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Marco the Phoenix should've been the one to get Ace's Fire fruit, not Sabo, it's wasted on Sabo.
With Ace's Fire on top of his Phoenix, he would've got Fire squared. He could handle more than 1 fruit because he's a Phoenix.
 

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yea honestly it was wasted on sabo, would've literally give its to any SH than sabo. should've left sabo the bro who didnt need the powers from a devil and still be op. like gol.d roger because we still dont know if he ate a fruit or not
 
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Only Teach can have two devil fruits because of his powers and him not being normal. Marco cannot have gain a second devil fruit because he would die.
Sabo was perfect if not better than ace for that fruit.
 

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Only Teach can have two devil fruits because of his powers and him not being normal. Marco cannot have gain a second devil fruit because he would die.
Sabo was perfect if not better than ace for that fruit.
You realize that Phoenix is a mythical zoan, and its properties would allow Marco to get another fruit, especially if that fruit is Fiiiiiiiiiiire.
There's nothing special about teach, just another scrubby D who stole the dark-dark fruit from Thatch.
 

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Only Teach can have two devil fruits because of his powers and him not being normal. Marco cannot have gain a second devil fruit because he would die.
Sabo was perfect if not better than ace for that fruit.
We don't know that ONLY Teach can do it. Marco's fruit being a regenerative one does lend some credibility to the idea that his fruit could heal/restore his body after the effects of eating two fruits happens and he could possibly retain both. Luffy may also be able to eat more than 1 since we don't really know what happens to a person who eats 2 but the explanation we got was that they explode which Luffy could possibly avoid seeing as how big his body can expand.
 

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We don't know that ONLY Teach can do it. Marco's fruit being a regenerative one does lend some credibility to the idea that his fruit could heal/restore his body after the effects of eating two fruits happens and he could possibly retain both. Luffy may also be able to eat more than 1 since we don't really know what happens to a person who eats 2 but the explanation we got was that they explode which Luffy could possibly avoid seeing as how big his body can expand.
What does this have to do with Wuffy?
 

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You realize that Phoenix is a mythical zoan, and its properties would allow Marco to get another fruit, especially if that fruit is Fiiiiiiiiiiire.
There's nothing special about teach, just another scrubby D who stole the dark-dark fruit from Thatch.
We don't know that ONLY Teach can do it. Marco's fruit being a regenerative one does lend some credibility to the idea that his fruit could heal/restore his body after the effects of eating two fruits happens and he could possibly retain both. Luffy may also be able to eat more than 1 since we don't really know what happens to a person who eats 2 but the explanation we got was that they explode which Luffy could possibly avoid seeing as how big his body can expand.
Those properties don't help him, and Marco himself basically said that a normal human cannot have two devil fruit powers including himself.
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How has luffy avoided eating another devil fruit, I mean the man eats when he asleep and grabs large quantities of food at a time( should have eaten 100s of DF by now
 

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Those properties don't help him, and Marco himself basically said that a normal human cannot have two devil fruit powers including himself.
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Normal, Luffy's not normal and Marco's fruit isn't normal either. Nothing shows as a fact yet that BB is the only person able to actually eat another fruit and survive that's just the common in world conception but in world conception isn't always true.
 

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Normal, Luffy's not normal and Marco's fruit isn't normal either. Nothing shows as a fact yet that BB is the only person able to actually eat another fruit and survive that's just the common in world conception but in world conception isn't always true.
Do you not understand what Marco just said? He said its true that a normal persona cannot eat two devil fruits, you can't have two devil fruits without eating one already so he is saying that he himself is nornal. So yes. Marco is normal, luffy is normal, doffy who found the fruit while not eating it is normal, and so is any other person in the mean time besides Teech is normal.
 

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Do you not understand what Marco just said? He said its true that a normal persona cannot eat two devil fruits, you can't have two devil fruits without eating one already so he is saying that he himself is nornal. So yes. Marco is normal, luffy is normal, doffy who found the fruit while not eating it is normal, and so is any other person in the mean time besides Teech is normal.
Luffy's absolutely not normal and the manga has shown that multiple times the clearest being his progression rate. And Marco didn't say anything like you're saying, either your comprehension is bad or your ability to articulate what you are thinking is. Someone said "I thought it was impossible to have two fruit powers" to which Marco replies "That's true for normal people but Teach isn't normal" nowhere does he say anything about himself.
 

