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That portion of the movie contradicts canon, so obviously I'm not going to take it into account. The movie has always been canon and I have always said that it was canon. One thing being wrong doesn't negate the legitimacy of the entire movie, and Kishimoto's guidebook is irrelevant. I can easily get other scans of Sasuke's Rinnegan being active while his Sharingan wasn't.
How is Kishimoto work irrelevant are you the real creator of the naruto now? Dude you know how many things in has contradictions in the manga/series itself already ? So basically your just picking and choosing what to able?
 

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What about the other Chidori that he used? They had no black whatsoever, so they lacked Hagoromo's Six Paths Sage chakra.

What you think is logical for Sasuke to use is irrelevant. Your argument is "Sasuke used X against Y so it must have contained Hagoromo's power."
:lol Sasuke knows that Juubi's Jinchuuriki can't be hurt with Ninjutsu, thus he'd attack with something that can hurt them. That simple. Sasuke knew that Obito couldn't be hurt by Ninjutsu, so he had Jugo power his Susanoo with Senjutsu. Sasuke knows that Kaguya and Madara can only be hurt by Senjutsu, so that's exactly what he'd attack with.

Your argument holds no water, because we know what Chidori becomes when Hagoromo's Sage chakra is mixed in. The Chidori that Sasuke attempted to stop Madara from absorbing chakra had none of it. End of story.
You can do us all a favor and cut the BS now. I'll take Sasuke's decisions over your opinions any day. If Sasuke is attacking someone who can only be hurt by Senjutsu with an attack, then that means he has the power to hurt them unless you are going to argue that Sasuke attacked them knowing he'd do nothing. Lol @ my argument holding no water when your argument barely has a stance.

And color is a pointless argument to make. Curse Mark drains Sasuke's chakra and replaces it with Orochimaru's Senjutsu chakra, yet his Chidori turned black once and was shown as blue the rest of the time despite using Senjutsu chakra.

Relevant why? I don't think the difference between having a Rasengan manually grinded into your back & switching places with someone who has already been hit with the move, then immediately being launched away needs to be explained.
Lol it's become so obvious that you are grasping at straws that it's not even funny.

-Rasengan hits foe.
-Rasengan pushes foe away.

That is exactly what happened in both scenarios. Obito was pushed away by the Rasengan, thus it had force behind it. Them not zeroing in on the impact spot to show the grinding doesn't mean that it didn't happen. The only reason it didn't happen is because Ninjutsu can't do anything significant to his body as the Manga has shown.


Obito's body was smoking, was it not? The technique couldn't do it's full damage because it was negated when the Truthseekers pulled it off of Obito's smoking body.

Obito literally switched places with Minato whom already got hit, was launched back, then the Rasengan "exploded" into flames.
-Rasengan hits him, no real damage is done.
-SM Rasengan hits him, he has a hole in his back.

Do the math. Not sure what you think you are getting at here with Minato, but it makes zero sense. Minato already getting hit is irrelevant as the force behind the attack still hit Obito, which is why Obito was thrown back unless you think some imaginary force is what tossed him back. If the force behind their Rasengan hit Obito and sent him flying back, then he took a Rasengan to the gut just like any other character in the Manga who has ever been hit by Rasengan yet came out with no damage.

And what happened after Obito got hit with Enton Rasenshuriken? Truthseekers swooped in and negated it, did it not? The same wasn't possible for a senjutsu Rasengan.

Obito's body wouldn't be smoking if his body negated the flames. That makes absolutely no sense.
I see that you are still ignoring everything that scan says. so I'll just repeat it.

-Rasengan hits Obito's back and damages his BODY.
-Sasuke is surprised because it worked.
-Meaning Ninjutsu DOESN'T NORMALLY WORK on the Jin's body.

If they came to the conclusion that "Ninjutsu does work on his body, but the Gudo Dama are too quick to protect him" then there's no reason why Sasuke and Minato would be surprised that a direct hit to the body would hurt him.

Ninjutsu damage can be negated even after the ninjutsu has hit the jinchuriki. The same isn't possible with taijutsu & senjutsu.
What in the world? No, it can't. Not shown in the Manga or hinted at in any other form of the story that'd actually matter in this debate.

