[VS] Admiral Akainu vs Doflamingo and Mihawk

[Punk Hazard]

As I said sword most common weapon on a pirate.

It's actually guns and that doesn't matter. Simply carrying a sword doesn't make you a swordsman. Not everyone who has a sword is automatically a swordsman. What separates Shanks from someone who just carries a sword is that Shanks has never been shown NOT reaching for his sword when in conflict, whether it be a major one like going up against an Admiral and Yonko, or a minor one like being confronted by Ace.

Who said these legendary duels were sword fights?

What else would they be?

I find it stupid how lets say that Shanks is stronger than Big Mom,Big Mom>Mihawk and Mihawk>Shanks.

Makes no sense.

Big Mom isn't necessarily stronger than Mihawk.

Besides Mihawk being best swordman in the world doesn't mean he has stronger haki than Shanks has,he is just more skilled sword wise...and I still don't see how's Mihawk stronger than Shanks sorry.I can't see Mihawk having stronger haki than Shanks who is by portrayal one of strongest Yonko.

Doesn't matter. Shanks can be stronger in individual abilities, such as Haki or stamina or durability or speed. Mihawk is still OVERALL stronger. Being the strongest swordsman means Mihawk is above Shanks in overall strength. He has a better chance of winning.

And before someone brings up that "Yonko are strongest" scan, remember a Yonko's fleets are considered part of their strength.

 

[Bogard]

No.

Real fight 1v1 Roger vs Rayleigh who wins..

Roger right? Despite we see Roger using a sword here he is stronger than Rayleigh.Same could be said for Shanks and Mihawk.

You can use a sword but it depends if it's your main fighting style or not. I don't think swordsmanship is Roger's main fighting style. In a swords fight even if we include haki, Rayleigh will win because he is the superior swordsman. Roger will only defeat Rayleigh if he uses his main fighting style

Sure Mihawk is more skilled than Shanks sword wise. Shanks is stronger haki wise.

No in a sword battle where haki is involved, Mihawk will still win because haki is only a supplement in your fighting style

 

[loj]

It's actually guns and that doesn't matter. Simply carrying a sword doesn't make you a swordsman. Not everyone who has a sword is automatically a swordsman. What separates Shanks from someone who just carries a sword is that Shanks has never been shown NOT reaching for his sword when in conflict, whether it be a major one like going up against an Admiral and Yonko, or a minor one like being confronted by Ace.


What else would they be?


Big Mom isn't necessarily stronger than Mihawk.


Doesn't matter. Shanks can be stronger in individual abilities, such as Haki or stamina or durability or speed. Mihawk is still OVERALL stronger. Being the strongest swordsman means Mihawk is above Shanks in overall strength. He has a better chance of winning.

And before someone brings up that "Yonko are strongest" scan, remember a Yonko's fleets are considered part of their strength.

As much as I know Shanks crew is as big as Luffy's one.

Shanks and his crew,I haven't seen(or I don't remember seeing)any other crew of him on another ship.

You can use a sword but it depends if it's your main fighting style or not. I don't think swordsmanship is Roger's main fighting style. In a swords fight even if we include haki, Rayleigh will win because he is the superior swordsman. Roger will only defeat Rayleigh if he uses his main fighting style

No in a sword battle where haki is involved, Mihawk will still win because haki is only a supplement in your fighting style

I find it stupid how Mihawk is considered stronger than Shanks just 'couse both use sword even though we don't know if that's Shanks'es main fight style.

Which would mean automaticaly that Mihawk is stronger than Yonko who is by portrayal one of strongest Yonko out there

But whatever...

 

[Punk Hazard]

As much as I know Shanks crew is as big as Luffy's one.

Shanks and his crew,I haven't seen(or I don't remember seeing)any other crew of him on another ship.

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I find it stupid how Mihawk is considered stronger than Shanks just 'couse both use sword even though we don't know if that's Shanks'es main fight style.

Fam...how many times have we seen Shanks draw and use his sword whenever he got into a conflict?

Which would mean automaticaly that Mihawk is stronger than Yonko who is by portrayal one of strongest Yonko out there

Kaido is the strongest Yonko.

 

[Bogard]

I find it stupid how Mihawk is considered stronger than Shanks just 'couse both use sword even though we don't know if that's Shanks'es main fight style.

