Adult Sakura Vs Adult Chojuro

[Melanin]

His cqc with Kinshiki is above anything she's done in cqc.

No it's not, Sakura evaded Kaguya's "super fast" (said by Naruto) chakra arm. That feat in itself is just as daunting Chojuro getting out of the way of Kinshiki attack He saw coming before he dodged it. So do you have any other feats of his? Becuase this one feat your using isn't enough to argue in Chojuro's favor when sakura has a just as impressive feat.

Her anime fight with Shin is filler

It's only filler becuase you want it to be but I don't have to use the add on events that happened in the anime to win this argument. Sakura nor only evaded Kaguya's chakra arm in the war arc (earlier in the manga), she blitzed a MS user then one one shotted him, took out 20+ Juubi with one punch to the ground, repelled iron sand with her bare fist, fought her way has read through intricate attack patterns and more...

I could go on but I've already made my point, the only feat you can produce of Chojuro's isn't gonna cut when Sakura not only has a feat just as impressive but more.

so don't bother using that as a bases.

Again it isn't filler but I don't need it to prove Sakura>Chojuro

Kinshiki is above anything Sakura has ever fought head on, and not taken by surprise.

Just as the the Kaguya and her chakra arm is just as fast , strong if not faster or stronger then anything Chojuro has faced. See how I did that?

Sakura evading Kaguya . Now you soDrund like a parrot. This claim of yours has already been proven wrong.

In you imagination maybe but the manga scan says otherwise XD

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Plus Kakashi saved her ass.

I never denied that, I in fact said that exactly earlier in this discussion. Sakura managed to dodge, evade or get away from the chakras arm initial attempt at grabbing. The chakra arm nearly got or almost got her in its second attempt but she was saved by Kakashi. It's sort of similar to the Chojuro and Kinishki situation.. Chojuro dodged the first attack but failed to dodge the second one ..

Sakura beats him though.

Filler doesn't count

It's filler when it doesn't suit your narrative huh?

Lol STOP quoting me, you've taken like 100 L's this week alone.

 

[Jinrou]

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Already addressed this with my opnion on the matter long ago.

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So how am i using that panel when im literally using everything other than that panel??

Sakura evading his attacks doesn't translate into her avoiding every single attack combination constantly and without fail with every single physical evasion. The speed gap isn't that huge.




Never implied his attacks would neg Sakura as is why i said the match would be high diff and why i made sure to note that she can dodge his attacks. So no , not a direct counter.




Different type of attacks with different movement and activation speed. Chojuro's Chakra-wave have the speed feat of outpacing Kinshiki before he could attack Sasuke who was less than 4m away.

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Better speed feat than any of Sasori's attacks used against Sakura. All we saw Sasori use against her before that statment by Chyo were large structures , not things fast enough to outpace Kinchiki before he could attack from 4m away while already in motion.

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Never said he would. Never claimed they were. The combinations is wat i said could tag Sakura.




Sakura evades the first Chakra-wave but how exactly? She jumps over it , ducks or blitz to the side? Whatever the case it prevents her from instantly closing the gap smoothly. Chojuro avoided Kinshiki's attack so he does the same to Sakura followed by a swift cut via chara extension after she commits to her attack like Kinshiki did.




The difference is Chojuro's physcal movements propels attacks much faster than himself and are wide enough to keep Sakura on her toes.




Point of the matter Chojuro avoided Kinshiki's dash+attack so he easily keeps up with Sakura and can also avoid her attacks just as she can avoid his. Only difference he has much more reach and attacks that propel faster.




So kinshiki who kept up with Sasuke isn't tiers faster than Sakura in movement and striking speed?. Sakura's speed would allow her to walk all over him but yet Kinshiki couldn't?




Irrelevant , point of the matter is she isn't blitzing Chojuro if kinshiki didn't and i made sure to illustrate that in the same sentence.




Sakura not blitzing shin in an actual fight means u mentioning her surprising Shin as an argument doesn't work.
-Chojuro literally avoided Kinchiki's initial blitz when he pursued him 1 on 1. Then Kinshiki , after attacking the ground , blitzed towards Chojuro again this time from a much closer distance, and Chojuro was able to put up a guard against his attack but was over-powered by Kinshiki's might so his guard broke but yet still held his blade.