-Minato says that only Taijutsu and Senjutsu work on him.
-Minato then says that Gai can't hit the Gudo Dama, meaning Taijutsu doesn't work on them.
-If he was only talking about Madara's Gudo Dama he wouldn't have said Taijutsu works, as it doesn't as he stated later on in the chapter.

Meaning he was talking about Madara's body.

The chakra of the Ten Tails is completely independent of it's natural energy composition that makes it unable to be directly sensed outside of Sage Mode.
A user trained in the arts of senjutsu can sense the flow of natural energy without even being in Sage Mode. Sage Mode wasn't needed to sense what Naruto did, yet it was needed to sense the Juubi. Not really hard to put the pieces together here.

Naruto got the natural energy, but it was still flowing.
Which still doesn't matter since Sasuke isn't trained in the arts of Senjutsu nor was he able to sense Nature Energy before Hagoromo's power.

How is Kishimoto work irrelevant are you the real creator of the naruto now? Dude you know how many things in has contradictions in the manga/series itself already ? So basically your just picking and choosing what to able?
I'm not arguing this with you. If you don't have the brain capacity to pick out obvious contradictions from canon material that's on you.
 
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:lol Sasuke knows that Juubi's Jinchuuriki can't be hurt with Ninjutsu, thus he'd attack with something that can hurt them. That simple. Sasuke knew that Obito couldn't be hurt by Ninjutsu, so he had Jugo power his Susanoo with Senjutsu. Sasuke knows that Kaguya and Madara can only be hurt by Senjutsu, so that's exactly what he'd attack with.
This is becoming circular. Truthseekers imbued with Yin-Yang are part of a Ten Tails Jinchuriki's power.


You can do us all a favor and cut the BS now. I'll take Sasuke's decisions over your opinions any day. If Sasuke is attacking someone who can only be hurt by Senjutsu with an attack, then that means he has the power to hurt them unless you are going to argue that Sasuke attacked them knowing he'd do nothing. Lol @ my argument holding no water when your argument barely has a stance.

And color is a pointless argument to make. Curse Mark drains Sasuke's chakra and replaces it with Orochimaru's Senjutsu chakra, yet his Chidori turned black once and was shown as blue the rest of the time despite using Senjutsu chakra.
What the hell? Color is the only thing that matters here. Sasuke's Cs2 form is irrelevant.

-Sasuke states that he will use the Six Paths Power.
-His Chidori becomes black.

Thus, the only conclusion is that Six Paths Chidori is black.

Sasuke's decision is irrelevant when we the readers can blatantly see what he is using.
He used Chidori against someone whom he knew could absorb any jutsu, so I guess only Sasuke's ninjutsu can work against Kaguya according to your logic. :lol


Lol it's become so obvious that you are grasping at straws that it's not even funny.

-Rasengan hits foe.
-Rasengan pushes foe away.

That is exactly what happened in both scenarios. Obito was pushed away by the Rasengan, thus it had force behind it. Them not zeroing in on the impact spot to show the grinding doesn't mean that it didn't happen. The only reason it didn't happen is because Ninjutsu can't do anything significant to his body as the Manga has shown.




-Rasengan hits him, no real damage is done.
-SM Rasengan hits him, he has a hole in his back.

Do the math. Not sure what you think you are getting at here with Minato, but it makes zero sense. Minato already getting hit is irrelevant as the force behind the attack still hit Obito, which is why Obito was thrown back unless you think some imaginary force is what tossed him back. If the force behind their Rasengan hit Obito and sent him flying back, then he took a Rasengan to the gut just like any other character in the Manga who has ever been hit by Rasengan yet came out with no damage.
There was no "grinding" with Enton Rasenshuriken. Obito got hit, he was sent back, then it exploded. That was all that happened and afterwards he was left with his body smoking.

It's not equivalent to a Sage Mode user forcibly shoving grinding the Rasengan in your back for an extended period of time.
If Naruto tried the same in base, Obito would've been hit, but the Truthseekers would've swooped in and negated the Rasengan just like with Enton Rasenshuriken.



I see that you are still ignoring everything that scan says. so I'll just repeat it.

-Rasengan hits Obito's back and damages his BODY.
-Sasuke is surprised because it worked.
-Meaning Ninjutsu DOESN'T NORMALLY WORK on the Jin's body.

