[Discussion] Akainu vs Big Mum/Blackbeard?? Who's stronger?

[TenzaZangetsu]

ace wasnt physically weak.
1. BB Was physically stronger
2. Ace just Spams his DF
3. Remember when he was 10 he kicked a tree down at luffy. imagine his Physical power if he actually used it.

I was hoping for something like:-
Blackbeard: "Kurouzu!"...*punches Ace*
Ace: *gets up* "pfft, do you really think I can't fight without my DF?!?" *charges at him and does some damage*

 

[TheHokage]

An old sick Whitebeard smacked around Akainu

While getting half of his face blown off and a massive hole in his stomach. It's not like Whitebeard came out unharmed even in his rage mode not to mention Whitebeard would have went down if it wasn't for Ace's death.

What makes you think a bonafide yonkou can't fight evenly with an old sick Whitebeard?

Maybe due to the fact Whitebeard was the strongest out of the Yonkou. The Yonkou's haven't got the exact same strength as each other you know.

Thus an admiral will get mid-diffed by a yonkou at best..

Not really Whitebeard did not mid-diff Akainu so I don't see Big Mam, Teach, Kaidou or Shanks being able to mid diff an Admiral.

Anyway onto the original question I think Akainu could defeat Big Mam in a 1 on 1 fight and at the moment he could defeat Teach as well but at some point Blackbeard will surpass Akainu probably later on in the series.

 

[Olorin]

It takes 4 admirals + 7 shichibukai(one of which being yonkou level, MiHawk) in order to balance out 4 yonkou, what makes you think 1 admiral = yonkou?:Omg:

but the 4 Yonko all have their crews, WB has Marco and Shanks has Backman, both of which imo are about admiral lvl themselves

also, most Sichibukai don't even really count, the only credible ones compared to a yonko are Mihawk, Doflamingo and maybe Kuma

than there was Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru ... now Fujitora, Kizaru and GreenBull

and the biggest guns were Sengoku and Garp ... now Akainu

so that would now make Akainu, Kizaru, Fujitora, GreenBull, Mihawk, Doflamingo and Kuma to counter Shanks, Ben Backman, Teach, Kaido, Big Mam and all of their first mates which should be at least somewhat close to Marco lvl, also ... you know, the rest of their crews

it's not like 7 sichi + admirals are there to balance out just 4 yonko

 

[TenzaZangetsu]

While getting half of his face blown off and a massive hole in his stomach. It's not like Whitebeard came out unharmed even in his rage mode not to mention Whitebeard would have went down if it wasn't for Ace's death.



Maybe due to the fact Whitebeard was the strongest out of the Yonkou. The Yonkou's haven't got the exact same strength as each other you know.



Not really Whitebeard did not mid-diff Akainu so I don't see Big Mam, Teach, Kaidou or Shanks being able to mid diff an Admiral.

Anyway onto the original question I think Akainu could defeat Big Mam in a 1 on 1 fight and at the moment he could defeat Teach as well but at some point Blackbeard will surpass Akainu probably later on in the series.

Whitebeards holes in his body weren't caused by Akainu, also, Whitebeard fought plenty more times after getting magma shoved into his holed chest including fodderising Blackbeard, so no, he would've gotten up even if it wasn't Ace.
Its expected that that his advanced age and sickness would even out the odds with a yonkou(during his prime it would obviously be hopeless) but Admirals would still get wrecked..

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Charlotte Linlin > Sakazuki
Marshall D. Teach = Sakazuki

 

[TenzaZangetsu]

but the 4 Yonko all have their crews, WB has Marco and Shanks has Backman, both of which imo are about admiral lvl themselves

also, most Sichibukai don't even really count, the only credible ones compared to a yonko are Mihawk, Doflamingo and maybe Kuma

than there was Akainu, Aokiji and Kizaru ... now Fujitora, Kizaru and GreenBull

and the biggest guns were Sengoku and Garp ... now Akainu

so that would now make Akainu, Kizaru, Fujitora, GreenBull, Mihawk, Doflamingo and Kuma to counter Shanks, Ben Backman, Teach, Kaido, Big Mam and all of their first mates which should be at least somewhat close to Marco lvl, also ... you know, the rest of their crews

it's not like 7 sichi + admirals are there to balance out just 4 yonko

I didn't include the many vice-admirals, also, the rear admirals, commodores, captains, CP-Agents etc these will pertain to the rest of the crew, I just focused on the top brass which is where most of the power lies.
The only shichibukai who don't count are Buggy and Gecko Moria(so lame:'(), but people like Hammock, Law, Crocodile do kinda count..

 

[TenzaZangetsu]

IMO as of now Akainu ./= BB and is < BM.

I can roll with this..:yeah:

 

[TheHokage]

Whitebeards holes in his body weren't caused by Akainu, also, Whitebeard fought plenty more times after getting magma shoved into his holed chest including fodderising Blackbeard, so no, he would've gotten up even if it wasn't Ace.
Its expected that that his advanced age and sickness would even out the odds with a yonkou(during his prime it would obviously be hopeless) but Admirals would still get wrecked..

Ah, yeah it kind of was it happened here.