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Luffy's absolutely not normal and the manga has shown that multiple times the clearest being his progression rate. And Marco didn't say anything like you're saying, either your comprehension is bad or your ability to articulate what you are thinking is. Someone said "I thought it was impossible to have two fruit powers" to which Marco replies "That's true for normal people but Teach isn't normal" nowhere does he say anything about himself.
Now you digress because you are very illiterate to what is an implied resolution. Like I said before, you cannot gain two devil fruits without gaining one, so for the law of not being able to handle two devil fruits will only apply to those with devil fruits in the first place. So him specifying that he himself is a normal human is redundant. Since the context of what he is saying is that normal humans have a singular devil fruit.
If you're gonna act dumb then just quit while you're ahead.

Luffy is as normal as every other devil fruit user, being lucky has nothing to do with being normal we've seen his limitations before.
 

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Now you digress because you are very illiterate to what is an implied resolution. Like I said before, you cannot gain two devil fruits without gaining one, so for the law of not being able to handle two devil fruits will only apply to those with devil fruits in the first place. So him specifying that he himself is a normal human is redundant. Since the context of what he is saying is that normal humans have a singular devil fruit.
If you're gonna act dumb then just quit while you're ahead.

Luffy is as normal as every other devil fruit user, being lucky has nothing to do with being normal we've seen his limitations before.
Do you know what digress means? Our original topic was BB's not necessarily the ONLY person able to acquire 2 DF's. Where did I deviate from that topic? If you're gonna try and use words with a pompous attitude behind them you should try and use them in a fitting sentence.

It's not a law, it's the perceived truth of the OPverse but nothing has shown it to be "law". BB has already shown the "law" false which opens the possibility of others being able to do the same thing.

Psst. I don't know if anyone told you this yet or not but the D family isn't normal. Luffy's body has stretched as big as a giant and we have no real idea how eating 2 DF's kills someone other than it causes them to explode, well Luffy has shown to be able to expand so all he'd have to be able to do is expand more than the force of the explosion of eating 2 dfs like how teach(presumably) used his Yami's darkness to absorb the explosion. Marco's DF heals and we don't know to what degree, if he ate 2 dfs and exploded his DF power could restore him, that's how his power works though he'd probably have to eat the 2nd in his Pheonix form for it to have any chance of working.

Since the context of what he is saying is that normal humans have a singular devil fruit.
No, normal humans have no fruit. Normal humans can eat 1 fruit. There are humans who are not normal such as Teach(something about their body as mentioned by Marco). There are DF's that are not normal such as Katakuri's now "special paramecia" and Teach's YYnM and Marco's mythical Zoan Pheonix.

You know what, rather than try to make you realize there's nothing that actually confirms BB is the ONLY ONE ABLE to ever get 2 DF's at the same time let me ask you, how would eating 2 df's kill Marco if his fruit restores ANY damage to him? If you can't explain how it could actually kill him when we know his DF undoes damage then your stance holds no water.
 
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Do you know what digress means? Our original topic was BB's not necessarily the ONLY person able to acquire 2 DF's. Where did I deviate from that topic? If you're gonna try and use words with a pompous attitude behind them you should try and use them in a fitting sentence.
Well no duh of course I know what it means. Where you digress is that you literally taking Marco's implication of normal out of context in addition to your opinion about Teech not being the only individual to acquire two devil fruits. So why don't you spare the patronizing will you, and carefully understand the direction you are taking this post into. I don't want to argue for two dumb separate things like that.

It's not a law, it's the perceived truth of the OPverse but nothing has shown it to be "law". BB has already shown the "law" false which opens the possibility of others being able to do the same thing.
Senseless speculation considering the fact that the flame flame fruit was already in the hands of two devil fruit users making it an implied law at the very least.

Psst. I don't know if anyone told you this yet or not but the D family isn't normal.
Psst. I don't know if anybody told you yet, but they are pretty normal as far as the human anatomy goes. The rest is up for speculation until further notice. You sarcastic ahole.

Luffy's body has stretched as big as a giant and we have no real idea how eating 2 DF's kills someone other than it causes them to explode, well Luffy has shown to be able to expand so all he'd have to be able to do is expand more than the force of the explosion of eating 2 dfs like how teach(presumably) used his Yami's darkness to absorb the explosion. Marco's DF heals and we don't know to what degree, if he ate 2 dfs and exploded his DF power could restore him, that's how his power works though he'd probably have to eat the 2nd in his Pheonix form for it to have any chance of working.
Dumb theory for obvious reason.
1. Blueno said you'll explode and die, so death is immanent regardless.
2. Luffy using Gear two and Gear three almost tore his body apart. So how's that theory of yours looking now?
3. Marco....Hahaha :lmao: When you explode and die you die, there is not coming back.

