[Discussion] Aces bounty/strength

[Bogard]

That's why I asked Op if that counts for anything...

Ace set fire to a ship that had a vice-admiral in it

Even if Tashigi is only a captain she can use Haki, and point being is that if Ace cannot match a VA than he might as well be under her level.

You should try and put 2 an 2 together to get what is being implied here before reply this post.

Luffy Surpass Ace, he has no haki feats excepted for a flashing back kings disposition

How do you know there was a vice-admiral on the ship?

Ace most likely did have haki. He survived the NW several years to the point he even became one of the strongest man commanders. Haki seems to be common even by fodders. Impossible that Ace didn't have it

 

[VongolaX]

How do you know there was a vice-admiral on the ship?

Unlike you I bothered to read, that was a vice admiral on Ace's shoulder.

It was written in the story, go look it up in wiki if you have to

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Ace most likely did have haki. He survived the NW several years to the point he even became one of the strongest man commanders. Haki seems to be common even by fodders. Impossible that Ace didn't have it

Proof...

Look at Crocodile he survived and beat haki users all his life, he was even able to take a brillant punk to the face and later toss Jozu across the marineford with doflamingo.

Blackbeard, he hasn't shown any form of haki yet but he still was able to damage Shanks (one of the best haki users ever) giving him a scare for life. Shanks even dignifies him as a thread, despite no appearance as haki...

So you're just assuming at this point...

 

[Bogard]

Unlike you I bothered to read, that was a vice admiral on Ace's shoulder.

It was written in the story, go look it up in wiki if you have to

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Sorry if i can't read japanese :/ Anyway i'll look at your wiki link later

Proof...

Look at Crocodile he survived and beat haki users all his life, he was even able to take a brillant punk to the face and later toss Jozu across the marineford with doflamingo.

Blackbeard, he hasn't shown any form of haki yet but he still was able to damage Shanks (one of the best haki users ever) giving him a scare for life. Shanks even dignifies him as a thread, despite no appearance as haki...

So you're just assuming at this point...

Of course i'm assuming since we've no concrete proof yet, but it's most likely the case. Unlike Crocodile, Ace was WB's commander, in other words, not a fodder. He was defeating countless NW pirates. Crocodile lacks such a backstory, but eventhen nothing prove Crocodile doesn't have haki as well. Because he lost to Luffy doesn't prove he didn't have it

 

[Pirate King]

Ace is above VA imo, there's a big gap between va and admiral and ace and Marco were close to admiral

 

[VongolaX]

Sorry if i can't read japanese :/ Anyway i'll look at your wiki link later

Of course i'm assuming since we've no concrete proof yet, but it's most likely the case. Unlike Crocodile, Ace was WB's commander, in other words, not a fodder. He was defeating countless NW pirates. Crocodile lacks such a backstory, but eventhen nothing prove Crocodile doesn't have haki as well. Because he lost to Luffy doesn't prove he didn't have it

Well for starters Crocodile was Old man Whitebeard's rival (meaning sometime after Rogers death).

So if anything, Crocodile has more experience than Ace and unlike him he can last in a small battle against Akainu.

You can't assume that Ace has Haki, but you can assume he doesn't have the other Haki because he didn't use it in both fights.

I'm not those Idiots that believe Crocodile is weak because he lost to luffy after the 3 try.

Crocodile's intangibility was negated because Luffy's blood kept him from dispersing.

Just like Enel, his intangibility was negated like Crocodile.

Logias who don't have good physical feats, Crocodile did a good job pushing luffy in his own advantage/element (fist fighting).

This is luffy who can push two castle building and knock out a Sea king, while beating a fisherman as well.

 

[VongolaX]

Ace is above VA imo, there's a big gap between va and admiral and ace and Marco were close to admiral

I don't think Ace was close to Admiral level.

That would mean a Ace is stronger than Luffy, Zoro, Law, Vergo, and Jozu etc.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I think he was somewhere around Doflamingo/Mihawk level, not even close to Admiral level though.

And if he was still alive after 2 years? Wouldn't change that much.

 

[Bogard]

Well for starters Crocodile was Old man Whitebeard's rival (meaning sometime after Rogers death).

So if anything, Crocodile has more experience than Ace and unlike him he can last in a small battle against Akainu.

You can't assume that Ace has Haki, but you can assume he doesn't have the other Haki because he didn't use it in both fights.

I'm not those Idiots that believe Crocodile is weak because he lost to luffy after the 3 try.

Crocodile's intangibility was negated because Luffy's blood kept him from dispersing.

Just like Enel, his intangibility was negated like Crocodile.

Logias who don't have good physical feats, Crocodile did a good job pushing luffy in his own advantage/element (fist fighting).

This is luffy who can push two castle building and knock out a Sea king, while beating a fisherman as well.

When is it stated Croc was WB's rival?

Doflamingo never used haki pretime skip either, but we now know he has haki. Same goes for Mihawk. Nothing implies Ace doesn't have it when he wasn't put in a situation where it could be seen

I don't think Croc was that weak, but i don't think he was that strong either. Base Luffy was outspeeding him after all

I think he was somewhere around Doflamingo/Mihawk level, not even close to Admiral level though.

And if he was still alive after 2 years? Wouldn't change that much.

Implying Mihawk isn't admiral level lol

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Implying Mihawk isn't admiral level lol

Pretty much yea

 

[Olorin]

ok let me just say this: pretty much NOONE used haki pre-ts, it was just mentioned and implied here and there, the only real instances of haki we saw were HH related (and ofc mantra)

 

[VongolaX]

When is it stated Croc was WB's rival?

Doflamingo never used haki pretime skip either, but we now know he has haki. Same goes for Mihawk. Nothing implies Ace doesn't have it when he wasn't put in a situation where it could be seen

I don't think Croc was that weak, but i don't think he was that strong either. Base Luffy was outspeeding him after all

Implying Mihawk isn't admiral level lol

Crocodile stated during the marineford that he was Whitebeards rival (or impel down).

The difference between Crocodile and Ace in comparison to Doflamingo is that we have seen them fight pre-timeskip.

Both Sir Croc and Ace never used Haki when they needed it most in their fight.

We see Doflamingo fight for the first time and he uses Haki.

There could be a possibility that doflamingo didn't have Haki pre-timeskip either, so there is that.


That's very low of you stating that Crocodile lost to Luffy's base-speed.

Crocodile dodge almost all of Luffy's attacks except for the counterattack.

Take into consideration that Enel lost in base speed to Luffy, The warden Magellan, and even doflamingo couldn't dodge a slash from Kryos (lower than Luffy's base speed).

No matter how fast you are in One piece, everyone will suffer a hit from a counterattack.

 

[The 1 who knows]

Around Vergo...

no way... ace was not just a rookie (supernova) when he made his debut as a pirate, he was a Super rookie...that shold tell you something.
when still a rookie he was offered a warlord seat but he declined and he fought with jimbei to a stalemet!
he strength wa salmost admiral level way above VA level.