[Discussion] Aizen is stronger than Juha Bach?

[Avinash012]

A Shinigami didn't defeat Aizen Ichigo did a fellow transcendent being...duh, Urahara's Kido had no effect on Aizen when he had Transcended it was only after Ichigo pushed Aizen so much that the Hogyoku rejected him did Urahara's Kido take effect.

The moment the Hogyoku rejected Aizen he stopped being a transcendent being that's why Urahara's kido finally started to work...you should know this if you read Bleach

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The moment the Hogyoku rejected Aizen he became a normal Shinigami again hence the reason why he started to lose his hollow appearance.

So Aizen is the only TB in BV (exept Ichigo's family)..right...?

I thought that Isshin can use FGT just like Icigo ....

 

[TheHokage]

So Aizen is the only TB in BV (exept Ichigo's family)..right...?

I thought that Isshin can use FGT just like Icigo ....

No both Ichigo and Aizen are the only transcendent beings so far...well I suppose were the only one's since they no longer have that power.

The technique Final Getsuga Tenshou is not what made Ichigo a Transcendent being it was his Zanpaktou and Ichigo's true Shinigami powers (You know the power that's usually held back by Ichigo's Quincy powers). Also remember Ichigo has that super powerful hollow in him as well that was created by Aizen using countless souls.

The Final Getsuga Tenshou and Mugetsu are the same thing it is a technique that once used costs the user their spirit pressure.

Isshin can't be a transcended being because he is only a Shinigami.

The only potential Transcendent beings in Bleach at the moment are Aizen and Ichigo, being a transcendent being means breaking the cap so to say when it comes to power that's why when they want they can make it so no one can sense them.

Imagine there is a cup and when you fill it with water it will only fill up so much before spilling, it's exactly the same regarding Shinigami/Quincies and Hollow powers they have a limit in how powerful they can become and Aizen realized this and that's why he used the Hogyoku to overcome this hurdle. I believe Yamamoto reached his limit of how powerful he could become.

 

[Avinash012]

No both Ichigo and Aizen are the only transcendent beings so far...well I suppose were the only one's since they no longer have that power.

The technique Final Getsuga Tenshou is not what made Ichigo a Transcendent being it was his Zanpaktou and Ichigo's true Shinigami powers (You know the power that's usually held back by Ichigo's Quincy powers). Also remember Ichigo has that super powerful hollow in him as well that was created by Aizen using countless souls.

The Final Getsuga Tenshou and Mugetsu are the same thing it is a technique that once used costs the user their spirit pressure.

Isshin can't be a transcended being because he is only a Shinigami.

The only potential Transcendent beings in Bleach at the moment are Aizen and Ichigo, being a transcendent being means breaking the cap so to say when it comes to power that's why when they want they can make it so no one can sense them.

Imagine there is a cup and when you fill it with water it will only fill up so much before spilling, it's exactly the same regarding Shinigami/Quincies and Hollow powers they have a limit in how powerful they can become and Aizen realized this and that's why he used the Hogyoku to overcome this hurdle. I believe Yamamoto reached his limit of how powerful he could become.

I didn't said that Isshin is a TB, I said that he can use FGT .....What abt Ichigo's sisters..?

I thought that they are his bilogical sisters..What abt Espada's..? what kind of beings they are..?

 

[TheHokage]

I didn't said that Isshin is a TB, I said that he can use FGT .....What abt Ichigo's sisters..?

I thought that they are his bilogical sisters..What abt Espada's..? what kind of beings they are..?

Oh, okay Isshin can use the FGT but it's probably no where near as powerful as Dangai Ichigo's was.

With Karin and Yuzu, it's a bit difficult to tell since they don't have the power of a hollow within them, however they are a Shinigami/Quincy combination like Ichigo, maybe and that's a big maybe they might be able to become TB but I've always thought the only reason Ichigo was able to become a TB was due to the Hollow he had as it was made of hundreds of different souls same with Aizen's Hogyoku.

Regarding the Espada, that's another thing that's unclear but I think they to have their limits with how strong they can become as the Release form for them is like a Shinigami's Bankai but...the Espada can have a second release so...I'm not sure really but I'm certain that they will reach a limit to how strong their powers will become.

 

[Summer]

juha bach easy win imo he's just to much mustache for aizen.

 

[SSJ3Gotenks]

I liked Aizen. But let's not be delusional here.. Juha Bach destroys Aizen low diff. I mean they basically just waltzed into Soul Society and violated it with ease.. And you can say what you want about Yamamoto but Aizen was afraid of him thus the reason he created Wonderweiss. And not to mention that CC never got a chance to use his overpowered Bankai against Aizen.. The Quincy are insanely OP Aizen doesn't stand a chance...

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Seriously ? Aizen is immortal but having said that i think Juha Bach is also immortal why ?
he was sealed not killed......

as for people who said Aizen is afraid of Yamamoto is very true indeed but he stated that when he was still undergoing his so called evolution, once he transcend into immortal being there's nothing can stop him but Urahara's special kidou which is only capable of sealing him.....

 

[Whiteknight]

After reading this past chapter it made alot of sense for Juha Bach to ask Aizen if he wanted to join his side. But it also doesn't make sense because of the fact that in this past chapter it stated that the very essence of hollows is a disease to the quincy(also to add to this is the fact that Ichigo's mom could have died if Isshin had not saved her) but the reaction to Ichigos mom in fighting the hollow now makes me wonder if the quincy really knew about this disease to the hollows. Mainly because it would not make sense for Juha Bach to ask Aizen to join him if he knows that he can kill him. So do the Quincies know about this weakness and if they do what are their counter attack to this hollow threat?

Aizen isn't more powerful than Juha Bach. At least, he wasn't before his transformations after fusing with the Hogyuku. Before his transformation, Aizen claimed that Yamamoto was more powerful than he (or, powerful enough to be a major roadblock in his plans). We've also seen that juha Bach is significantly more powerful than Yamamoto. Juha Bach left a subordinate to deal with Yamamoto originally, and finally came back to finish him with a single strike. Yamamoto was using his bankai against Juha Bach, but wasn't using it against Aizen.

After the fight with Ichigo, Aizen was weakened and the Hogyoku had abandoned him (at least, it stopped treating him like a master, even if it was still fused inside him). If released, Aizen would not be as powerful today as he was during the battle with Ichigo.

Juha Bach has several hollows and arrancars working for him in his army. If Aizen were loyal, he would have made a good addition to the force. If he wasn't loyal, Juha Bach would have killed him in a single strike like he did with Yamamoto.