The only reason why it would make sense for Teech to gain a second devil fruit is because the yami fruit absorbs in everything including devil fruits as Teech told Ace in their battle. Luffy doesn't absorb everything and neither does Marco so try again.



No, normal humans have no fruit. Normal humans can eat 1 fruit. There are humans who are not normal such as Teach(something about their body as mentioned by Marco). There are DF's that are not normal such as Katakuri's now "special paramecia" and Teach's YYnM and Marco's mythical Zoan Pheonix.
This is why I said you digress, you're taking Marco's words out of context again.
You know what, rather than try to make you realize there's nothing that actually confirms BB is the ONLY ONE ABLE to ever get 2 DF's at the same time let me ask you, how would eating 2 df's kill Marco if his fruit restores ANY damage to him? If you can't explain how it could actually kill him when we know his DF undoes damage then your stance holds no water.
Clearly Marco's devil fruit doesn't "restore ANY damages" to him otherwise he wouldn't of been clean during that whole entire war. So you're speculation is just as good as any speculation comes, there's nothing for you to prove that anybody else can use 2 devils fruit.
Btw Marco's flames just keep regenerating, you don't regenerate from total death it doesn't work that way.
You have no proof.
 
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Well no duh of course I know what it means. Where you digress is that you literally taking Marco's implication of normal out of context in addition to your opinion about Teech not being the only individual to acquire two devil fruits. So why don't you spare the patronizing will you, and carefully understand the direction you are taking this post into. I don't want to argue for two dumb separate things like that.
I'm arguing the only point I've been arguing. That there's no proof that Teach is the only one able to ever eat 2 DF's and just because the majority of the OP population believes it to be true doesn't make it so. Teach is the only one to do so, so far but that also isn't any kind of proof that no one else will be able to also.
Senseless speculation considering the fact that the flame flame fruit was already in the hands of two devil fruit users making it an implied law at the very least.
What? Because 2 people have had the mera mera this makes that any one who eats a second DF will explode and die a law? In what world? All that implies is that the OP population believes it to be true, just because it's the popular opinion doesn't make it a fact. Those 2 DF users not eating the Mera Mera doesn't prove that nobody besides Teach is able to eat a 2nd DF it means nobody besides Teach is willing to risk it because of the information the WG put out. But here's a fun thought, maybe the WG purposefully put out misinformation to reduce chances of threats by preventing any one person from amassing too much power. I know a bit of a reach, not like the WG wouldn't put out misinformation. Now I don't think just anybody is able to eat more than 1 DF but I don't believe Teach is the only one able either.

Psst. I don't know if anybody told you yet, but they are pretty normal as far as the human anatomy goes. The rest is up for speculation until further notice. You sarcastic ahole.
Psst. You don't know that since we have no information on their anatomy. They're not normal within the context of the story or the OP world no matter how you want to try and deflect. Notice the only known 2 fruit user is a D also.

Dumb theory for obvious reason.
1. Blueno said you'll explode and die, so death is immanent regardless.
2. Luffy using Gear two and Gear three almost tore his body apart. So how's that theory of yours looking now?
3. Marco....Hahaha :lmao: When you explode and die you die, there is not coming back.
Obviously it isn't always imminent which is my point. If one character was capable of it then that opens the door for other possibilities. And just because a character says it within the context of the story doesn't make it a fact, it just means that that character believes it to be so but characters can be wrong. Blueno said the Grand Line scientist studied the phenomenon but yet nobody seemed to know that the YYnM could acquire a second fruit until Teach got a hold of it so how complete is their information?

Neither of them did anything remotely close to tore his body apart. Gear 2 had drawbacks to his life span but that's got absolutely nothing to do with his body expanding and withholding an explosion. Gear 3 made him small but doesn't anymore but showed he can expand to large proportions. This did nothing to disprove Luffy can expand to considerable sizes and could in theory withstand an explosion that would result from eating a second DF.

Not when that's what his fruit is supposed to do. Do you really not know what the Phoenix represents? Or do you just not think Marco has the powers of a Phoenix with his Mythical Zoan fruit?

