Adult Sasuke vs Hokage Naruto

[DHOH]

Restrictions: No avatars

Who wins?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

naruto? he can still use his op Aoe techs without the avatar. the only real threat from sasuke's side is rinne swap into something.

 

[KidGamer65]

Strictly feats? Sasuke can keep up and clash w/ Kinshiki so Naruto's speed and strength are not a game changer. Adult Naruto is basically BSM Naruto, but many times stronger in terms of moveset. Amaterasu/Enton is enough to deal w/ FRS, Sasuke's Chidori is also capable of vaporizing a Mountain Sized Meteor which puts it in the same league as Bijuu Dama. Ameno lets him dodge what he can't overpower.

Couple that with the fact that w/ a Katon diversion Sasuke tagged Naruto w/ Chidori using Ameno even though there was a wide gulf between their physical speed. That gap is much much smaller now so we can forget about Naruto evading Ameno and he's not tanking a Bijuu Dama level attack w/o his Avatar so Sasuke kills him pretty easily.

Oh yeah, and Chibaku Tensei. So yeah, Sasuke destroys him.

 

[Eng nawashi]

-can Sasuke use ST ? I think it is Nagato's own feat .
-Can Sasuke create CT cores ? Possibly yes .

War Arc RSM Naruto w/o avatar would stomp Sasuke w/o avatar .Hokage Naruto can't apparently use TTBRS or Biju RS so he is left with FRS variants and Rasengan .
But I think Naruto still wins since he can overwhelm Sasuke with his clones army in CQC and finish him with Frog Kata .Sasuke can't use CT as a meteorite if he is close to Naruto or he'd get himself killed too .if he used it as Nagato did ,then multiple COFRS destroys it before it reaches its full form .Naruto can counter ameno attacks by the use of multiple clones .Ameno's range also limits it defensively against the AOE of Naruto's attacks .

 

[DHOH]

Strictly feats? Sasuke can keep up and clash w/ Kinshiki so Naruto's speed and strength are not a game changer. Adult Naruto is basically BSM Naruto, but many times stronger in terms of moveset. Amaterasu/Enton is enough to deal w/ FRS, Sasuke's Chidori is also capable of vaporizing a Mountain Sized Meteor which puts it in the same league as Bijuu Dama. Ameno lets him dodge what he can't overpower.

Couple that with the fact that w/ a Katon diversion Sasuke tagged Naruto w/ Chidori using Ameno even though there was a wide gulf between their physical speed. That gap is much much smaller now so we can forget about Naruto evading Ameno and he's not tanking a Bijuu Dama level attack w/o his Avatar so Sasuke kills him pretty easily.

Oh yeah, and Chibaku Tensei. So yeah, Sasuke destroys him.

What about Naruto clones? You don't think clones would be a huge problem for Sasuke?

 

[KidGamer65]

What about Naruto clones? You don't think clones would be a huge problem for Sasuke?

Not with Ameno, Chibaku Tensei and Enton, which can be used as projectiles even w/o Susanoo as shown during the War Arc and against Kaguya. There's also always Kirin to fall back on, which is still a one shot for Naruto and all his clones as he's not as durable as Susanoo w/o his Avatar.

Lmao and I forgot that Sasuke has Preta Path to absorb chakra, which renders Naruto's entire offensive arsenal (which is basically FRS and Rasengan variants) useless except for his physical strikes. So yeah, Naruto gets wrecked regardless of clones unless someone wants to argue that either Naruto blitzes him before Preta is used or that Naruto can overcome Sasuke with Taijutsu alone. The match won't even make it to the point where Naruto gets the chance to spam clones due to Ameno+Chidori/any suitable finisher combo.

Also Sasuke can use clones as well if he really really needs to, just nowhere near the number Naruto can.

 

[DHOH]

-can Sasuke use ST ? I think it is Nagato's own feat .
-Can Sasuke create CT cores ? Possibly yes .