Which would mean automaticaly that Mihawk is stronger than Yonko who is by portrayal one of strongest Yonko out there

But whatever...

No he isn't considered stronger than Shanks because he uses a sword, it's because he uses a sword as his main fighting style. He had legendary duels(battles where 2people use similar weapons) against the (future) world strongest swordsman, he has a rivarly with the world strongest swordsman, the world strongest swordsman who is always looking for swordsmen challengers was interested in him enough to seek for battles with him for continuous days. Shanks is portrayed as a swordsman.

That's the difference between someone holding a sword as a weapon and someone who uses a sword as his main fighting style like Shanks has always been shown to be

Yonko are intermediary in the pirate king's goal when WSS Mihawk is the pirate king's firstmate ultimate goal. Mihawk's plot importance is as good as that of yonkos if not greater

 

[loj]

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Fam...how many times have we seen Shanks draw and use his sword whenever he got into a conflict?


Kaido is the strongest Yonko.

I said on of strongest.

That's the first thing he had by hand.A sword.

He wouldn't block things with bare hands would he?

For now every Yonko had an unique fight style.

WB had Gura Gura,BB has Yami Yami,Gura Gura...Kaido could have some beast Zoan and Shanks....has a lousy sword wow.

But that's just my personal opinion on Shanks since I highly rate him.

And wow these fodders sure looks strong...

No he isn't considered stronger than Shanks because he uses a sword, it's because he uses a sword as his main fighting style. He had legendary duels(battles where 2people use similar weapons) against the (future) world strongest swordsman, he has a rivarly with the world strongest swordsman, the world strongest swordsman who is always looking for swordsmen challengers was interested in him enough to seek for battles with him for continuous days. Shanks is portrayed as a swordsman.

That's the difference between someone holding a sword as a weapon and someone who uses a sword as his main fighting style like Shanks has always been shown to be

Yonko are intermediary in the pirate king's goal when WSS Mihawk is the pirate king's firstmate ultimate goal. Mihawk's plot importance is as good as that of yonkos if not greater

Whatever I would of hated the fact if Shanks loses to Mihawk epseically by Shanks'es badass portrayal.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I said on of strongest.

Yes, Mihawk is stronger than one of the strongest Yonko. So what?

That's the first thing he had by hand.A sword.

He wouldn't block things with bare hands would he?

But what happened to his super haki?

For now every Yonko had an unique fight style.

WB had Gura Gura,BB has Yami Yami,Gura Gura...Kaido could have some beast Zoan and Shanks....has a lousy sword wow.

You *****ing about his fighting style doesn't make it not his fighting style. Doesn't matter if you find it lame or lousy, the manga has only indicated that Shanks is a swordsman.

And wow these fodders sure looks strong...

Still part of his force. WB had fodder on his ship as well, they were still part of his force. Even if each individually are crap, they still contribute to power through sheer number.

 

[Bogard]

Whatever I would of hated the fact if Shanks loses to Mihawk epseically by Shanks'es badass portrayal.

Manga father figures always overrated due to portrayal or expectations anyway and just as they are overrated, they always end up weaker than expected. Just like how Naruto's father figure and who was always looking up to(Minato) ended up weaker than Hashirama and the other gods of the Naruto manga, just like Ging is always expected to be the strongest by the fanbase eventhough the manga canonically mentioned Netero to be stronger. It's always the same thing with them and the readers funnily enough always make the same mistakes despite seeing it countless times in countless different mangas

 

[loj]

Yes, Mihawk is stronger than one of the strongest Yonko. So what?


But what happened to his super haki?


You *****ing about his fighting style doesn't make it not his fighting style. Doesn't matter if you find it lame or lousy, the manga has only indicated that Shanks is a swordsman.


Still part of his force. WB had fodder on his ship as well, they were still part of his force. Even if each individually are crap, they still contribute to power through sheer number.

So what? why is he even a Yonko then?

Sure Shanks is swordman and I still don't think he is weaker than Mihawk.Untill u prove me otherwise.

Mate....WB was a Yonko 'cause he was a ****ing beast not 'cause he a had strong crew... :|

Manga father figures always overrated due to portrayal or expectations anyway and just as they are overrated, they always end up weaker than expected. Just like how Naruto's father figure and who was always looking up to(Minato) ended up weaker than Hashirama and the other gods of the Naruto manga, just like Ging is always expected to be the strongest by the fanbase eventhough the manga canonically mentioned Netero to be stronger. It's always the same thing with them and the readers funnily enough always make the same mistakes despite seeing it countless times in countless different mangas

But Shanks isn't the father of Luffy :|

And this is not Naruto or HxH.

