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Ace hasn't shown any Busoshoku Haki, so no, we can't make that call.
Ace can't get stronger in a grave.
[Discussion] Ace vs doflamingo
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I can't see Yami teach beating doffy tbh doffy can pick him apart piece by piece from long distance in sky and if teach tried to pull him in doffy can use overheat to rip off teach arm... Or any other limb
Now gura Yami teach is different story lol
But back on topic doffy takes ace no more then mid diff
Doflamingo obviously wins, but Doflamingo isn't as strong people alt him to be.
Just wait until the end of the fight, Liffy always starts off getting kicked around first.
Off topic: Yami teach would destroy doflamingo, not even Jinbei wanted to fight him with alone side luffy and crocodile.
Just wait until the end of the fight, Liffy always starts off getting kicked around first.
Off topic: Yami teach would destroy doflamingo, not even Jinbei wanted to fight him with alone side luffy and crocodile.
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Not like this. Oda illustrated that this is the final battle between Luffy/Law and Doflamingo. In all of this fights where he lost against someone them came back and won, Luffy has put up a decent fight against them. Against Crocodile, against Lucci, against Moriah, he was able to injure them and do damage. Now, even with Law's help, he's still completely outclassed. Against Lucci and Crocodile, he wasn't outclassed this much in the beginning of their final fight.
And Yami Teach would lose to Doflamingo. Jinbei didn't want to fight Teach because it'd waste the strength and time they needed to stop Ace.
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1- Shanks feared fruitless Teach to the point he asked for a meeting with Whitebeard to avoid second commander Ace to face him
2- Fruitless Teach managed to scarr Shanks(not careless or anything), something that traumatized him to the point he felt necessary to tail that part of the story to Whitebeard for him to identify exactly how strong Teach and thus trying to pressure him in avoiding confrontation with him
And he got the strongest devil fruit(yami yami no mi) in there to boot and in the end defeated 2 commanders in the whitebeard pirate crew. I don't see Doflamingo accomplishing any of those feats. Yami Teach was already stronger than Doflamingo
2- Fruitless Teach managed to scarr Shanks(not careless or anything), something that traumatized him to the point he felt necessary to tail that part of the story to Whitebeard for him to identify exactly how strong Teach and thus trying to pressure him in avoiding confrontation with him
And he got the strongest devil fruit(yami yami no mi) in there to boot and in the end defeated 2 commanders in the whitebeard pirate crew. I don't see Doflamingo accomplishing any of those feats. Yami Teach was already stronger than Doflamingo
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We don't know how Teach did that and how strong Shanks was. DD beats Ace mid diff.
We know he was strong enough to threaten Whitebeard because of that and he did say he wasn't careless, so we don't have to know the exact circumstances. Ace in my opinion is only slightly weaker than Flamingo
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1. Feared? No. He was wary of him. Shanks had no qualms about fighting Yami Gura Teach, but feared and felt trauma from Fruitless Teach? Yami Gura Teach said he wasn't ready to fight Shanks yet, but Shanks is scared of the fruitless version of him? The Gorosei said that Shanks if one of the few capable of stopping Yami Gura Teach, but fruitless Teach will leave Shanks scared? Think about what you're saying before you say it.
2. And we have no idea what Shanks' power was like at the time. For all we know, Shanks got scarred by Teach when he was at Luffy's current level.
Luffy, with one of the weakest Devil Fruits, beat Crocodile, who has a powerful Devil Fruit. He also outclassed Enel in combat ability, despite possessing a far weaker fruit. Stronger fruit does not equal stronger fighter.
If you had never seen One Piece, and I told you Doflamingo has the power to create and control strings, would you guess he has an ability that spans across an entire country? The Ope Ope no Mi is stronger than the Ito Ito no Mi, but is Law>Doflamingo? How do you know Teach didn't get a lucky shot in with Thatch, how do you know the only reason Teach got to kill Thatch was because Thatch wasn't expecting a fellow crewmember to kill him? Even Whitebeard was unprepared for attacks from allies because of his old age, and Thatch is inferior to him.
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Ace performed well against Yami Teach despite having no knowledge on his power while Teach knew about Ace's. Also Ace did perform better against Kuzan. But DD is beating down Luffy and Law so I would say it can go either way.
Teach's pirate crew was composed of 9 people, among them people who were no match for Ace, against a yonkou with multiple fleet an allies in a position where he was already having his hands full against Sengoku, Garp and half the marines. It's easy for Shanks not to fear in a situation where the enemy is already in difficulties, it's easy to be capable to defeat someone on his own when you have an army of monsters on your side. And it's not like the gorosei knew the exact strength of Teach. We've seen what they finally did in 2 years. None of them(including the wary Shanks you mention) managed to stop him achieving all Whitebeard territories and becoming a yonkou and continuing his aim of power
"Teach, your man is the one who did this"
"And it's not like i was careless or anything"
"You know what i'm trying to say right?"
Yes we do know. He was trying to say Teach is a monster that should be avoided. And that was pre-yami yami Teach
Have you ever heard of the workings of tramways? Crossing an entire country is impressive to you? Fodder Hodi could do that with a water shot in fishmen island
Also, you do realise it's Teach the monster we're talking about right? The same one who accomplished almost all Whitebeard feats with the gura fruit during the war in one-go. Comparing him to Enel is ridiculous
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1. It still stands that Teach could have fought Shanks one on one. Yami Gura Teach didn't want to face Shanks and Shanks would have also have to have dealt with the entire Marine force there. There were far more on the side against Shanks than there was with him, so it more than balances out. It still stands that Shanks challenged Yami Gura Teach directly, and Teach admitted he wasn't ready. Shanks was not scared of Teach, he was wary of him.
2. Still doesn't change that we have no idea how strong Shanks was then. It's a shallow feat.
3. As expected, you were unable to understand the points. I was not comparing Enel to Teach. I was citing examples of how someone loss to someone else besides having a stronger DF. This shows that simply having the best DF isn't a guaranteed win. Shit, Teach, with the best DF, cowered from Whitebeard who lost access to his DF.
The point wasn't "Oh spanning a country, super impressive!" but whether or not you'd expect that ability to do such a thing. Since you're just going to dodge the question, as is your debating style, I'll elaborate on the point further to help you along. It's not the fruit, it's how you use it. The power to make and control strings is weak, but Doflamingo, because of how strong he is and how he uses it, makes it a fearsome ability. An expert with a stone can kill a novice with a gun.
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That's only because Fire>Ice. Replace Aokiji with Kizaru or Akainu and Ace gets killed sooner.
You realise that Aakinu has an elemental advantage over Ace, so Kizaru would be the only valid match up going by your logic. Where I could see Ace doing better against Kizaru than Flamingo.
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That's not what I said. Ace can hit an attack from a Logia but not the Logia itself. The attack isn't intangible.
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Aokiji's powers stalemated with Akainu's, as Punk Hazard was 50/50 transformed, and he was able to deal grievous injries to Akainu. Fire can't be stronger than ice since magma is stronger than fire.