If they came to the conclusion that "Ninjutsu does work on his body, but the Gudo Dama are too quick to protect him" then there's no reason why Sasuke and Minato would be surprised that a direct hit to the body would hurt him.
Because in that scenario, the Truthseekers could not protect him, since they can't negate senjutsu.

What in the world? No, it can't. Not shown in the Manga or hinted at in any other form of the story that'd actually matter in this debate.

-Minato says that only Taijutsu and Senjutsu work on him.
-Minato then says that Gai can't hit the Gudo Dama, meaning Taijutsu doesn't work on them.
-If he was only talking about Madara's Gudo Dama he wouldn't have said Taijutsu works, as it doesn't as he stated later on in the chapter.

Meaning he was talking about Madara's body.
Because even when ninjutsu lands a direct hit, the Truthseekers negate it anyway. The same isn't possible with taijutsu or senjutsu. I'm not sure whats so hard to understand.



Which still doesn't matter since Sasuke isn't trained in the arts of Senjutsu nor was he able to sense Nature Energy before Hagoromo's power.
What? Where exactly are you going with this? Any trained individual in the art of senjutsu would've sensed what Naruto did in their base form, which makes the need for senjutsu irrelevant.

You don't get any sort of sensing abilities just by possessing some Sage chakra. Sage mode users can actually see natural energy while Sasuke can only feel it.
 

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Not saying Sasuke would lose but full intelligence helps out Hashirama a lot here...

Hashirama's large chakra pool would allow him to spam clones, keeping Sasuke guessing on who's the real one.. Making CT and Ameno to be used cautiously.
 

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This is becoming circular. Truthseekers imbued with Yin-Yang are part of a Ten Tails Jinchuriki's power.
Neither the Jin or his Gudo Dama are effected by Ninjutsu. This is only circular because you are making petty excuses for Obito getting hit and people being surprised it worked.

What the hell? Color is the only thing that matters here. Sasuke's Cs2 form is irrelevant.

-Sasuke states that he will use the Six Paths Power.
-His Chidori becomes black.

Thus, the only conclusion is that Six Paths Chidori is black.
No, it's not. Both use Senjutsu Chakra, yet both were only shown to be black once. Sasuke using Chidori and Susanoo against people who will just negate his Ninjutsu means that his techniques have the capability to hurt them, otherwise he wouldn't be attacking in the first place.

Sasuke's decision is irrelevant when we the readers can blatantly see what he is using.
I'm gonna go ahead and side with logic over your nonsensical argumentation. Nice try though.

He used Chidori against someone whom he knew could absorb any jutsu, so I guess only Sasuke's ninjutsu can work against Kaguya according to your logic. :lol
Kaguya being able to absorb any Ninjutsu doesn't mean that Ninjutsu is entirely useless on her, which is why she fought Susanoo instead of absorbing it, and got cut by Kakashi's Raikiri. Ninjutsu is entirely useless against a Juubi's Jinchuuriki and Kaguya due to Onymoton as shown, so you sound ridiculous telling me Sasuke is trying to attack Madara (who can't absorb every jutsu so let's stop ignoring evidence for the millionth time) and Kaguya with something he knows won't work 100% of the time.

Kaguya's reaction to Chidori ends your comparison anyway. She dodged it. Period.

There was no "grinding" with Enton Rasenshuriken. Obito got hit, he was sent back, then it exploded. That was all that happened and afterwards he was left with his body smoking.
Not sure how long you are going to grasp at straws here. Quit talking about this "lol no grinding" when the only thing that caused that grinding into Obito's back was the force of Naruto slamming the Rasengan into him. That is exactly what happens whenever Naruto hits anyone with Rasengan. Naruto didn't do some magic track against Obito in sage mode that'd cause his Rasengan to have a different effect than normal.

-Naruto hits Obito with Rasengan both times.
-Rasengan hits Obito and then pushes him away.

It's not equivalent to a Sage Mode user forcibly shoving grinding the Rasengan in your back for an extended period of time.
If Naruto tried the same in base, Obito would've been hit, but the Truthseekers would've swooped in and negated the Rasengan just like with Enton Rasenshuriken.
Lol the only reason that was negated is because it was negated after it hit him. If Naruto tried that in Base, Obito would've been hit, pushed to the ground, and left uninjured. Unless the Rasengan exists after hitting him then no, it's not going to negate it after the fact. Makes no sense.