Usopps father is the sniper in Shanks'es crew.Luffy's dad is the head of revolutionary.Sanji's dad could be a Gorosei.That alone contradicts whatever you said.

Not only that....Ace's dad was the Pirate King.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So what? why is he even a Yonko then?

Crew, amazing strength, and influence. The WG determine who the Yonko are.

Sure Shanks is swordman and I still don't think he is weaker than Mihawk.Untill u prove me otherwise.

Because Shanks isn't WSS.

Mate....WB was a Yonko 'cause he was a ****ing beast not 'cause he a had strong crew... :|

Tons of characters are as much of a ****ing beast as WB and aren't Yonko.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Manga father figures always overrated due to portrayal or expectations anyway and just as they are overrated, they always end up weaker than expected. Just like how Naruto's father figure and who was always looking up to(Minato) ended up weaker than Hashirama and the other gods of the Naruto manga, just like Ging is always expected to be the strongest by the fanbase eventhough the manga canonically mentioned Netero to be stronger. It's always the same thing with them and the readers funnily enough always make the same mistakes despite seeing it countless times in countless different mangas

Shanks may be weaker than Mihwak. For now I would agree to that, but the fact is we just know to few for now. If Oda decides when he actually fights to not make a sword his main weapon it would make complete sense, but the other way around it would be too.

I don't really like how u compare OP with HxH and Naruto whoms powerscaling became so ridiculous that indeed Minato become a fodder before the 'Gods of the NV'. This is something Oda won't do simply because we were already introduced with the maximum height of power one can get. One Piece won't suddenly have a Hashirama or Madara popping up whoms power is tens of times greater than the strongest we had seen so far. So even if Shanks is weaker than Mihawk, the margin would be really small.

This is one of my dislikes with HxH for example. Even though Mereums power had an "explenation" if u can call it that. It was still a garbage move to make imo. The powerscaling was fine as it was and then suddenly someone turns up whom let himself be battered for a long period of time (by the second strongest character in the series who would most likely fodderize nr3 etc... with his hax Buddha) and comes out unscathed after tens of thousand of hits. That's just sh!t writing to me.

By God let's hope we will never get a Madara or Mereum in One Piece. It would be complete sh!t and an insult to every other character. The powerscalings top foundations have been laid across from the beginning, and that's how it should be.

 

[loj]

Crew, amazing strength, and influence. The WG determine who the Yonko are.

Because Shanks isn't WSS.


Tons of characters are as much of a ****ing beast as WB and aren't Yonko.

And what does that prove XD I will take that in mind when we see Shanks first time fighting against someone.

Name some go on.

WB alone was the definition of a beast.Injured nearly dead he came to Marineford and tanked whatever he could.He alone destroyed half of Marineford.Not his crew.

He is a Yonko 'couse of his strength not 'couse of crew he has/had/.

 

[Skull Knight]

Kaido is the strongest Yonko.

No he is not.

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Shanks hype is still > Kaido's hype
Roger gave his SH to Shanks. He passed his legacy to shanks maybe because he knew one day Shanks will surpass him.

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He has Conqueror Haki(few people have this)

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Shanks stopped Akainu's Lava Punch with his sword. Shanks is not "The strongest Swordman" still he stopped Akainu's lava punch which made 2holes in WB's body.

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He stopped Kaido without any injury and stopped the war(BB also ran away from MF).

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On the other hand Kaido was defeated seven times by Marines(that means admirals have already defeated him) & was captured 18times by Marines and Pirates/Revolutineries(that means he is not good in fighting/escaping)

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Crew, amazing strength, and influence.

With this logic Luffy should have got Yonko status after Dressrosa arc.
He got one of the strongest crew in OP
G4 defeated Doffy(High Shichibukai lvl guy)
Got commanders.
Revolutioneries helps him.
Escaped ID & only rookie who fought Marineford War.
from Alabasta to Dressrosa Luffy got amazing fan following

 

[Punk Hazard]

And what does that prove XD I will take that in mind when we see Shanks first time fighting against someone.

