Adult Naruto vs Adult Sasuke

[Dark Rasengan]

Restrictions: hagoromo chakra, all Rinnegan abilities and boosts.
Who wins ?

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke wins, obviously. He still keeps Rinnegan while Naruto loses the abilities he got, such as RSM, which grants him enhanced sensing. Sasuke's PS would be as powerful as Madara's and he'd still have Ameno along with every other technique the Rinnegan offers him. Bijuu Dama or repelled or dodged. Ameno lets PS land direct hits on Kurama's body without Naruto being able to react in time to defend. That's GG after a few strikes.

Outside of Avatar combat Sasuke would rape Naruto. Preta Path molests his arsenal. Ameno+Chidori is a GG. Can repel whatever he can't dodge and there's also Chibaku Tensei.

 

[Dark Rasengan]

Sasuke wins, obviously. He still keeps Rinnegan while Naruto loses the abilities he got, such as RSM, which grants him enhanced sensing. Sasuke's PS would be as powerful as Madara's and he'd still have Ameno along with every other technique the Rinnegan offers him. Bijuu Dama or repelled or dodged. Ameno lets PS land direct hits on Kurama's body without Naruto being able to react in time to defend. That's GG after a few strikes.

Outside of Avatar combat Sasuke would rape Naruto. Preta Path molests his arsenal. Ameno+Chidori is a GG. Can repel whatever he can't dodge and there's also Chibaku Tensei.

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[Marin]

Naruto takes this. Without Rinenngan it would be a fight of Susanoo vs Kurama clones and given how Sasuke needed the Rinnengan to power his Susanoo up to the point where he could compete with Naruto, I'd say Naruto takes this high dif (only because he got terribly rusty from all the sitting).

 

[KidGamer65]

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Depends. Full Kurama was said to be equal with Mokujin at VoTE yet PS was fighting on par with Mokujin enhanced by Sage Mode. So in close combat Sasuke is obviously superior. Yet Naruto has far more firepower and the 11 BD barrage would do moderate to PS, but Naruto would hit himself as well unless Sasuke let him get far away. So if that continues Sasuke either destroys Naruto's Avatar or their Avatars are both destroyed.

Then it'd probably play out just like it did in canon. They fight outside of Avatar modes and tie.

Sasuke either kills him or they tie. If Full Kurama is on par w/ PS in every physical ability (Which it probably is not based on the facts) then it's a tie or Naruto wins.

The most likely outcome based on what we know (PS=SM Mokujin>Full Kurama=Mokujin) is that Sasuke kills him.

 

[Dark Rasengan]

Depends. Full Kurama was said to be equal with Mokujin at VoTE yet PS was fighting on par with Mokujin enhanced by Sage Mode. So in close combat Sasuke is obviously superior. Yet Naruto has far more firepower and the 11 BD barrage would do moderate to PS, but Naruto would hit himself as well unless Sasuke let him get far away. So if that continues Sasuke either destroys Naruto's Avatar or their Avatars are both destroyed.

Then it'd probably play out just like it did in canon. They fight outside of Avatar modes and tie.

Sasuke either kills him or they tie. If Full Kurama is on par w/ PS in every physical ability (Which it probably is not based on the facts) then it's a tie or Naruto wins.

The most likely outcome based on what we know (PS=SM Mokujin>Full Kurama=Mokujin) is that Sasuke kills him.

Can't Naruto enhance his Kurama mode with regular Frog SM ?

 

[KidGamer65]

Can't Naruto enhance his Kurama mode with regular Frog SM ?

Yeah, but it doesn't matter in the long run. Based on BSM Naruto's performance there is no large gulf of power between BM Kurama and BSM Kurama like there is between SM and Base Naruto. Then we have the fact that while Full Kurama matches Mokujin, PS matches it's Sage enhanced counterpart and unlike BM and BSM, there is a displayed power difference.

-Mokujin is as large as half of Madara's V4 Susanoo.
-SM Mokujin is almost as large as PS in it's entirety.

 

[Dark Rasengan]

Yeah, but it doesn't matter in the long run. Based on BSM Naruto's performance there is no large gulf of power between BM Kurama and BSM Kurama like there is between SM and Base Naruto. Then we have the fact that while Full Kurama matches Mokujin, PS matches it's Sage enhanced counterpart and unlike BM and BSM, there is a displayed power difference.