War Arc RSM Naruto w/o avatar would stomp Sasuke w/o avatar .Hokage Naruto can't apparently use TTBRS or Biju RS so he is left with FRS variants and Rasengan .
But I think Naruto still wins since he can overwhelm Sasuke with his clones army in CQC and finish him with Frog Kata .Sasuke can't use CT as a meteorite if he is close to Naruto or he'd get himself killed too .if he used it as Nagato did ,then multiple COFRS destroys it before it reaches its full form .Naruto can counter ameno attacks by the use of multiple clones .Ameno's range also limits it defensively against the AOE of Naruto's attacks .

Sasuke can counter Naruto clones with his own and enton. Sasuke would definitely have the advantage in CQC.
Frog Kata is just Natural energy being use as a weapon and Sasuke can sense OR see Natural energy, which make frog kata useless.
A diversion and a meteorite busting chidori would end Naruto

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

naruto? he can still use his op Aoe techs without the avatar. the only real threat from sasuke's side is rinne swap into something.

This. Without Susanoo to protect him Sasuke gets toasted.

 

[DHOH]

This. Without Susanoo to protect him Sasuke gets toasted.

Sasuke doesn't need Susanoo more than Naruto needs Kurama's avatar

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Sasuke doesn't need Susanoo more than Naruto needs Kurama's avatar

He does, even BSM Naruto's durability is higher than rinnegan Sasuke's. Naruto could spam bijuu powered FRS from all directions during ranged combat, could easily neg all of Sasuke's AoE attacks and enton using Kurama chakra cloak plus confuse Sasuke with clone spam. Even with ameno he can't outrun all of them and we already know his ameno swap is useless against Naruto. In taijutsu frog Kata negs, he could try to use preta but again Naruto is aware of that so frog kata negs again.

 

[Lyke]

Sasuke uses Ameno on Narutos heart and gg

 

[DHOH]

He does, even BSM Naruto's durability is higher than rinnegan Sasuke's. Naruto could spam bijuu powered FRS from all directions during ranged combat, could easily neg all of Sasuke's AoE attacks and enton using Kurama chakra cloak plus confuse Sasuke with clone spam. Even with ameno he can't outrun all of them and we already know his ameno swap is useless against Naruto. In taijutsu frog Kata negs, he could try to use preta but again Naruto is aware of that so frog kata negs again.

Feats wise, no. Sasuke tanked hits from Multiple shurikens from shin and direct hits from Kinshiki and Momoshiki.
Naruto has shown no signs of having any bijuu chakra left. Sasuke said he had just about use it all up at the battle at vote2. Enton can pierce Naruto's cloak and meteor busting chidori can kill him.
Frog kata us use against Sasuke.

 

[KidGamer65]

Only on a place like NB would people try to act like this match is debatable.

 

[Tauren Chieftain]

Sasuke can counter Naruto clones with his own and enton. Sasuke would definitely have the advantage in CQC.
Frog Kata is just Natural energy being use as a weapon and Sasuke can sense OR see Natural energy, which make frog kata useless.
A diversion and a meteorite busting chidori would end Naruto

Sasuke can't sense or see nature energy. Sasuke isn't sensor as confirmed by Orochimaru.

Each time huge amount of chakra is released or gathered even non sensors can sense it. This was pretty much confirmed with Orochimaru statement.

Sasuke only manage to sense when Kurama gathered tremendous amount of nature energy.

Also the fact that Pain who both had ability to see and sense chakra couldn't do anything about Frog kata is enough proof.

I don't know who wins but Sasuke can't sense or see frog kata.

 

[DHOH]

Sasuke can't sense or see nature energy. Sasuke isn't sensor as confirmed by Orochimaru.

Each time huge amount of chakra is released or gathered even non sensors can sense it. This was pretty much confirmed with Orochimaru statement.

Sasuke only manage to sense when Kurama gathered tremendous amount of nature energy.

Also the fact that Pain who both had ability to see and sense chakra couldn't do anything about Frog kata is enough proof.

I don't know who wins but Sasuke can't sense or see frog kata.