Because in that scenario, the Truthseekers could not protect him, since they can't negate senjutsu.
Lol what a ridiculous conclusion. The Gudo Dama not being able to protect him isn't something they'd be surprised at as they already landed a hit on him without the Gudo Dama being able to block the blow beforehand. Meaning that Sasuke was surprised at the fact that when the Rasengan hit his body, it did damage.

Because even when ninjutsu lands a direct hit, the Truthseekers negate it anyway. The same isn't possible with taijutsu or senjutsu. I'm not sure whats so hard to understand.
No, I'm not so sure what's so hard to understand. This whole "Ninjutsu damage is negated" nonsense is 100% fanfiction. Fanfiction. The Gudo Dama negated Enton RS after it hit because the flame still existed on Obito's body after the hit. That's not him negating damage done by the attack, that's him negating the attack.

What? Where exactly are you going with this? Any trained individual in the art of senjutsu would've sensed what Naruto did in their base form, which makes the need for senjutsu irrelevant.
And Sasuke isn't. The only thing that changed in between the war arc and the Kaguya arc is that he got Hagoromo's power. So do the math. That is why he can feel Nature Energy.

You don't get any sort of sensing abilities just by possessing some Sage chakra. Sage mode users can actually see natural energy while Sasuke can only feel it.
Manga disagrees.
 
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Neither the Jin or his Gudo Dama are effected by Ninjutsu. This is only circular because you are making petty excuses for Obito getting hit and people being surprised it worked.
Obito's body wouldn't be smoking from Enton Rasenshuriken if his body negated ninjutsu. Do you know what smoke implies? It implies that Obito was burned.
That means that it can work against the body.
By your logic, he shouldn't have had a single mark on him.

You also subscribe to this "logic" that Sasuke's Chidori possesses Hagoromo's power because he used it against Kaguya & she dodged it, correct?
The same can be said for Amaterasu since Obito chose to block it with his Truthseeker staff.

No, it's not. Both use Senjutsu Chakra, yet both were only shown to be black once. Sasuke using Chidori and Susanoo against people who will just negate his Ninjutsu means that his techniques have the capability to hurt them, otherwise he wouldn't be attacking in the first place.
:lol

Sasuke used a Six Paths Chidori once in the manga. You know what constitutes as tangible evidence? Panels that show the same black Chidori that he used against Madara. Anything else is irrelevant.

I'm gonna go ahead and side with logic over your nonsensical argumentation. Nice try though.
Your siding with your own logic, not with what the manga has shown. The manga has shown the readers that Six Paths Chidori is black. Absolutely nothing will ever change this.
Anything more you say on this is a concession, because you definitely aren't bringing tangible on-panel evidence, just "your logic". :lol

Don't really care about what you side with in the end. I can only tell you the truth, not make you believe it. That isn't worth the effort.


Kaguya being able to absorb any Ninjutsu doesn't mean that Ninjutsu is entirely useless on her, which is why she fought Susanoo instead of absorbing it, and got cut by Kakashi's Raikiri. Ninjutsu is entirely useless against a Juubi's Jinchuuriki and Kaguya due to Onymoton as shown, so you sound ridiculous telling me Sasuke is trying to attack Madara (who can't absorb every jutsu so let's stop ignoring evidence for the millionth time) and Kaguya with something he knows won't work 100% of the time.

Kaguya's reaction to Chidori ends your comparison anyway. She dodged it. Period.
Obito's reaction to Amaterasu ends your comparison anyway. He blocked it. Period.

Not sure how long you are going to grasp at straws here. Quit talking about this "lol no grinding" when the only thing that caused that grinding into Obito's back was the force of Naruto slamming the Rasengan into him. That is exactly what happens whenever Naruto hits anyone with Rasengan. Naruto didn't do some magic track against Obito in sage mode that'd cause his Rasengan to have a different effect than normal.

-Naruto hits Obito with Rasengan both times.
-Rasengan hits Obito and then pushes him away.