-Mokujin is as large as half of Madara's V4 Susanoo.
-SM Mokujin is almost as large as PS in it's entirety.

And yet SM Mokujin was shown to be smaller than Kurama when Hashirama was suppressing its power. And that's with Kurama standing on 4 paws.

Sorry but you can't just base your argument on size alone. Especially that Kishi gives no ****s about scales.
And based on what would 12 bijuu bombs do moderate damage to Sasuke's PS when an explosion equal to 2 bijuu bombs did moderate damage to his PS ?
And why are we scaling Sasuke's PS to Madara's anyway ?

Also you are wrong about something, the Last movie Databook says that Kurama mode gets significantly enhanced when Naruto activates SM with it, so it's not a miniscule boost like you said.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

And yet SM Mokujin was shown to be smaller than Kurama when Hashirama was suppressing its power. And that's with Kurama standing on 4 paws.

That was regular Mokugin not the enhanced one

 

[KidGamer65]

And yet SM Mokujin was shown to be smaller than Kurama when Hashirama was suppressing its power. And that's with Kurama standing on 4 paws.

Sorry but you can't just base your argument on size alone. Especially that Kishi gives no ****s about scales.
And based on what would 12 bijuu bombs do moderate damage to Sasuke's PS when an explosion equal to 2 bijuu bombs did moderate damage to his PS ?
And why are we scaling Sasuke's PS to Madara's anyway ?

Also you are wrong about something, the Last movie Databook says that Kurama mode gets significantly enhanced when Naruto activates SM with it, so it's not a miniscule boost like you said.

That was obviously a regular Mokujin first of all. That is what comes with Shinsuusenju. It was smaller than the first Mokujin he made too so idk what point you thought you had when bringing this up. When Mokujin is used by itself is what is important here.

Kishimoto pays enough attention to detail to establish a hierarchy when it comes to size and if you want to prove otherwise you'll have to show evidence that all size comparisons in the Manga are invalid, which you haven't done as of now.

An explosion equal to 2 of RSM Naruto's Bijuu Dama did light to moderate damage to Sasuke's PS. RSM Naruto's BD dwarf Mountains when they explode. Regular BD are not. Chojo Kebutsu hit Madara's PS and destroyed half of it. 11 BD is equal to that in raw power, but unfocused (BD's explosion is multi Mountain Range while the target is only the size of a Mountain at most meanwhile Chojo Kebutsu's energy is directed all on the target), which is why 11 BD will do far less damage overall. Idk if I can say "moderate", but the important point is that the damage done will be less.'

And we are scaling Sasuke's PS to Madara's because Orochimaru said based on the information he's gathered throughout his life leads him to believe that Sasuke will eventually surpass Madara.

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Can't be stronger than Madara if his strongest Avatar is inferior to Madara's strongest Avatar.

I'm going to need to see that entry, and regardless, we've seen how strong BSM Naruto is compared to BM Naruto and the difference isn't large enough to put him on par w/ even Full Kurama physically or in firepower so there's no reason why he'd go from on par w/ Mokujin to on par w/ SM Mokujin.

 

[NarutoX28]

Assuming that Orochimaru's statement has some merit to it, we can assume that Adult Sasuke's PS would be equivalent to Madara's PS in addition to Enton Kagutsuchi which adds some destructive power for Adult Sasuke. As KidGamer mentioned previously, SM Mokujin was on par with Madara's PS whereas we're told within the Databook that Mokujin is equal in physical ability compared to Full Kurama. Essentially, we have this:

Adult Sasuke ~ EMS Madara ~ SM Mokujin >> Full Kurama ~ Mokujin

That puts Adult Sasuke at a significant advantage in terms of physical ability, so in CQC, Adult Sasuke would dominate with the inclusion of Enton Kagutsuchi. However, if BM Naruto fires a dozen of Bijuudama, then either Sasuke flies up, repels a few, or most likely gets pulverized along with BM Naruto which will end in a tie.

What's unfortunate here is that Adult Sasuke's own chakra improves substantially, but Naruto is reliant on Full Kurama's chakra for Bijuu Mode which doesn't improve at all which places Naruto at a significant disadvantage when that wasn't the case before.

 

[enditallsin]

Naruto win's. Sasuke won't be able to match his power without the tailed beast.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

With full Kurama at his disposal, Naruto wins easily.

 

[Styles]

Sasuke.

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

Sasuke