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Only problem with your statement is Natural energy isn't chakra.

 

[Prometheus 2000]

Strictly feats? Sasuke can keep up and clash w/ Kinshiki so Naruto's speed and strength are not a game changer.

Not a game changer? You seem to forget Base Naruto's performance against Kinshiki absorbed Momoshiki.

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Naruto performed better than Sasuke did against a stronger opponent in base form and easily pushed him back in RSM . So his speed and strength is easily a game changer here which Sasuke will be hard pressed to overcome.

Adult Naruto is basically BSM Naruto, but many times stronger in terms of moveset.

True.

Amaterasu/Enton is enough to deal w/ FRS

Naruto can manually control his Rasenshuriken now so it's debatable whether or not Sasuke's Amaterasu/Enton can deal with it successfully.

Sasuke's Chidori is also capable of vaporizing a Mountain Sized Meteor which puts it in the same league as Bijuu Dama

Which could easily be scaled to Base Naruto's Rasengan let alone RSM Naruto's Rasengan. The power advantage will always go to Naruto in either form.

Ameno lets him dodge what he can't overpower

And if Naruto decided to take advantage of his flying capabilities and blast Sasuke from the air, what is he going to do about it? Sasuke apparently couldn't use Preta Path on Momoshiki's Biju Bomb so I highly doubt it's useful here when Naruto's basic Biju Bomb could easily blow it away via Sasuke's own admission.

Couple that with the fact that w/ a Katon diversion Sasuke tagged Naruto w/ Chidori using Ameno even though there was a wide gulf between their physical speed. That gap is much much smaller now

I already proved with feats why this is false. And Naruto's not going to be holding back this time.

so we can forget about Naruto evading Ameno and he's not tanking a Bijuu Dama level attack w/o his Avatar so Sasuke kills him pretty easily

Huh?

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Dude's a tank. You can see that even without his avatar, RSM Naruto's durability exceeds Sasuke's Susanoo. You can also see how powerful Kaguya's Vacuum Palms is compared to the Chidori/Biju Bomb clash since she easily destroyed Susanoo compared to the minor damage the clash caused which would easily put Naruto above the mountain level Chidori even if we disregard the feats from The Last which places his durability even higher. Sasuke's Chidori would easily be tanked like last time.

Oh yeah, and Chibaku Tensei. So yeah, Sasuke destroys him.

TSBs easily destroy the debris trying to trap Naruto.

Naruto wins this simply because Sasuke's base moveset isn't enough, especially considering the full Kurama + Hashirama's cell amp Naruto received. The only way I see Sasuke winning is to open a portal on Naruto somehow honestly.

 

[KidGamer65]

Not a game changer? You seem to forget Base Naruto's performance against Kinshiki absorbed Momoshiki.

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Naruto performed better than Sasuke did against a stronger opponent in base form and easily pushed him back in RSM . So his speed and strength is easily a game changer here which Sasuke will be hard pressed to overcome.

Base Naruto was getting overwhelmed pretty easily. He parried one blow, dodged another but was smacked away by Momoshiki's kick. Sasuke's clash against Kinshiki lasted longer and actually involved weaponry while Momoshiki attacked Naruto barehanded, another reason why this comparison is faulty.

Also Base Naruto can't even take on Base Momoshiki.

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RSM Naruto wasn't easily pushing him back either. He landed a single attack. So nah, Naruto's speed is not going to a game changer. Strength would be an issue if it weren't for Sasuke's Ninjutsu, so that doesn't help him here either.

Naruto can manually control his Rasenshuriken now so it's debatable whether or not Sasuke's Amaterasu/Enton can deal with it successfully.

Amaterasu would spawn on the FRS so that doesn't really help. Once it's consumed there is nothing left for Naruto to control, and in a pinch Preta Path easily absorbs it.

Which could easily be scaled to Base Naruto's Rasengan let alone RSM Naruto's Rasengan. The power advantage will always go to Naruto in either form.

No it can't. The power of Naruto's Rasengan in KCM is blatantly shown in the movie and it doesn't approach Mountain Level.