Lol the only reason that was negated is because it was negated after it hit him. If Naruto tried that in Base, Obito would've been hit, pushed to the ground, and left uninjured. Unless the Rasengan exists after hitting him then no, it's not going to negate it after the fact. Makes no sense.



Lol what a ridiculous conclusion. The Gudo Dama not being able to protect him isn't something they'd be surprised at as they already landed a hit on him without the Gudo Dama being able to block the blow beforehand. Meaning that Sasuke was surprised at the fact that when the Rasengan hit his body, it did damage.



No, I'm not so sure what's so hard to understand. This whole "Ninjutsu damage is negated" nonsense is 100% fanfiction. Fanfiction. The Gudo Dama negated Enton RS after it hit because the flame still existed on Obito's body after the hit. That's not him negating damage done by the attack, that's him negating the attack.
Then you're going to need to prove that the Rasengan in the Enton Rasenshuriken was applied to Obito as long as Sage Naruto's Rasengan was before exploding. Rasenshuriken explodes right after hitting the target. A Rasengan being in the middle means nothing, because the technique is still functioning like a Rasenshuriken.

If Naruto tried that in base, the Truthseekers would've moved in and negated the Rasengan, just like with Enton Rasenshuriken.

And Sasuke isn't. The only thing that changed in between the war arc and the Kaguya arc is that he got Hagoromo's power. So do the math. That is why he can feel Nature Energy.
I'm wondering why you think that Sasuke only "gained" the ability to feel the flow of natural energy after he got the Yin Seal. There isn't anything connected to the Yin Seal that would imply that it would grant someone this ability.

Ems Sasuke would be capable of doing the same exact thing.

Manga disagrees.
With what? You haven't posted any evidence so far. You think in a hypothetical scenario if Naruto shared one percent of his Sage chakra with Lee, he would magically become able to sense like a Sage? :lol

You really think that deserves a response?

Such a boost comes from Sage Mode. Jugo has zero sensing aptitude even though he takes in natural energy constantly & manipulates Sage chakra(Sage Transformation). He still needed Karin to pinpoint Bee's location for example.
 
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Obito's body wouldn't be smoking from Enton Rasenshuriken if his body negated ninjutsu. Do you know what smoke implies? It implies that Obito was burned.
That means that it can work against the body.
By your logic, he shouldn't have had a single mark on him.
Irrelevant. Obito was hit with an SM Rasengan and a KCM Rasengan+Enton yet he took no damage from the latter except a tiny burn on his side while the former put a hole in his back, meaning Ninjutsu isn't a viable form of combat against the Jinchuuriki.

You also subscribe to this "logic" that Sasuke's Chidori possesses Hagoromo's power because he used it against Kaguya & she dodged it, correct?
The same can be said for Amaterasu since Obito chose to block it with his Truthseeker staff.
No, because he used it against people who he knows can't be hurt. Period. Nothing more. Same goes for Madara. Not sure how many times I have to repeat this. So your little comparison is irrelevant, especially since Obito blocking Amaterasu is better than him taking it head on even if it can't hurt him as their goal was to distract him.

:lol

Sasuke used a Six Paths Chidori once in the manga. You know what constitutes as tangible evidence? Panels that show the same black Chidori that he used against Madara. Anything else is irrelevant.



Your siding with your own logic, not with what the manga has shown. The manga has shown the readers that Six Paths Chidori is black. Absolutely nothing will ever change this.
Anything more you say on this is a concession, because you definitely aren't bringing tangible on-panel evidence, just "your logic". :lol

Don't really care about what you side with in the end. I can only tell you the truth, not make you believe it. That isn't worth the effort.
Then I'll just take this as you ignoring clear cut evidence.

-Sasuke attacked Kaguya with Chidori.
-Sasuke attacked Kaguya with Susanoo on more than one occasion.
-Sasuke was about to cut Madara's body again with Chidori Eiso.


Meaning he attacked them intending to do damage, meaning those jutsu had the capability to hurt his foes had they struck. End of story. You can stop ignoring manga fact now. Curse Seal replaces Sasuke's chakra with Orochimaru's Senjutsu chakra yet his Chidori is blue every single time he uses Chidori in level 2 during Part II contrary to it being black when he used it at Valley of the End.

