[Discussion] Ace>luffy

[Bogard]

I agree essentially because rookie Ace stalemated someone who isn't that far from current Luffy's level, so commander Ace should have been decently stronger with powerscaling compared the the rating of M3 level fighters after 2 years of training

 

[ANiMUS]

lol you know how dumb you sound right now ?
there is no proof that luffy is faster than ace whatsoever,you're using fanfiction right now
but lets give you that luffy has speed oke tell me kuma vs zoro ,how come that zoro could react to kuma speed,
Pad Ho , literally meaning "Pressure Cannon"): Kuma repels the air around him, sending a devastating shockwave toward his opponent at velocities that he claims to be near the speed of ligh zoro doged a lot of them is zoro ftl ? and Ace >zoro and tell why hasn't luffy shown the same impressive speed again ?

Just because the air is repelled off the paw at the speed of light, but that doesn't mean the attack travels at that speed. Air is matter and matter meets resistance. :|

Give me a speed feat of Ace to show that he isn't slower than Luffy.
Sorry, with your kind of arguments I am not sure u r qualified to state what dumb is anymore

 

[I m an Ass]

Just because the air is repelled off the paw at the speed of light, but that doesn't mean the attack travels at that speed. Air is matter and matter meets resistance. :|

Give me a speed feat of Ace to show that he isn't slower than Luffy.
Sorry, with your kind of arguments I am not sure u r qualified to state what dumb is anymore

The speed of light is constant. is shanks slower than luffy ?
just because there is no proof it doesn't mean that luffy is faster than Ace.

 

[ANiMUS]

The speed of light is constant

Light moves at a constant speed
Air doesn''t though Lol

 

[I m an Ass]

Light moves at a constant speed
Air doesn''t though Lol

Even then do you know how fast that is ?

 

[ANiMUS]

The speed of light is constant. is shanks slower than luffy ?
just because there is no proof it doesn't mean that luffy is faster than Ace.

It doesn't mean Ace is faster or even just as fast either. If your entire argument is no proof then u are better off not arguing because you can't effectively deny the accusation either.

I can say that Luffy is faster because Ace hasn't shown any speed to compare to Luffy. That is y i say by feats Luffy is faster. Ace hasn't shown anything to compete

Even then do you know how fast that is ?

Slower than light Lol

 

[I m an Ass]

It doesn't mean Ace is faster or even just as fast either. If your entire argument is no proof then u are better off no arguing because you can't effectively deny the accusation either.

I can say that Luffy is faster because Ace hasn't shown any speed to compare to Luffy. That is y i can say by feats Luffy is faster. Ace hasn't shown anything to compete



Slower than light Lol

lol slower than light but has luffy shown to have that reaction speed ? So zoro is faster than luffy according to your logic ?

 

[ANiMUS]

lol slower than light but has luffy shown to have that reaction speed ? So zoro is faster than luffy according to your logic ?

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:| Actual Light

Also since all we know is below light that can mean any number under light so what u r saying is kinda useless. 0 to light is a pretty big range

 

[ANiMUS]

Time is up got to go :bye:

 

[I m an Ass]

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:| Actual Light

Also since all we know is below light that can mean any number under light so what u r saying is kinda useless. 0 to light is a pretty big range

son zoro was doing that before the time-skip

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whitout haki but that doesn't mean he's faster than luffy is he ? i'm trying to make a point to your agreement

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

The OP is a troll guys

 

[A v i]

Luffy was nowhere near his full health.

Stop using lame excuses,He was doing fine against other opponents.
What does durability has anything to do with that?

You didn't actually put anything in bold, but I'm assuming that you're saying Ace has more destructive capacity.

Lmao, My bad and Yes, you got my point.

 

[Anduril]

Ace is stronger than luffy.

Heck Ace was stronger than Doflamingo

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Stop using lame excuses,He was doing fine against other opponents.
What does durability has anything to do with that?



Lmao, My bad and Yes, you got my point.

Luffy destroyed half of the Noah.

Ace is stronger than luffy.

Heck Ace was stronger than Doflamingo

You better be trolling. There's no way Ace is stronger than Doflamingo

 

[TRE MERCER]

Luffy would stomp Ace. Haki covered fist would protect his skin from serious burns. Ace speed is nothing compared to Luffy's by feats. One hit from EG ends Ace hell a simple blitz would suffice. Haki speedsters are Ace worst nightmare which is the reason why Vergo would stomps Ace as well.

 

[Anduril]

Ok, So put it this way,

Ace drawed a battle with Jinbei before he joined the WB pirates. An awesome feat, and the fight lasted for almost 5 days.

Now Ace was the 2nd division commander of WB pirates.

Lets look at luffy, he also had a small fight with Jinbei at Fishman island, and Jinbein commented "Is this all you learned with Rayleigh?" Certainly these words deserve some attention.

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Another point to consider is that luffy has not shown much promise fighting a logia. I say this for the following reasons,
Luffy hit Cesar so many times with his Haki infused strikes and yet ceasar has not bee mortally injured.
Which means his Haki is not strong enough. Also you should consider, Ceasar has hardly shown any prowess with Haki. While it has been confirmed multiple times that Ace has the kings Haki.
So basically, I disagree with everyone saying current luffy would stomp Ace. Any way it goes the battle would be an Extreme diff battle. And I am inclined more towards Ace cause of its Hax DF.

 

[Mugiwara kun]

son,ace at the age of 10 showed conquers haki at marine ford arc he said "you too have it".



Physical Abilities
Ace Carries Curly Dadan
Ace's immense strength as a child.
Aside from the powers granted by the Devil Fruit he consumed, Ace possessed immense physical strength. