 100
Shanks: 90
Kaidou: 89 or 90
Sick Whitebeard: 89
Big Mom: 85
Sakazuki: 80
Blackbeard: 80

I'd put prime Gol D Roger, Gol D Ace, Monkey D Garp, Monkey D Dragon and Monkey D Luffy all bout 99-100
prime WB around 98-99
Shanks and Rayleigh around 95-97ish (you can argue they should be a lot weaker than WB but Shanks was sort of a successor to Roger chosen by Roger himself and Rayleigh is basically prime Zoro and I don't see Zoro being weaker than this relative to prime Luffy)

you have to realize that 10 difference is A LOT if you have a cale of 1 - 100

you also have to rank low lvl characters

you give someone like lucci a decent number but than you hav to rank other ppl much stronger to him a lot higher and soon you get to 50 for ppl who are complete fodder to those with top numbers but simply are NOT weaker only by a half

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I'd put prime Gol D Roger, Gol D Ace, Monkey D Garp, Monkey D Dragon and Monkey D Luffy all bout 99-100
prime WB around 98-99

Uhhh if Sakazuki is 80 Luffy would be about 50... I never even mentioned the others either?

Shanks and Rayleigh around 95-97ish (you can argue they should be a lot weaker than WB but Shanks was sort of a successor to Roger chosen by Roger himself and Rayleigh is basically prime Zoro and I don't see Zoro being weaker than this relative to prime Luffy)

The power gap is too great for Shanks to only be 5 less than Roger.

you have to realize that 10 difference is A LOT if you have a cale of 1 - 100

you also have to rank low lvl characters

I realize. I genuinely believe that only Garp and Shiki were above 90 and close to challenging Roger and Whitebeard.

you give someone like lucci a decent number but than you hav to rank other ppl much stronger to him a lot higher and soon you get to 50 for ppl who are complete fodder to those with top numbers but simply are NOT weaker only by a half

Lucci would be about 10? If that.

 

[Olorin]

The power gap is too great for Shanks to only be 5 less than Roger.

By hype you can kinda deduce who is stronger but not really how much stronger

What would have you think that the biggest names of this generation are unable to rival the past gen (rog, garp, wb) and what will be the next generation (luffy, zoro, law)

Especially when one of those big names is both the father of the mc (and future PK), asw ell as son of a man thatfought roger and they almost killed eachother

There is also the one that Roger choose as his successor, Shanks, he didnt become the PK no but he was chosen, it wasnt Rogert hat chose luffy, Shanks is part of that line too

Also the nrother of luffy had roger for his father, liffy has dragon, in MF the reaction to both those fathers was about the same, oda wrote that and in manga that matters

I know its all just onnections between the biggest names in OP but in manga those connections usually tell us more than you can see at first, especially in OP

Anyway thats my reason, might be dumb but still ...

I dont think zoro will ever be less than 90 to luffys 100 and i think the same went for roger and rayleigh

Ppl insist on saying noone matched WB but for Oda to put the biggest player out in the first half of OP would be just weird, there will be bigger players than WB (not counting eventual prime Luffy n his generation), Shanks, Dragon and the main antagonist are prime candidates

Just think of WB as this: Pele, Maradona, Beckenbauer... Are still considered the best football players even if they are now out of their prime and there is a new generation that is atm better, and will produce new legends to rival those old ones, but old legends dont just die even if they are long out of their prime but they keep the title (which they deserve) WB had his title but that does not necessarily mean he was unbeatable

Pre TS Akainu gave him a pretty good run for his money

Sorry phone again

 

[BigBlade Master]

Yonko > Admiral


I think BB is stronger than BigMam by now.

 

[TheHokage]

Seriously...the way I look at it is eventually Luffy and Akainu will fight and I don't really see that happening anytime soon it will most likely happen during the final war you know Pirate King vs Fleet Admiral.

However for this battle to be entertaining and interesting to see Akainu will have to be a similar level to Luffy in terms of fighting abilities and before Luffy becomes Pirate King he will have to defeat Big Mam, Kaidou and Teach (I don't think Shanks and Luffy will ever fight) and to me it makes no sense that Akainu would be weaker than these since it wouldn't be a challenge for Luffy.

Also for those who actually think Yonkou > Admiral just how single minded are you to think in a 1 on 1 situation an Admiral cannot defeat a Yonkou. I assume most people will refer to Whitebeard vs Akainu but as I stated before Whitebeard was claimed to be the strongest man in the world even with his illness and age and yet in a 1 on 1 Akainu was able to mortally wound Whitebeard.

Then it comes down to people who think every Yonkou has the same strength such as Shanks=Kaidou=Big Mam=Blackbeard. This logic is flawed on the bases of there is definitively going to be a difference in strengths when it comes to the Yonkou in a 1 on 1 situation such as.

Would Shanks be able to defeat BB, Kaidou or Big Mam in a 1 on 1 situation...at the moment I would say yes and for those who understand my point you can see there is clearly a difference in strengths.

And like I stated I see Akainu being one of Luffy's EoS enemies meaning I can see Luffy taking out the likes of Kaidou and Big Mam before he fights Akainu and for the fight to be impactful and interesting both Akainu and Luffy will have to be similar and comparable in strength so Akainu being weaker than Big Mam and Kaidou in 1 on 1 situation makes no sense to me since Luffy will be able to just sail through his fight with Akainu later in the series then.

The way I see it the strength scales are a little like this at the moment.

Shanks > Akainu => Blackbeard > Kaidou => Kizaru/Aojiki > Big Mam.

I know a lot of people won't agree with this but we haven't seen anything from either Kaidou, Big Mam or Blackbeard that put's them on a level that's higher than Akainu.

 

[BigBlade Master]

Or:
Roger: 100
Whitebeard: 99 or 100
Shanks: 90
Kaidou: 89 or 90
Sick Whitebeard: 89
Big Mom: 85
Sakazuki: 80
Blackbeard: 80


There's a distant gap between ->Roger and Whitebeard<- and everyone else. He is obviously not so much weaker that he is incapable of a chance of survival. But IMO R+WB could beat Admirals mid difficulty when in their primes. However currently there isn't a single living character capable of this.

WB= 98
Sick WB = 90

Ultra mega wounded, half dead full of hole in chest WB= 80

 

[Hijey]

Prime Whitebeard and Roger were a lot stronger than anyone alive today, it's a no brainer. WB who lost a lot of power because of sickness and age was still the strongest man.

It takes 4 admirals + 7 shichibukai(one of which being yonkou level, MiHawk) in order to balance out 4 yonkou, what makes you think 1 admiral = yonkou?:Omg:

The yonko captains have atleast two people below them who can occupy someone like admirals(and their captains) for a really long time. That's the result of the golden age of piracy.

Anyways, it's pretty much implied the yonko and admiral level is the same thing. One group are the highest of the marines and the other group are the highest of the pirates. Oda even made it easier for you that he mentioned both of these group in the same breath couple chapters ago.

 

[Olorin]

Prime Whitebeard and Roger were a lot stronger than anyone alive today, it's a no brainer. WB who lost a lot of power because of sickness and age was still the strongest man.

There is nothing to support that, theres also Garp amd after those 3 rayleigh, shiki, sengoku, ...

Raylaigh was to roger what Zoro is To Luffy, if anyone said Zoro is a lot weaker than Luffy ppl wouldnt just religiously disagree with you, many would actually be pissed at you

Every generation has legends, maybe not every generation has a pirate king (you dont need to be the PK to be at that level, maybe you arent a pirate and want ... Say ... To overthrow the govt) but most generations do have legends, why are people so adamant against the current generation having a roger lvl fighter? The previous generation had Roger, Garp and WB and the next generation will have Luffy

This generation has Dragon and Shanks and the like

I already explained how legends tend to retain their titles throughout heir lifetime even if they are no longer at the very top, it would also be weird if the top guy (other than luffy) had its best moment before OP was even at its half point, there are WB lvl characters today and Dragon and Shanks have a good chance to be those characters, antagonists at that level also exist since Luffy will need such an antagonist to actually become the PK

 

[jiraiya lives]

BB>BM>Aukainu...i'll provide reason as to why i think this later

 

[Hijey]

There is nothing to support that, theres also Garp amd after those 3 rayleigh, shiki, sengoku, ...

Eh uh, what about those oldies who were not apart of the 'one man' to ever be as strong as Roger? And what is there nothing to support? That WB which was way past his prime, losing much of his strength because of the age and illness, still was the strongest with people like Dragon, Shanks etc in their prime? Try again, but this time take a deep breath and don't bring that bias here.

Raylaigh was to roger what Zoro is To Luffy, if anyone said Zoro is a lot weaker than Luffy ppl wouldnt just religiously disagree with you, many would actually be pissed at you

Except that Luffy and Zoro(and the rest of his crews actually) are more special than any other crew we've ever seen. Strength wise, they are much closer to their Captains strength than anybody else.