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Chojuro avoided Kinchiki's initial blitz , then was able to put up a guard for a much closer blitz afterwards. Now lets say someone was able to do these things to Hebi Sasuke's shunshin blitz , avoid his initial Blitz forcing him to attack the ground , then this person was able to put up a guard against his second blitz .

Those would be good speed/reaction feats for whoever did so because Hebi Sasuke's shunshin was on a very high level and his shunshin is faster than his attack's movement speed.

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Now we have Kinchiki who is tiers upon tiers faster.

Neo...what distance do you think is between the arm and Naruto, Sasuke?

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[neosmith500]

Neo...what distance do you think is between the arm and Naruto, Sasuke?

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Probably about 15 to 20m away from the arm attached to the main body in the top panel. Why?

 

[Made in Heaven]

Let me explain this panel as well, Naruto claims the "chakra hand" is extremely fast and coming from someone with some of the best reaction feats in the series thats quite a statement, as you can see the hand is closing in on Sakura and seconds later when Sakura realises the attack she reacts and avoids the initial assault.


reaction
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something done, felt, or thought in response to a situation or event

The reason she was saved however is because the hand was overtaking her at a speed she couldn't escape from not because she couldn't react because if she couldn't react she would have been caught by the hand before Kakashi could have saved her. It's a reaction feat whether you like it or not because she "reacted" to the inital assault and outmanouvered it for a while.

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Obviously she reacted, but everyone else did so against a stable version of the Juubi as well, while Sakura did so against an unstable version. You should also take distance into consideration.

With that said, it is by no means a speed feat as she failed to avoid/dodge it.

 

[Exaar]

Let me explain this panel as well, Naruto claims the "chakra hand" is extremely fast and coming from someone with some of the best reaction feats in the series thats quite a statement, as you can see the hand is closing in on Sakura and seconds later when Sakura realises the attack she reacts and avoids the initial assault.


reaction
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1.
something done, felt, or thought in response to a situation or event

The reason she was saved however is because the hand was overtaking her at a speed she couldn't escape from not because she couldn't react because if she couldn't react she would have been caught by the hand before Kakashi could have saved her. It's a reaction feat whether you like it or not because she "reacted" to the inital assault and outmanouvered it for a while.

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The main problem with people using this scan is they lack common sense to understand what happened in it.

Ignoring perspective completely and claiming the hand was far closer to her than it actually was, Thus massively over hyping said feat. If the hand was as people claim it was, She wouldn't be able to dodge it, no contest, since naruto/sasuke only barely managed to dodge a close range version themselves and only did so because one of naruto's clones saved their asses

 

[Made in Heaven]

@ Hinabae

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Irrelevant to my point and that debate has already moved on. You took too much time.




Then it's time you stop reading your own posts.



You do that all the time though when you are copy pasting stuff said by others. So how about keeping things in context for once?



Nobody is arguing over what you are trying to "prove". Context matters.



You can't end it with the weakest argument.

Duh. I was reminding that his words are not a real one on one comparison with anyone not there.

Fact: From what we have seen- a lot of Chojuro's strength comes from having enough team support only and for a quick burst of power. In every fight that I can remember, he benefited from other people engaging the foe in one way or another and he took his time in execution of his attack otherwise while they did so.

How do you think Kakashi would fair against Chojuro? Can you use that statement by Shika against Kakashi when Kishimoto portrays Kakashi as the stronger of the two?

I will have to agree that Shikamaru's statement isn't the be all end all of it, he doesn't know everything, and Sakura had healing duties, but even without that statement, Chojuro's speed is something Sakura cannot handle and one slice from him can end Sakura just as one punch from her can end Chojuro. The difference is Chojuro has more reach and range with his sword beam to bisect Sakura than Sakura has in punching him.

 

[MightGai]

Mmm ... just to clarify: If what shikamaru says is an indicator of something, wouldn't that mean that any of the 5 kages is stronger than purple hamura chakra byakugan SSR princess Hinata? :lol

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

LMFAo. Lmfao. Lmfao. Lmfao. Lmfao. This is still going on? What the ****? Sakura's kaguya feat and massively outrunning it for a brief moment is far greater than chojuro dodging a weaker infact much weaker character like kinshiki. This is common sense but there is a chance those fans would retake thier decisions and say shikamaru is hyping characters cuz they now know hinata is also under the "weak" category.

