Adult Sasuke VS Hashirama

[lolokane]

Didn't sasuke also use a non-black chidori against kaguya, to which she responded to by dodging it?

 

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Didn't sasuke also use a non-black chidori against kaguya, to which she responded to by dodging it?

already posted the scan 2 pages ago

 

[Eng nawashi]

And the outline of Chidori Eiso is always black the blade should have been far more darker if sasuke used black chidori

it is always black but this time it was darker and bigger.

Yeah and he still attacked it with normal chidori not dark one

addressed .you didnt reply to me point .why would sasuke need to use the rikudo chakra of the seal to create rikud chakra enhanced chidori if he has half hagromo chakra outside the seal ?

Neither did RSM Naruto's kick ur point is

unlike rikudo chakra infused chidori RSM Naruto kick can still be blocked by limbo mere hands,it isnt suppossed to wreck limbo ,on the other hand ,sasuke's chidori has cut madara in half ,thus if it had rikudo chakra ,it should have cut limbo in half too just like madara .

that was not a mindless madara either
unstable equals mindless

madara wasnt controlling himself just like mindless obito ,thus there is no point in thinking that he was still utilizing onmyodmoun .

it is funny how you try to argue that chidori can be infused with senjjutsu chakra without getting black when the mange made it clear that when lightening is infused with any type of senjutsu chakra it turns black(JJ Madara's lightening,DMS kakashi's lightening ,CM2 sasuke's lightening and sasuke's rikudo chakra enhanced chidori )

inb4 the scan of CM2 sasuke using blue chidori against Deidara .

 

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it is always black but this time it was darker and bigger.

No it wasn't

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addressed .you didnt reply to me point .why would sasuke need to use the rikudo chakra of the seal to create rikud chakra enhanced chidori if he has half hagromo chakra outside the seal ?

No u didn't
He used it for black chidori to restrain madara same as Jiton rasengan

unlike rikudo chakra infused chidori RSM Naruto kick can still be blocked by limbo mere hands,it isnt suppossed to wreck limbo ,on the other hand ,sasuke's chidori has cut madara in half ,thus if it had rikudo chakra ,it should have cut limbo in half too just like madara .

becoz sasuke got hit first tried to block limbo

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madara wasnt controlling himself just like mindless obito ,thus there is no point in thinking that he was still utilizing onmyodmoun .

and sasuke was desperate to attack madara he won't use an attack that may get negated

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it is funny how you try to argue that chidori can be infused with senjjutsu chakra without getting black when the mange made it clear that when lightening is infused with any type of senjutsu chakra it turns black(JJ Madara's lightening,DMS kakashi's lightening ,CM2 sasuke's lightening and sasuke's rikudo chakra enhanced chidori )

inb4 the scan of CM2 sasuke using blue chidori against Deidara .

u answered urself

 

[Eng nawashi]

No it wasn't

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The chidori iso in the third scan has clearly bigger and draker outling

He used it for black chidori to restrain madara same as Jiton rasengan

But he needed to draw the seal chakra in order to infuse it with rikudo chakra meaning he has no rikudo chakra outside the seal as simple as that .

becoz sasuke got hit first tried to block limbo

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Ur point ?

and sasuke was desperate to attack madara he won't use an attack that may get negated

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U are just using the same argument over and over again .

u answered urself

The manga made it clear that curse mark enhanced chidori is black .meaning the one he used on deidara wasnt enhanced with senjutsu chakra of the curse mark regardless of being in CM state.

I cant believe that people try to prove naruto and sasuke's having hagromo chakra halves using minor and sub things like that .

 

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The chidori iso in the third scan has clearly bigger and draker outling

No it isn't

But he needed to draw the seal chakra in order to infuse it with rikudo chakra meaning he has no rikudo chakra outside the seal as simple as that .

Yes he used it to restrain madra so that jiton rasengan can seal him away

Ur point ?

read ur previous post

U are just using the same argument over and over again .

same goes for you u

The manga made it clear that curse mark enhanced chidori is black .meaning the one he used on deidara wasnt enhanced with senjutsu chakra of the curse mark regardless of being in CM state.

I cant believe that people try to prove naruto and sasuke's having hagromo chakra halves using minor and sub things like that .

what da hell :|

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[Eng nawashi]

No it isn't

:lol

Yes he used it to restrain madra so that jiton rasengan can seal him away

Then why didnt he use his so called rikudo chakra?

read ur previous post

What ?

same goes for you u

Not exactly .your argument is nowhere strong enough to make a fanfic like naruto and sasuke having rikudo chakra a fact .

what da hell :|

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I know that CM is senjutsu .I already mentioned that in a previous post .I am saying that sasuke didnt infuse that particular chidori against diedara with senjutsu chakra of CM since it wasnt black ,keeping in mind the fact that CM enhanced chidori is black .