What?

Name some go on.

Kaido
Kizaru
Akainu
Aokiji
Shanks
Garp
Sengoku

He is a Yonko 'couse of his strength not 'couse of crew he has/had/.

WB would never have become Yonko if he didn't have his crew and his territories. When discussing who was closest to becoming the newest Yonko, the Gorosei said it was Teach because he was taking all of WB's old territory, which he needs a powerful crew to do.

No he is not.

Didn't read any of that shit. Kaido is the strongest thing alive, so he's the strongest character alive until that's retconned

With this logic Luffy should have got Yonko status after Dressrosa arc.
He got one of the strongest crew in OP
G4 defeated Doffy(High Shichibukai lvl guy)
Got commanders.
Revolutioneries helps him.
Escaped ID & only rookie who fought Marineford War.
from Alabasta to Dressrosa Luffy got amazing fan following

He doesn't have the strength, territory, nor the worldwide influence to be a Yonko.

"Revolutionaries help him."
Only twice have the Revs helped Luffy, at Loguetown and at Dressrosa. And that's only because those mentioned were related to him and there at the time. Dragon himself said Luffy is his own man and can handle stuff on his own and that they'd meet whenever fate decides they meet. Sabo himself said the reason he helped Luffy was because of their brotherhood, not because of any Revolutionary duty. The Revolutionary Army never gets involved with Luffy.

 

[loj]

What?

Kaido
Kizaru
Akainu
Aokiji
Shanks
Garp
Sengoku


WB would never have become Yonko if he didn't have his crew and his territories. When discussing who was closest to becoming the newest Yonko, the Gorosei said it was Teach because he was taking all of WB's old territory, which he needs a powerful crew to do.

Didn't read any of that shit. Kaido is the strongest thing alive, so he's the strongest character alive until that's retconned


He doesn't have the strength, territory, nor the worldwide influence to be a Yonko.

Tons of characters are as much of a ****ing beast as WB and aren't Yonko.

And u mention

Kizaru
Shanks
Akainu
Aokiji
Garp
Sengoku
Kaido

What are you talking about bro?

Kaido is a Yonko and so is Shanks.Other are Admirals...were one.

WB would never have become Yonko if he didn't have his crew and his territories. When discussing who was closest to becoming the newest Yonko, the Gorosei said it was Teach because he was taking all of WB's old territory, which he needs a powerful crew to do.

And why did he has so much territories? 'couse he was a freaking strong beast that's why.

 

[Skull Knight]

Kaido is the strongest thing alive, so he's the strongest character alive until that's retconned

those titles means nothing in OP.

"WSM" WB - WB's Armament haki < Akainu's lava Punch
"WSC/P" Kaido- was defeated 7times by Marines & got captured 18times by Pirates/Marines.
"God" Ussop- nothing much to say about this

He doesn't have the strength, territory, nor the worldwide influence to be a Yonko.

He got territory. He already claimed Fishmen Island.
And he has enough influence:
1)He is a hero in 5or more countries/island(Alabasta, Dressrosa, Skypeia, Fishmen, Nami's island, kujas etc)
2)He is Dragons son(Ace was executed because he was Rogers son)
3)His uncle/teacher was Rayleigh
4)He has already defeated 4shichibukai( Buggy, Crocodile, Moriah, Doffy), 3Shichibukai is his friend/allies(Jimbei, Law, Hancock).

"Revolutionaries help him."
Only twice have the Revs helped Luffy, at Loguetown and at Dressrosa. And that's only because those mentioned were related to him and there at the time. Dragon himself said Luffy is his own man and can handle stuff on his own and that they'd meet whenever fate decides they meet. Sabo himself said the reason he helped Luffy was because of their brotherhood, not because of any Revolutionary duty. The Revolutionary Army never gets involved with Luffy.

Rev helped him more then twice
1)Dragon helped him at Logue Town
2)Ivankov helped in ID
3)Ivankov again helped him at Marineford against Akainu
4)Sabo helped him in Dressrosa
Sabo has already said whenever Luffy needs him he will come& help him.

Robin also joined Rev in 2year Timeskip

 

[Punk Hazard]

And why did he has so much territories? 'couse he was a freaking strong beast that's why.

And because of his crew. You need a powerful crew to gain territories in order to gain the influence that lets you get the title of Yonko.