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But also Akainu also inflicted this type of damage of Whitebeard as well.

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The thing is your going on the logic that every Yonkou has the same strength as Whitebeard in a 1 on 1 situation and it's absurd to think that Big Mam has the same strength as Whitebeard same with Kaidou and Blackbeard in fact Blackbeard even ran away from Akainu.

When Whitebeard was alive he was rumored to be the strongest man alive (Personally I think Dragon and Garp were or are stronger) However the fact is Akainu was able to inflict so much damage on Whitebeard that there was no way he would walk away from Marineford alive even if they did win.

Whitebeard at best beat Akainu with high-diff since he got a hole punched in him and half of his face off. Mid-diff would have been Whitebeard taking little damage from Akainu. Also I agree in his prime Whitebeard would have wrecked Akainu yet that wasn't the case and Whitebeard was still rumored to be the strongest in the world despite his illness and age.

 

[David1996]

Big mom and BB would slap Akainu around. BB PTS = Akainu tho.

 

[TheHokage]

Big mom and BB would slap Akainu around. BB PTS = Akainu tho.

Based on what? What has Big mam and BB shown that would put them on Akainu's level.

Also if that's meant to be Pre-time skip BB = Akainu I seriously can't take you seriously Teach ran away from Akainu with his entire crew in fear.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Based on what? What has Big mam and BB shown that would put them on Akainu's level.

Also if that's meant to be Pre-time skip BB = Akainu I seriously can't take you seriously Teach ran away from Akainu with his entire crew in fear.

I like to think that Teach is currently equal to Sakazuki, and will continue to develop in strength. If he is already superior to Sakazuki he won't have much development as a main/possibly final villain during the second half of the series.

Although I do believe the other 3 Yonkou would individually be capable of beating any active Marine.

 

[David1996]

Based on what? What has Big mam and BB shown that would put them on Akainu's level.

Also if that's meant to be Pre-time skip BB = Akainu I seriously can't take you seriously Teach ran away from Akainu with his entire crew in fear.

It's the other way around.
What did Akainu do to place him on yonko level ?
An old, sick, injured and wounded WB made him look like a *****.
He barely managed to win against Aokiji, who is on a real disadvantage when comes down to their DF's.

 

[Fireplay]

It's the other way around.
What did Akainu do to place him on yonko level ?
An old, sick, injured and wounded WB made him look like a *****.
He barely managed to win against Aokiji, who is on a real disadvantage when comes down to their DF's.

What makes you think all the Yonko are as strong as WB (the strongest man in the world)?

Shanks>Akainu=>Kaido>BM>BB

WB was on a level of his own.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

What makes you think all the Yonko are as strong as WB (the strongest man in the world)?

Shanks>Akainu=>Kaido>BM>BB

WB was on a level of his own.

IMHO
Healthy Whitebeard>>Shanks>Kaidou=Sick and dying Whitebeard>Big Mom>/=Sakazuki=Blackbeard

 

[David1996]

Kaido < Akainu ?
LOL

 

[Fireplay]

Kaido < Akainu ?
LOL

Well since we know nothing of Kaido this isn't really arguable. Although since Luffy is supposed to take out Kaido first i doubt the Yonko Luffy will take out first will be stronger than one of Luffy's EoS villains.

The way i see it (pure speculation):

Shanks: 100
Akainu: 97-98
Kaido: 97-98 (equal to or slightly weaker than Akainu)
Big Mom: 96
Blackbeard: 92 (he isn't on top yet)

 

[Hexuze]

Uh well personally we'll find out which is the weakest yonko depending on who get's taken out first. My guess is that Kadio will be taken down first. Anyways back on topic...

Akainu will defeat BB but not Big mam.

1. Big Mam
2. Akainu
3. BB

BB was scared of Akainu pre-TS even with his crew with him too and considering Akainu is fleet-admiral now, I'm sure he's training a lot more to keep that position.

 

[Olorin]

IMHO
Healthy Whitebeard>>Shanks

I honestly don't think Shanks is that far from Roger level, he isn't up there ofc but imo he isn't that much weaker

 

[Hexuze]

I think Akainu could take them all except maybe Shanks

Big Mom's definitely the weakest imo

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[24 12 11 to troll]

Well since we know nothing of Kaido this isn't really arguable. Although since Luffy is supposed to take out Kaido first i doubt the Yonko Luffy will take out first will be stronger than one of Luffy's EoS villains.

The way i see it (pure speculation):

Shanks: 100
Akainu: 97-98
Kaido: 97-98 (equal to or slightly weaker than Akainu)
Big Mom: 96
Blackbeard: 92 (he isn't on top yet)

Or:
Roger: 100
Whitebeard: 99 or 100
Shanks: 90
Kaidou: 89 or 90
Sick Whitebeard: 89
Big Mom: 85
Sakazuki: 80
Blackbeard: 80

I honestly don't think Shanks is that far from Roger level, he isn't up there ofc but imo he isn't that much weaker

There's a distant gap between ->Roger and Whitebeard<- and everyone else. He is obviously not so much weaker that he is incapable of a chance of survival. But IMO R+WB could beat Admirals mid difficulty when in their primes. However currently there isn't a single living character capable of this.