 

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Then why didnt he use his so called rikudo chakra?

power

What ?

Go read

Not exactly .your argument is nowhere strong enough to make a fanfic like naruto and sasuke having rikudo chakra a fact .

Yeah sasuke can sense Senjutsu[despite not being a senor on top],Touch TSB's and hurt JJ Ok :lol

I know that CM is senjutsu .I already mentioned that in a previous post .I am saying that sasuke didnt infuse that particular chidori against diedara with senjutsu chakra of CM since it wasnt black ,keeping in mind the fact that CM enhanced chidori is black .

So how is CM2 chidori not enhanced with senjutsu if curse mark is all over his body with senjutsu chakra

 

[KingHashirama]

His rinnegan, needs that chakra he got from Rikudou.

 

[Eng nawashi]

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Spamming scans will get you nowhere .

power

So you are saying sasuke didnt draw chakra from the seal but it gave him some sort of restraining power ? Then you are sayong that sasuke used his own rikudo chakra to create that chidori too ?but by somehow it was black despite being evertime white ?

Go read

Uh .you are saying that chidori eiso didnt land on the limbo ?maybe .

Yeah sasuke can sense Senjutsu[despite not being a senor on top]

Minato sensed rikudo senjutsu chakra despite not being in sm .

Touch TSB's

You mean naruto 's ?that is normal and proves nothing .naruto let him touch it and tobirama was able to catch guadodama too .
He hurt JJ using the seal chakra .

So how is CM2 chidori not enhanced with senjutsu if curse mark is all over his body with senjutsu chakra

No idea but you seem to think that colors that kishi uses is for fun .if CM chakra has turned chidori into black one ,then any white chakra cant be enhanced by CM chakra .

 

[KidGamer65]

Doesnt change my point .senjutsu chakra feels different since it is composed of different components ,the same reason why everone chakra feels diffrenent than the chakra of anyone elso .no reason to believe that it cant be distinguished .you cant make something up to prove your point .
-Sasuke statement comes only after the nature energy had entered naruto and by that time it wasnt nature energy anymore .
-not only there is no proof that senjutsu chakra cant be distinguished but there is also minato distinguishing rikudo chakra which strengthen my point since rikudo chakra is an advanced senjutsu chakra that uses jiubi chakra which was stated to be nature energy .

Lol stop. The reason why chakra feels different is because each person has a unique signature. When you can prove that having NE will make the chakra register differently then we can talk.

Sasuke stated that Naruto had a lot of NE, so that is what he felt. Not debarable. If he felt chakra he wouldve said chakra. Minato distinguishing Rikudos chakra is irrelevant as the Juubi is rikudos power, and it has its own chakra.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Lol stop. The reason why chakra feels different is because each person has a unique signature. When you can prove that having NE will make the chakra register differently then we can talk.

Every one chakra is composed of his own physical and mental energy .add different component like nature energy and you have differenr type of chakra .

Sasuke stated that Naruto had a lot of NE, so that is what he felt. Not debarable.

Sasuke said he gained so much nature energy and that is accurate .naruto didnt gain senjutsu chakra but nature energy .and again sasuke statement comes only after the nature energy has entered the avatar body .thus noway he has felt pure nature energy .

If he felt chakra he wouldve said chakra. Minato distinguishing Rikudos chakra is irrelevant as the Juubi is rikudos power, and it has its own chakra.

Jiubi is nature energy as stated by manga .when someone takes in jiubi chakra ,he gains rikudo senjutsu chakra .that is exactly the same case here .when someone takes in nature energy ,he gains senjutsu chakra .minato was able to distinguish madara chakra to be rikudo senjutsu chakra not his regular chakra .

 

[4 Sword Style]

Your only point is an outline bro

 

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Funniest Part is this guy thinks without Rikudou chakra Teenage Sasuke is pulling 9 CT and then a Gigantic PS all over the fight.

what happened to non Rikudou sasuke's chakra reserve did it Skyrocket in a day

 

[BlacLord™]

Battlefield: fourth war
Intel:Full

Restrictions: Susanoo, Rikudou chakra,Giant wood Golems, Sasge mode.

Who wins.

Rinnegan and Rikudou chakra go hand in hand; you'll have to restrict the former. Anyway, comparing Adult Sasuke with all his new-fangled power increases that saw him bust meteors with a Chidori even in TL form, what can Base Hashirama realistically do?

With his Jikukan ninjutsu, he could even send Hashirama to the Acid Dimension and let him "stew".