 

[Warlocks]

stop using their feats against kaguya and kishiki cuz both of their feats was PIS

sasuke PS sword couldn't even scratch weaker kaguya but fodder saskura could hurt her = PIS
naruto punch(unrivaled strength) cant scratch weaker kaguya but fodder saskura could hurt her = PIS
naruto/sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sakura

rinnagan sasuke was overpowered by knshiki but fodder kage was able to keepup with kinshiki =PIS
rinnagan sasuke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>new kage

 

[Team7monaa]

stop using their feats against kaguya and kishiki cuz both of their feats was PIS

sasuke PS sword couldn't even scratch weaker kaguya but fodder saskura could hurt her = PIS
naruto punch(unrivaled strength) cant scratch weaker kaguya but fodder saskura could hurt her = PIS
naruto/sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sakura

rinnagan sasuke was overpowered by knshiki but fodder kage was able to keepup with kinshiki =PIS
rinnagan sasuke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>new kage

Sakura with CES is physically stronger than Naruto.

 

[Jinrou]

Probably about 15 to 20m away from the arm attached to the main body in the top panel. Why?

I'm very bad with measuring di... no.. I am unable to measure distances in any form lol. I was trying to make a case for the Sakura panel but i've given up already xD

 

[Draegod]

^ :hyper: if we went by feats and left hype out of the equation or another characters statement Sakura without a doubt beats Chojuro, Sakura beats Chojuro. The only feat Chojuro has in this discussion is barley dodging Kinshiki's attack but that one feat cannot win this argument becuase Sakura evading Kaguya's chakra arm close range is just as formidable. If we we were to put those two feats to the side since their both in the same caliber of recognition, who has more & better feats?

Sakura does.

He has no feats that would subside Sakura in cqc.

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Don't mean to interrupt this "Debate" you guys got going on.

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(although not he best), which is why he was able to go toe to toe with Kinshiki (not just evade). Sasuke acknowledge

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, that in itself should give all th eproof you need. Also, Evading, running, or what ever you wanna call she did to kaguya's hand is a CQC feat. Its a Shunshin/running feat. And even then, she couldnt avoid almost getting caught since Susanoo grabbed her.

Chojuro has the ability to fight with one/two swords while altering there size and mass tremendously while maintaining the same speed regardless. The databook states he can change it's size and shape to whatever he see's fit (manga backs this up). His chakra (with the aid of tsuchikage) was able to momentarily paralyze a monster with strength to cut a mini god Tree with no effort.

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This is Chojuro matching the speed of Dairu (which in terms should give them the same speed feats to an extent).

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This shows the power of his swings and the damage they're capable of. Multiply them swings and send them in many angles... Im not done though.

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reacting to Kin (although he couldn't counter) in CQC just like sauke (who was able to counter and match kins attacks easier),

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was able to catch Kin off guard despite Kin reacting to Sasuke many attempts.

And let's not Downplay Black Zetsu who has great sensory abilities and was fighting the Mizukages group just fine till Naruto showed up. So based off Opponent to Opponent, Cho clearly has better CQC odds in this fight, especially with his confirmed Silent killing ability. I'd give the nod to the Kage.

 

[neosmith500]

Nb4 Katsuyu. She gets sliced by a Chakra-wave the moment smoke appears.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Sakura was sh*tting on a multiple MS user left and right and escaped the strongest being's attack for an extended moment enough to allow someone to save her. This is a more potent feat. Two MS itself was shown to have V2 A level precognition, so sakura is higher than V2 A in speed which is no surprise as average shinobi can't do sh*t against a god, not just that she couldn't dodge sakura's punch, see how fast and quick her strike speed is. Chojuro cant keep up with her and gets punched eventually. She wrecks the ground and makes him lose footing. The slice is dodged and bone crystals are dodged or wave blasted away. Katsuya tanks the brunt of the sword force and sakura shoves stabs and air blasts up high katsuyu. Mist jutsu is useless as she blows it away with air force with palm wave.

 

[Made in Heaven]

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Don't mean to interrupt this "Debate" you guys got going on.