Obito's reaction to Amaterasu ends your comparison anyway. He blocked it. Period.
Terrible comparison has already been addressed.

Then you're going to need to prove that the Rasengan in the Enton Rasenshuriken was applied to Obito as long as Sage Naruto's Rasengan was before exploding. Rasenshuriken explodes right after hitting the target. A Rasengan being in the middle means nothing, because the technique is still functioning like a Rasenshuriken.
Lol when will you stop this ridiculous ass attempt at grasping at these ridiculously far straws? Rasenshuriken exploding after impact is irrelevant as before that explosion happened Obito was hit, and then sent flying back by the force of the hit. Meaning he'd take damage from the impact just as anyone else would when they are hit with Rasengan.

-Naruto hits Obito in the back.
-Then Obito is sent flying down.

-Naruto and Sasuke hit Obito in the chest.
-Obito goes flying backwards, but with the Rasengan still on his chest so it was applied longer before actually exploding.

It functioning as a Rasen Shuriken is irrelevant when it can function as a Rasen Shuriken and still cause the same damage as a Rasengan if the ball hits the opponent.

-Sasuke sees that Obito is damaged by Rasengan.
-Manga panel closes up on Obito being damaged by Rasengan.
-Sasuke is surprised.
-Meaning that regular Ninjutsu can't do jack to the Jinchuuriki's body.

-Minato outright states that only taijutsu and senjutsu work on Madara.
-Yet you are still here arguing the contrary with weak evidence like "lol because Ninjutsu is negated after the damage done too". :lol What?

If Naruto tried that in base, the Truthseekers would've moved in and negated the Rasengan, just like with Enton Rasenshuriken.
If Naruto tried that in Base, the Rasengan would do nothing to Obito like in canon and then he'd fall to the ground. This "negating Ninjutsu after the fact" fanfiction BS you keep speaking of is nothing more than...fanfiction BS.


I'm wondering why you think that Sasuke only "gained" the ability to feel the flow of natural energy after he got the Yin Seal. There isn't anything connected to the Yin Seal that would imply that it would grant someone this ability.

Ems Sasuke would be capable of doing the same exact thing.
Nope. If he could feel Nature Energy then he wouldn't be sitting there clueless at what Kabuto was doing during their fight regardless of him knowing about Sage Mode or not.

Such a boost comes from Sage Mode. Jugo has zero sensing aptitude even though he takes in natural energy constantly & manipulates Sage chakra(Sage Transformation). He still needed Karin to pinpoint Bee's location for example.
Lol irrelevant ass point since being able to sense Nature Energy has literally nothing to do with being able to sense regular chakra.
 
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Different type, same signature, so you don't have a point.

Sasuke said "how did he gain all this NE" because what he felt was NE. There's absolutely no dancing around this point so you can stop it now.

Juubi being Nature Energy is irrelevant. It's Jins have chakra. Minato being able to sense Madara's chakra after getting the Juubi doesn't prove that he has a magic ability to distinguish regular chakra and senjutsu chakra. Minato saying "The power of Rikudo is stronger in Madara" means that his Juubi power is stronger, and it doesn't take a genius to tell whether or not Madara had the Juubi's power.
Wrong again .Oro stated senjutsu chakra as one of the reasons why Karin couldnt recognise Kabuto's Chakra .but that is irrelevant anyway .


Let's cut it right now .
Sasuke being able to feel nature energy/Senjutsu because of having senjutsu chakra is an assumption on your part since it was never ever stated in the manga that having senjutsu chakra makes you feel nature energy regardless of not being sage mode user . which makes this whole point irrelevant .you cant prove your non-proved point with a baseless assumption ,nothing more than a theory that sasuke felt it because of having senjutsu chakra .your are creating a fanfiction to prove a fanfiction .:lol

There are other explanations to why sasuke felt it ,but you choose to pick the one that appeals to you and matches your point and leads you to the conclusion that naruto and sasuke have got hagromo chakra halves .

- one explanation could be that sasuke has got familiar with nature energy and senjutsu due to utilizing it for more than 3 years through the CM. Sasuke saying "i can feel it" doesnt prove that he can sense nature energy .feeling =/= sensing .Non sensor shinobi can feel huge amounts of chakra despite not being sensors .the same case could be here .sasuke ,who is familiar with NE and senjutsu ,was able to feel ,not sense ,massive flow of NE despite not being NE sensor .