Everybody know those titles means nothing in OP.

"WSM" WB - WB's Armament haki < Akainu's lava Punch
"WSC/P" Kaido- was defeated 7times by Marines & got captured 18times by Pirates/Marines.
"God" Ussop- nothing much to say about this

You're claiming "God" Usopp means the same thing as world renowned titles? The narrator also said that whenever there's a 1 vs 1, always bet on Kaido.

He got territory. He already claimed Fishmen Island.
And he has enough influence. He is a hero in 5or more countries/island(Alabasta, Dressrosa, Skypeia, Fishmen, Nami's island, kujas etc)

Worldwide influence. And one island doesn't nearly cut the territory that Yonko have. It was stated that there are two ways to survive in the NW: Join the Yonko or overthrow them. Doflamingo, someone stated to be below the Yonko, was going to kill Luffy. Luffy isn't anywhere near the level of a Yonko in personal strength or in influence, since someone below the Yonko almost removed him from play.

Rev helped him more then twice
1)Dragon helped him at Logue Town
2)Ivankov helped in ID
3)Ivankov again helped him at Marineford against Akainu
4)Sabo helped him in Dressrosa
Sabo has already said whenever Luffy needs him he will come& help him.

Ivankov wasn't working with the Revs when he helped Luffy. He did it as Ivankov, not as a Revolutionary. And that was once again an instance of a member of the Revs helping Luffy for personal reasons that didn't involve the Revs as a whole. Ivankov helping him at ID and MF is the same instance btw, not two separate ones.

Robin also joined Rev in 2year Timeskip

They wanted her to join because of her status as a scholar from Ohara and what the other scholars did. She said no.

 

[Skull Knight]

You're claiming "God" Usopp means the same thing as world renowned titles? The narrator also said that whenever there's a 1 vs 1, always bet on Kaido.

nobody can beat kaido 1vs1 is just hype oda created for Kaido.
I m sure Shanks was the one who fought Kaido. His crew fought guys like calamities, kaido beasts.
Luffy is going to kick his butt soon. Maybe he will get some help from Kidd & Law.

Worldwide influence. And one island doesn't nearly cut the territory that Yonko have. It was stated that there are two ways to survive in the NW: Join the Yonko or overthrow them. Doflamingo, someone stated to be below the Yonko, was going to kill Luffy. Luffy isn't anywhere near the level of a Yonko in personal strength or in influence, since someone below the Yonko almost removed him from play.

Bro Luffy asked Bellamy did he hurt citizens of Skypeia(something like that) he thinks Skypeia is his territory now. Same can be said for other islands/countries.
If we count Strong World canon(which was written by oda)then Luffy already defeated somebody(Shiki)who was Yonko lvl at his prime.

Ivankov wasn't working with the Revs when he helped Luffy. He did it as Ivankov, not as a Revolutionary. And that was once again an instance of a member of the Revs helping Luffy for personal reasons that didn't involve the Revs as a whole. Ivankov helping him at ID and MF is the same instance btw, not two separate ones.

Still Ivankov was part of Rev & he/she helped Luffy because he/she thought Luffy & Ace were Dragon's kid.

They wanted her to join because of her status as a scholar from Ohara and what the other scholars did. She said no.

She said no because Luffy saved her from CP 9 at Ennies Lobby. Otherwise she would have left SH & join Rev.

 

[Punk Hazard]

nobody can beat kaido 1vs1 is just hype oda created for Kaido.
I m sure Shanks was the one who fought Kaido. His crew fought guys like calamities, kaido beasts.
Luffy is going to kick his butt soon. Maybe he will get some help from Kidd & Law.

Okay. And until that happens, the manga says Kaido is the strongest living character.

If we count Strong World canon(which was written by oda)then Luffy already defeated somebody(Shiki)who was Yonko lvl at his prime.

Strong World isn't canon and last I checked, Shiki wasn't in his prime.

Still Ivankov was part of Rev & he/she helped Luffy because he/she thought Luffy & Ace were Dragon's kid.

But that's not the Revs as an organization helping Luffy.

She said no because Luffy saved her from CP 9 at Ennies Lobby. Otherwise she would have left SH & join Rev.

You realize this is completely irrelevant?

 

[Skull Knight]

You realize this is completely irrelevant?

Still SHs will get help from Rev if they declare war against Marines/Yonkos.