You're going to need to adjust restrictions to make this a fair fight.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Funniest Part is this guy thinks without Rikudou chakra Teenage Sasuke is pulling 9 CT and then a Gigantic PS all over the fight.

what happened to non Rikudou sasuke's chakra reserve did it Skyrocket in a day

Who knows.

 

[KidGamer65]

Every one chakra is composed of his own physical and mental energy .add different component like nature energy and you have differenr type of chakra .

Sasuke said he gained so much nature energy and that is accurate .naruto didnt gain senjutsu chakra but nature energy .and again sasuke statement comes only after the nature energy has entered the avatar body .thus noway he has felt pure nature energy .

Jiubi is nature energy as stated by manga .when someone takes in jiubi chakra ,he gains rikudo senjutsu chakra .that is exactly the same case here .when someone takes in nature energy ,he gains senjutsu chakra .minato was able to distinguish madara chakra to be rikudo senjutsu chakra not his regular chakra .

Different type, same signature, so you don't have a point.

Sasuke said "how did he gain all this NE" because what he felt was NE. There's absolutely no dancing around this point so you can stop it now.

Juubi being Nature Energy is irrelevant. It's Jins have chakra. Minato being able to sense Madara's chakra after getting the Juubi doesn't prove that he has a magic ability to distinguish regular chakra and senjutsu chakra. Minato saying "The power of Rikudo is stronger in Madara" means that his Juubi power is stronger, and it doesn't take a genius to tell whether or not Madara had the Juubi's power.

 

[Unorthodox]

Rinnegan genjutsu.

 

[Brooks]

Sasuke doesn't have Rikudō chakra now? Cancer statement is cancer.

OT: Sasuke wins.

 

[TheSages456]

Except it was shown to be black. Except every other Chidori he used against JJ Madara was shown to be white with no black outline so you holding onto this point doesn't change a thing.

What about the other Chidori that he used? They had no black whatsoever, so they lacked Hagoromo's Six Paths Sage chakra.

What you think is logical for Sasuke to use is irrelevant. Your argument is "Sasuke used X against Y so it must have contained Hagoromo's power."

Your argument holds no water, because we know what Chidori becomes when Hagoromo's Sage chakra is mixed in. The Chidori that Sasuke attempted to stop Madara from absorbing chakra had none of it. End of story.

Yes, seconds after he had been hit.

Relevant why? I don't think the difference between having a Rasengan manually grinded into your back & switching places with someone who has already been hit with the move, then immediately being launched away needs to be explained.

Enton RS is an Enton with

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in the middle. :lol When the Rasengan explodes, the flame spreads.

Obito's body was smoking, was it not? The technique couldn't do it's full damage because it was negated when the Truthseekers pulled it off of Obito's smoking body.

Obito literally switched places with Minato whom already got hit, was launched back, then the Rasengan "exploded" into flames.

Except you are. After they hit Obito with Enton RS and failed:

-Naruto hits Obito's body with Rasengan.
-Sasuke wonders why it did any meaningful damage.
-Meaning Ninjutsu doesn't work on his body.

If Ninjutsu worked on his body and that was the conclusion they reached, why would Sasuke and Minato be surprised that a Rasengan hurt Obito?

And what happened after Obito got hit with Enton Rasenshuriken? Truthseekers swooped in and negated it, did it not? The same wasn't possible for a senjutsu Rasengan.

Obito's body wouldn't be smoking if his body negated the flames. That makes absolutely no sense.

Then why would he say that physical damage works on him in the same breath he said Senjutsu would work even though he told Gai, who only uses physical attacks, to avoid hitting the Gudo Dama? Which would mean that physical damage from Taijutsu doesn't really work. What you are saying doesn't make sense.

The context makes it clear that he's referring to Madara's body, because out of Madara's body and the Gudo Dama, the only thing that physical damage from Taijutsu would actually work on is the former and not the latter.

Ninjutsu damage can be negated even after the ninjutsu has hit the jinchuriki. The same isn't possible with taijutsu & senjutsu.

Ok, fine. However...

The Juubi not being a human is irrelevant as it still has chakra and manipulates chakra just like any human would.

Spoiler

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-Kurama gathers it.
-Clone is cancelled.
-Then the energy reaches Naruto's body. (Naruto says "Got it!")
-Only then does Sasuke say that he can feel it.

He didn't sense the build up, he only sensed it once it hit Naruto's body.

The chakra of the Ten Tails is completely independent of it's natural energy composition that makes it unable to be directly sensed outside of Sage Mode.

A user trained in the arts of senjutsu can sense the flow of natural energy without even being in Sage Mode. Sage Mode wasn't needed to sense what Naruto did, yet it was needed to sense the Juubi. Not really hard to put the pieces together here.

Naruto got the natural energy, but it was still flowing.