-Another explanation would be that ,the power that Hashirama gave to sasuke to counter his senjutsu has something to do with feeling massive flow of NE .

-Another explanation would be that The one eyed Rinnegan grants Sasuke the ability to distinguish NE/Senjutsu
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-The explanations above aren't supported with plain manga scans but so is your explanation .but by somehow you want to use the explanation that appeals to you the most as a fact whereas other explanations could seem more logical to another one .so let's drop the whole "sasuke feeling NE/senjutsu in the vote" point because it isn't going to prove that sasuke has hagromo chakra in any shape or form .you can't prove an assumption with another assumption .
 

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Wrong again .Oro stated senjutsu chakra as one of the reasons why Karin couldnt recognise Kabuto's Chakra .but that is irrelevant anyway .
Lol try again. Senjutsu Chakra+Oro+Karin+Kimimaro+Tayuya+Jirobo+Sakon+Ukon+Kidomaru=Kabuto's new chakra. That is why she didn't recognize it. Please don't read selectively.

Let's cut it right now .
Sasuke being able to feel nature energy/Senjutsu because of having senjutsu chakra is an assumption on your part since it was never ever stated in the manga that having senjutsu chakra makes you feel nature energy regardless of not being sage mode user . which makes this whole point irrelevant .you cant prove your non-proved point with a baseless assumption ,nothing more than a theory that sasuke felt it because of having senjutsu chakra .your are creating a fanfiction to prove a fanfiction .:lol
Sage Mode let Naruto feel the Juubi's energy. Sage Mode is Senjutsu chakra. Sasuke can't sense Nature Energy w/ EMS, yet he was able to do so after Hagoromo's power. So try again.
There are other explanations to why sasuke felt it ,but you choose to pick the one that appeals to you and matches your point and leads you to the conclusion that naruto and sasuke have got hagromo chakra halves .
Not only is that not my only support, something you'd know if you'd stop replying to me before you read, no, there aren't other explanations. None that make sense anyway.

- one explanation could be that sasuke has got familiar with nature energy and senjutsu due to utilizing it for more than 3 years through the CM. Sasuke saying "i can feel it" doesnt prove that he can sense nature energy .feeling =/= sensing .Non sensor shinobi can feel huge amounts of chakra despite not being sensors .the same case could be here .sasuke ,who is familiar with NE and senjutsu ,was able to feel ,not sense ,massive flow of NE despite not being NE sensor .
That's chakra buddy. Not Nature Energy. So that's an irrelevant comparison. You need to be trained in Senjutsu or have Senjutsu itself if you want to feel or sense Nature Energy, and Sasuke is neither. Him using the Curse Mark is irrelevant because it doesn't put him in the former category, nor is he in the latter category as he lost the Curse Mark.

-Another explanation would be that ,the power that Hashirama gave to sasuke to counter his senjutsu has something to do with feeling massive flow of NE .
Lol quit while you're behind. Hashirama transferring the rest of his normal chakra to Sasuke has jack to do with him being able to feel Senjutsu. Not to mention he almost died and his chakra vanished before he got Hagoromo's power.

-Another explanation would be that The one eyed Rinnegan grants Sasuke the ability to distinguish NE/Senjutsu
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Baseless and outright false as Pain couldn't do so. Try again.

-The explanations above aren't supported with plain manga scans but so is your explanation .but by somehow you want to use the explanation that appeals to you the most as a fact whereas other explanations could seem more logical to another one .so let's drop the whole "sasuke feeling NE/senjutsu in the vote" point because it isn't going to prove that sasuke has hagromo chakra in any shape or form .you can't prove an assumption with another assumption .
They aren't supported with anything at all. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

-Senjutsu users can feel Nature Energy.
-Sasuke couldn't do so before EMS.
-Only thing that changed since then is that he has Hagoromo's power and he has Rinnegan.
-Nagato can't sense Nature Energy.
-He has Rinnegan.
-Sasuke can.

Do the math. Not that hard.
 