And if Naruto decided to take advantage of his flying capabilities and blast Sasuke from the air, what is he going to do about it? Sasuke apparently couldn't use Preta Path on Momoshiki's Biju Bomb so I highly doubt it's useful here when Naruto's basic Biju Bomb could easily blow it away via Sasuke's own admission.

Blast Sasuke with what? His only projectile is FRS, which Sasuke can absorb or consume w/ FRS. The bold makes zero sense. Momoshiki's Bijuu Dama is far above anything Naruto has access to without his Avatar in terms of chakra amount and power, so how does Sasuke being unable to absorb that mean he's unable to absorb things like FRS, Giant FRS and Rasengan?

And btw Sasuke said Naruto could easily blow it away. No one ever said it was with his basic Bijuu Dama. Naruto likely would've continued to charge his attack if he had the intention of countering.

I already proved with feats why this is false. And Naruto's not going to be holding back this time.

No, you didn't. Your comparison was faulty and indirect.

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The gap in their speed has gotten smaller since then, thus we are met with the same result. Sasuke hits and kills him w/ Chidori this time.

Huh?

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Dude's a tank. You can see that even without his avatar, RSM Naruto's durability exceeds Sasuke's Susanoo. You can also see how powerful Kaguya's Vacuum Palms is compared to the Chidori/Biju Bomb clash since she easily destroyed Susanoo compared to the minor damage the clash caused which would easily put Naruto above the mountain level Chidori even if we disregard the feats from The Last which places his durability even higher. Sasuke's Chidori would easily be tanked like last time.

:lol I hope you're joking. Naruto's Avatar>Naruto's body in durability. (I hope you don't try to argue that the inverse is true) Naruto's Avatar is on par with Sasuke''s Avatar in durability. Naruto got stabbed by

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He's not on par w/ PS.

>He did not tank a Moon Cutting Blade.

Naruto was shown later on in the crack made by the blade. If he took a direct hit he would've been pushed down and through and out of the area and even the Moon itself entirely even if he was durable enough to tank it. The blade hit the ground and circled down and through the moon.

>He did not tank what Sasuke's Susanoo failed to tank obviously.

The fists used against Sasuke's Susanoo are larger and thus stronger than what Naruto overpowered. Yes, overpowered. He's shown punching through the fist in that scan, not tanking it. Then we have the fact that Kaguya wasn't even trying to kill him so it's pretty obvious she was holding back along with the fact that we can blatantly see her holding back.

That explosion from The Last when Toneri absorbed his chakra is also irrelevant. Base Naruto is not as durable as cloaked Naruto who is not as durable as cloaked Naruto's Kurama Mode thus there's no arguing Naruto w/o his Avatar is on par with Sasuke's Susanoo in durability let alone superior. All posting that feat does is show that the blast is weak enough to be survived by Base Naruto and anyone on par or superior to him.

TSBs easily destroy the debris trying to trap Naruto.

Adult Naruto doesn't even have Gudo Dama. So no. OP made it clear that this is feats only even if you wanted to argue that he could recreate them.

Naruto wins this simply because Sasuke's base moveset isn't enough, especially considering the full Kurama + Hashirama's cell amp Naruto received. The only way I see Sasuke winning is to open a portal on Naruto somehow honestly.

None of those are power boosters. Full Kurama is more chakra, not stronger chakra. That's pointless when Naruto isn't using his Avatar. Hashirama's cells also only boost stamina and chakra. Not the power of jutsu.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Sasuke can counter Naruto clones with his own and enton. Sasuke would definitely have the advantage in CQC.
Frog Kata is just Natural energy being use as a weapon and Sasuke can sense OR see Natural energy, which make frog kata useless.
A diversion and a meteorite busting chidori would end Naruto