The only reason why it would make sense for Teech to gain a second devil fruit is because the yami fruit absorbs in everything including devil fruits as Teech told Ace in their battle. Luffy doesn't absorb everything and neither does Marco so try again.
And yet the very page you use as evidence Marco says he thinks it's Teach's body that allows him to have 2 DF's. Regardless Teach's DF allowing him to have 2 DF's just shows that there is a chance that there's more than 1 fruit that can do the same, all the fruits aren't known and they're not all well known to the general public so people not knowing another fruit would allow you to do this means nothing because nobody probably knew the YYnM could do it either until Teach came along but the fruit existed before Teach so that means the ability has been around but people were unaware how to use it this could still be true for other fruits like a mythical zoan based on regeneration or the MC's DF.

If you eat a DF you get the powers. If you have a DF already and eat another one you explode but you'd still get the powers before your body exploded because that's how DF's work, the power is in you after the first bite. So if you are able to survive that explosion you would have 2 DF abilities. Teach survived the explosion by using the YYnM to absorb the explosion I think, Luffy would use the GGnM to expand beyond the explosion size and Marco would need to eat it in Phoenix mode because his fruit repairs all damage based on the name until shown otherwise, that's why they had to cuff him at MF and after his cuffs came off all his wounds from when he was cuffed were healed.


This is why I said you digress, you're taking Marco's words out of context again.
No I'm taking his words at face value for exactly how he says them, you're putting implications on them and saying what Marco was really talking about to fit your stance. Marco literally says "normal people can only have 1 DF but Teach isn't normal...maybe it's his body" This bit about Marco lumping himself in with normal people is subtext you're reading but that doesn't mean it's there. Plus if he meant to include himself why didn't he reply something like "Normally we can't but Teach is different"?

Clearly Marco's devil fruit doesn't "restore ANY damages" to him otherwise he wouldn't of been clean during that whole entire war. So you're speculation is just as good as any speculation comes, there's nothing for you to prove that anybody else can use 2 devils fruit.
Btw Marco's flames just keep regenerating, you don't regenerate from total death it doesn't work that way.
You have no proof.
That's literally what his fruit is based on, The Phoenix, the fruit itself implies that while his fruit is active he can not be harmed or killed. Whether that holds true or not is something to be determined but based on his fruits inspiration, signs are in his favor.
 

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I'm arguing the only point I've been arguing. That there's no proof that Teach is the only one able to ever eat 2 DF's and just because the majority of the OP population believes it to be true doesn't make it so. Teach is the only one to do so, so far but that also isn't any kind of proof that no one else will be able to also.
You were arguing that Marco did not refer to a single devil fruit user as normal and BB a double devil fruit user as not being normal, and you argued that teech isn't the only one who can use two devils fruit.
Which is 100% wrong.


What? Because 2 people have had the mera mera this makes that any one who eats a second DF will explode and die a law? In what world? All that implies is that the OP population believes it to be true, just because it's the popular opinion doesn't make it a fact. Those 2 DF users not eating the Mera Mera doesn't prove that nobody besides Teach is able to eat a 2nd DF it means nobody besides Teach is willing to risk it because of the information the WG put out. But here's a fun thought, maybe the WG purposefully put out misinformation to reduce chances of threats by preventing any one person from amassing too much power. I know a bit of a reach, not like the WG wouldn't put out misinformation. Now I don't think just anybody is able to eat more than 1 DF but I don't believe Teach is the only one able either.
Because Doffy or Diamante not eating Ace's fruit would not be beneficial for to beat Luffy and become stronger? Common sense, they could not eat it. And how about Oda's law, that anyone else who eats it explodes and die period. That's a manga fact.
Unlike most people, Teech knew he could use more than one devil fruit so he didn't risk anything.
And are you questioning the scientist now? So you're saying three pages of the manga is wrong just to support your stupid theory?



Psst. You don't know that since we have no information on their anatomy. They're not normal within the context of the story or the OP world no matter how you want to try and deflect. Notice the only known 2 fruit user is a D also.
Psst. This is the most retarded thing I've read. You're arguing with me that Luffy is not human? You're literally arguing with me that luffy and ALL the other D. are extraterrestrial? You are seriously reaching hard.