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(although not he best), which is why he was able to go toe to toe with Kinshiki (not just evade). Sasuke acknowledge

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, that in itself should give all th eproof you need. Also, Evading, running, or what ever you wanna call she did to kaguya's hand is a CQC feat. Its a Shunshin/running feat. And even then, she couldnt avoid almost getting caught since Susanoo grabbed her.

Chojuro has the ability to fight with one/two swords while altering there size and mass tremendously while maintaining the same speed regardless. The databook states he can change it's size and shape to whatever he see's fit (manga backs this up). His chakra (with the aid of tsuchikage) was able to momentarily paralyze a monster with strength to cut a mini god Tree with no effort.

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This is Chojuro matching the speed of Dairu (which in terms should give them the same speed feats to an extent).

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This shows the power of his swings and the damage they're capable of. Multiply them swings and send them in many angles... Im not done though.

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reacting to Kin (although he couldn't counter) in CQC just like sauke (who was able to counter and match kins attacks easier),

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was able to catch Kin off guard despite Kin reacting to Sasuke many attempts.

And let's not Downplay Black Zetsu who has great sensory abilities and was fighting the Mizukages group just fine till Naruto showed up. So based off Opponent to Opponent, Cho clearly has better CQC odds in this fight, especially with his confirmed Silent killing ability. I'd give the nod to the Kage.

Excellent post. These Sakura defenders are trying to downplay Chojuro's feats against Kinshiki, who has Six Paths Chakra and went toe to toe with Sasuke, while at the same time trying to push her running away from Kaguya's hand as some sort of speed/reaction feat when it is neither and she had to be saved by Kakashi.

sakura is higher than V2 A in speed.

Unbelievable.

Sakura with CES is physically stronger than Naruto.

No.

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[Guntah]

Sakura would jump in blindly and get sliced in two by Chojuro's Hiramekarei's far superior range. The question here is if he could prevent her from summoning Katsuyu and healing from there, which I think he could, so I'm gonna say Chojuro

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

stop using their feats against kaguya and kishiki cuz both of their feats was PIS

sasuke PS sword couldn't even scratch weaker kaguya but fodder saskura could hurt her = PIS
naruto punch(unrivaled strength) cant scratch weaker kaguya but fodder saskura could hurt her = PIS
naruto/sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sakura

rinnagan sasuke was overpowered by knshiki but fodder kage was able to keepup with kinshiki =PIS
rinnagan sasuke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>new kage

Chojuro who was never even near Hebi Sasuke in pt.2 can now react to a "god" who should have no better reaction/reflexes than EMS
Sasuke and you all jovially accept it.

Sakura does a similarly phenonemenal thing and she caught Kaguya by surprise btw, who was completely distracted and you complain that was contrived.

This fan base tho.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Chojuro who was never even near Hebi Sasuke in pt.1

Chojuro didn't exist in part 1.

but can now react to a "god" who should have no better reaction/reflexes than EMS Sasuke and you all jovially accept it.

Why "should" he?

Sakura does a similarly phenonemenal thing

Except she doesn't.

and she caught Kaguya by surprise btw who was completely distracted and

Good for her.

you complain that was contrived.

It wasn't contrived because both so-called feats against Kaguya are not as outstanding as Sakura fans have deluded themselves into believing.

 

[Azarath Metrion Zinthos]

Chojuro didn't exist in part 1.

Already edited the error.

Why "should" he?

Not gonna bother. Zzz

Except she doesn't.

Except I don't care about your opinions.

Good for her.

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It wasn't contrived because both so-called feats against Kaguya are not as outstanding as Sakura fans have deluded themselves into believing.

Indeed, although I wouldn't put it that rudely. But the jist of it is true.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Indeed, although I wouldn't put it that rudely. But the jist of it is true.

What do you mean by putting it rudely?

Her feat of punching Kaguya is due to Kaguya being distracted and already moving towards Sakura.

Her feat of running away from unstable Juubi is just that: Running away. No it isn't a reaction feat, as we have to take distance into consideration, just as how Hinata reacted to the Juubi's hand as well isn't a viable reaction feat when we are talking about close-up combat. And no it isn't a speed feat either as she only delays the prowess before being saved by Kakashi rather than any sort of dodging or evading being done.