Naruto's clones with Cho odoma rasengan barrage, superior speed and strength > Sasuke's clones. Enton can be useful In some cases but it can be evaded and it wouldnt help sasuke that much when he gets completely outnumbered by Naruto's clones.
Sasuke wouldnt have the advantage in CQC at all and no Sasuke obviously cant sense or see NE.Not sure where you get this from. He just felt NE and that is only when enormous amount of it was gathered together.that doesnt mean he can sense any amount of it. He definitely cant see it either since pein couldnt.so yeah frog kata is a finisher move in CQC.
Diversions and Ameno are completely useless once Naruto starts making clones of himself. Sasuke wouldnt even know who is the real Naruto.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Worn out base Naruto VS Fused Momoshiki compared to Sasuke VS Kinshiki? You have your answer

 

[Prometheus 2000]

Base Naruto was getting overwhelmed pretty easily. He parried one blow, dodged another but was smacked away by Momoshiki's kick. Sasuke's clash against Kinshiki lasted longer and actually involved weaponry while Momoshiki attacked Naruto barehanded, another reason why this comparison is faulty.

Also Base Naruto can't even take on Base Momoshiki.

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RSM Naruto wasn't easily pushing him back either. He landed a single attack. So nah, Naruto's speed is not going to a game changer. Strength would be an issue if it weren't for Sasuke's Ninjutsu, so that doesn't help him here either.




Amaterasu would spawn on the FRS so that doesn't really help. Once it's consumed there is nothing left for Naruto to control, and in a pinch Preta Path easily absorbs it.





No it can't. The power of Naruto's Rasengan in KCM is blatantly shown in the movie and it doesn't approach Mountain Level.



Blast Sasuke with what? His only projectile is FRS, which Sasuke can absorb or consume w/ FRS. The bold makes zero sense. Momoshiki's Bijuu Dama is far above anything Naruto has access to without his Avatar in terms of chakra amount and power, so how does Sasuke being unable to absorb that mean he's unable to absorb things like FRS, Giant FRS and Rasengan?

And btw Sasuke said Naruto could easily blow it away. No one ever said it was with his basic Bijuu Dama. Naruto likely would've continued to charge his attack if he had the intention of countering.





No, you didn't. Your comparison was faulty and indirect.

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The gap in their speed has gotten smaller since then, thus we are met with the same result. Sasuke hits and kills him w/ Chidori this time.

Huh?



:lol I hope you're joking. Naruto's Avatar>Naruto's body in durability. (I hope you don't try to argue that the inverse is true) Naruto's Avatar is on par with Sasuke''s Avatar in durability. Naruto got stabbed by

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He's not on par w/ PS.

>He did not tank a Moon Cutting Blade.

Naruto was shown later on in the crack made by the blade. If he took a direct hit he would've been pushed down and through and out of the area and even the Moon itself entirely even if he was durable enough to tank it. The blade hit the ground and circled down and through the moon.

>He did not tank what Sasuke's Susanoo failed to tank obviously.

The fists used against Sasuke's Susanoo are larger and thus stronger than what Naruto overpowered. Yes, overpowered. He's shown punching through the fist in that scan, not tanking it. Then we have the fact that Kaguya wasn't even trying to kill him so it's pretty obvious she was holding back along with the fact that we can blatantly see her holding back.

That explosion from The Last when Toneri absorbed his chakra is also irrelevant. Base Naruto is not as durable as cloaked Naruto who is not as durable as cloaked Naruto's Kurama Mode thus there's no arguing Naruto w/o his Avatar is on par with Sasuke's Susanoo in durability let alone superior. All posting that feat does is show that the blast is weak enough to be survived by Base Naruto and anyone on par or superior to him.


Adult Naruto doesn't even have Gudo Dama. So no. OP made it clear that this is feats only even if you wanted to argue that he could recreate them.



None of those are power boosters. Full Kurama is more chakra, not stronger chakra. That's pointless when Naruto isn't using his Avatar. Hashirama's cells also only boost stamina and chakra. Not the power of jutsu.

The OP said only the avatars are restricted. I find it pretty funny how you mention adult Sasuke using Rinnegan abilities yet Naruto can't use TSBs.