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Lol, my personal favorite is how the TSB can apparently negate the harm even after an attack has connected and dealt its damage.
tbh they are indirectly implying 17 y.o Non Rikudo Sasuke's chakra pool is Gigantic enough to Pull a Gigantic Susanoo all over the battle and 9 CTs casually when nagato was coughing blood with one :|
 

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Lol try again. Senjutsu Chakra+Oro+Karin+Kimimaro+Tayuya+Jirobo+Sakon+Ukon+Kidomaru=Kabuto's new chakra. That is why she didn't recognize it. Please don't read selectively.
Please stop .after reading this scan ,anyone with average comprehension skills would realize that senjutsu chakra changes the signature of the chakra to some extent even if little but still a change ,since oro mentioned it as one of 2 reasons why kabuto chakra felt different.meaning senjutsu chakra feels different even if a little .

Sage Mode let Naruto feel the Juubi's energy. Sage Mode is Senjutsu chakra. Sasuke can't sense Nature Energy w/ EMS, yet he was able to do so after Hagoromo's power. So try again.
Sage mode makes its user sense normal chakra . can non SM users who possess senjutsu sense chakra ? No .so no getting senjutsu chakrs isnt the equivalent to SM.getting senjutsu chakra won't make you a sensor like SM user .
Not only is that not my only support, something you'd know if you'd stop replying to me before you read, no, there aren't other explanations. None that make sense anyway.
Uh .The sage is handling this point pretty well.

That's chakra buddy. Not Nature Energy. So that's an irrelevant comparison. You need to be trained in Senjutsu or have Senjutsu itself if you want to feel or sense Nature Energy, and Sasuke is neither. Him using the Curse Mark is irrelevant because it doesn't put him in the former category, nor is he in the latter category as he lost the Curse Mark.
You don't get my point .normal shinobi can feel(not sense) huge amount of chakra despite not being a sensor .sasuke isn't a normal shinobi .he has been dealing with NE and senjutsu for more than 3 years thus he is familiar with it .he knows how it feels that he can recognize massive flows of NE/Senjutsu despite not being NE sensor .in other words,Sasuke feeling Naruto gaining huge amount of chakra is something that anyone could do even nonsensors .Sasuke recognising the chakra to be NE/Senjutsu is due to him being familar with it .that is a possible explanation .nothing makes your explanation more reliable than mine .

@ the bold :stop creating fan fiction to support your point .


Lol quit while you're behind. Hashirama transferring the rest of his normal chakra to Sasuke has jack to do with him being able to feel Senjutsu.
Hashirama said he would give him a jutsu to counter his senjutsu too .

Baseless as Pain couldn't do so. Try again.
Different Rinnegan. But whatever.


They aren't supported with anything at all. Nothing Nada. Zip. Zilch.
So is yours .
 
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Lol, my personal favorite is how the TSB can apparently negate the harm even after an attack has connected and dealt its damage.
Mine is you saying jiubi jin body is immune to ninjutsu despite it getting damaged from ninjutsu canonically Lol
My favorite is Sasuke attacking Kaguya with an attack he knows can't hurt her lolol
Yes because her body is just like jiubijin body can negate ninjutsu :lol,the same woman who was damaged by sakura's punch unless if you think sakura is physically strong enough to break kaguya's bone without the chakra release from her fist
Inp4:kaguya 's skull doesn't negate ninjutsu ,it is her body ,OK buddy
Guess what ,hagoromo actually has three half's of chakra (by somehow)one went for sasuke ,the second went for nsruto and the third went for sakura .
 

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Inp4:kaguya 's skull doesn't negate ninjutsu ,it is her body ,OK buddy
Guess what ,hagoromo actually has three half's of chakra (by somehow)one went for sasuke ,the second went for nsruto and the third went for sakura .
So Sakura's punch=Ninjutsu :lol i m so done
 

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tbh they are indirectly implying 17 y.o Non Rikudo Sasuke's chakra pool is Gigantic enough to Pull a Gigantic Susanoo all over the battle and 9 CTs casually when nagato was coughing blood with one :|
Yes,sasuke manifesting PS four times and creating 9 CT that their combined size is like 1/100 of jin Madara's single CT means he has hagoromo chakra half ,:lol a better theory would be him still having the double cloak :lol
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