Obviously it isn't always imminent which is my point. If one character was capable of it then that opens the door for other possibilities. And just because a character says it within the context of the story doesn't make it a fact, it just means that that character believes it to be so but characters can be wrong. Blueno said the Grand Line scientist studied the phenomenon but yet nobody seemed to know that the YYnM could acquire a second fruit until Teach got a hold of it so how complete is their information?
Do you know what imminent means? When you explode, you die. That's as forthcoming as it gets.
And Blackbeard himself said that he studied the yami fruit which is why he knew he could absorb devil fruits. Just because the government didn't specify doesn't mean the broad topic of taking in two devil fruits will not result in death.
Nobody can use BB's unorthodox method of gaining more than one devil fruit, because he didn't ingested it just so you know.
Neither of them did anything remotely close to tore his body apart. Gear 2 had drawbacks to his life span but that's got absolutely nothing to do with his body expanding and withholding an explosion. Gear 3 made him small but doesn't anymore but showed he can expand to large proportions. This did nothing to disprove Luffy can expand to considerable sizes and could in theory withstand an explosion that would result from eating a second DF.
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You're theory has nothing.

Not when that's what his fruit is supposed to do. Do you really not know what the Phoenix represents? Or do you just not think Marco has the powers of a Phoenix with his Mythical Zoan fruit?
I know that Marco does not have the power to resurrect from the dead and I know that marco's fruit powers as kizaru said has blue flames that regenerate.
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So it's clear to me that you have no idea on what you are talking about.

And yet the very page you use as evidence Marco says he thinks it's Teach's body that allows him to have 2 DF's. Regardless Teach's DF allowing him to have 2 DF's just shows that there is a chance that there's more than 1 fruit that can do the same, all the fruits aren't known and they're not all well known to the general public so people not knowing another fruit would allow you to do this means nothing because nobody probably knew the YYnM could do it either until Teach came along but the fruit existed before Teach so that means the ability has been around but people were unaware how to use it this could still be true for other fruits like a mythical zoan based on regeneration or the MC's DF.
There is no chance, just you and your speculation. And like Teech told Ace, he did some research and knew that ONLY the yami fruit gave him these properties. It's also the only reason why he killed joined WB ship and killed Thatch in the first place. You know, just in case you didn't read that part.
If you eat a DF you get the powers. If you have a DF already and eat another one you explode but you'd still get the powers before your body exploded because that's how DF's work, the power is in you after the first bite. So if you are able to survive that explosion you would have 2 DF abilities. Teach survived the explosion by using the YYnM to absorb the explosion I think, Luffy would use the GGnM to expand beyond the explosion size and Marco would need to eat it in Phoenix mode because his fruit repairs all damage based on the name until shown otherwise, that's why they had to cuff him at MF and after his cuffs came off all his wounds from when he was cuffed were healed.
No you don't and no where in the manga did it said it worked that way. Keep your fanfic theories out of Oda's mouth. As for "surviving" the explosion, Teech did no such thing since the explosion never happened.
And Teech didn't eat the 2nd devil fruit just so you know. The rest are just more senseless theories.



No I'm taking his words at face value for exactly how he says them, you're putting implications on them and saying what Marco was really talking about to fit your stance. Marco literally says "normal people can only have 1 DF but Teach isn't normal...maybe it's his body" This bit about Marco lumping himself in with normal people is subtext you're reading but that doesn't mean it's there. Plus if he meant to include himself why didn't he reply something like "Normally we can't but Teach is different"?
Marco made a suggestion that it might be his body but the context is exactly as that. You cannot have a second devil fruit without already acquiring another. He said normal people can only have one but normal people cannot have another. It's as simple as that unless you really wanna keep playing dumb.


That's literally what his fruit is based on, The Phoenix, the fruit itself implies that while his fruit is active he can not be harmed or killed. Whether that holds true or not is something to be determined but based on his fruits inspiration, signs are in his favor.
Hahaha :lmao: Where in the manga was that fanfic stated?
Was it Or
Now he's so immortal that he cannot die? Fascinating.
 

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I looked at the manga to check any talk on obtaining two Devil's Fruits ASIDE from Teach if it's possible for anyone to have two. The Jyabura's scene in the anime stepping away from the DFs in fear before Kaku and Kalifa ate them isn't in the manga. Strange. I was looking for the talk of having 2 DFs in the manga, but seems it never happened. Probably Oda gave few notes as an add-on to the anime episode? So Would a person die if he ate two DFs? I'm gonna dare and say "No, he won't." Until my answer gets backfired.
 
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