Every generation has legends, maybe not every generation has a pirate king (you dont need to be the PK to be at that level, maybe you arent a pirate and want ... Say ... To overthrow the govt) but most generations do have legends, why are people so adamant against the current generation having a roger lvl fighter? The previous generation had Roger, Garp and WB and the next generation will have Luffy

This generation has Dragon and Shanks and the like

This generation failed to produce something of that sort. Big deal. And the for the record, there was only two Roger fighters last generation.

I already explained how legends tend to retain their titles throughout heir lifetime even if they are no longer at the very top, it would also be weird if the top guy (other than luffy) had its best moment before OP was even at its half point, there are WB lvl characters today and Dragon and Shanks have a good chance to be those characters, antagonists at that level also exist since Luffy will need such an antagonist to actually become the PK

No, their chances are as good as me being the next person to write OP. Blackbeard, the man who will be standing between Luffy and his dream, says hi.

 

[Olorin]

Eh uh, what about those oldies who were not apart of the 'one man' to ever be as strong as Roger? And what is there nothing to support? That WB which was way past his prime, losing much of his strength because of the age and illness, still was the strongest with people like Dragon, Shanks etc in their prime? Try again, but this time take a deep breath and don't bring that bias here.


Except that Luffy and Zoro(and the rest of his crews actually) are more special than any other crew we've ever seen. Strength wise, they are much closer to their Captains strength than anybody else.



This generation failed to produce something of that sort. Big deal. And the for the record, there was only two Roger fighters last generation.


No, their chances are as good as me being the next person to write OP. Blackbeard, the man who will be standing between Luffy and his dream, says hi.

If you think so good for you, nice to see you can be kind about it. I disagree and I don't really care what you think, I'm not retyping my arguments for no reason at all.

I will only say this: think about it, if you asked any 100 experts on who is the greatest football player many will say Pele or Maradona or Beckenbauer even if they aren't all that good at football (by the highest standards) anymore, the title lasts for ever

 

[Hijey]

If you think so good for you, nice to see you can be kind about it. I disagree and I don't really care what you think, I'm not retyping my arguments for no reason at all.

I mean, you say you've been a fan of OP for as long as 10 years or something. It's either bias or you haven't been paying attention properly. When it's obvious like prime WB being stronger than prime Garp and as a result get the title of the strongest once Roger dies and you come up with silly excuses how WB's title is not legit makes me think it's just you being biased due to liking him more.

I will only say this: think about it, if you asked any 100 experts on who is the greatest football player many will say Pele or Maradona or Beckenbauer even if they aren't all that good at football (by the highest standards) anymore, the title lasts for ever

Why make things more complicated? It's only one author who writes OP and not 100. What he says is fact, so unless he changed that you go by what's stated.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I think Sakazuki could take Teach with extreme diff.
Although Big Mom would rape Sakazuki.

 

[Olorin]

I mean, you say you've been a fan of OP for as long as 10 years or something. It's either bias or you haven't been paying attention properly. When it's obvious like prime WB being stronger than prime Garp and as a result get the title of the strongest once Roger dies and you come up with silly excuses how WB's title is not legit makes me think it's just you being biased due to liking him more.


Why make things more complicated? It's only one author who writes OP and not 100. What he says is fact, so unless he changed that you go by what's stated.

actually I have been a fan of OP for 10 years yes and I somehow know how Oda writes and I can tell you he did NOT pull out the biggest gun (WB) in the OP verse in part 1 there are bigger things to come

and I am far from only one who thinks Garp too is on Roger's level

 

[xcoyote]

I think Sakazuki could take Teach with extreme diff.
Although Big Mom would rape Sakazuki.

Bloodlusted Whitebeard couldnt rape Sakazuki,what makes you think Big Mom can?

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That being said,i have realised the admirals are downplayed in the Base so whatever.

 

[Hijey]

actually I have been a fan of OP for 10 years yes and I somehow know how Oda writes and I can tell you he did NOT pull out the biggest gun (WB) in the OP verse in part 1 there are bigger things to come

Yeah, prime Luffy and Blackbeard are to come to top that and probably some few others to.

and I am far from only one who thinks Garp too is on Roger's level

Roger's general level as in being a top tier and that, but not as close as you're saying it to be. Heck, I even think the gap was bigger than the one between Luffy and his perverted cook because frankly I can't see Luffy being stronger than Sanji if he lost more power than him.

Bloodlusted Whitebeard couldnt rape Sakazuki,what makes you think Big Mom can?

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That being said,i have realised the admirals are downplayed in the Base so whatever.

More like the yonko are overrated, except when compared to the oldies from past generation. But you like to downplay people you dislike, so you're not any different

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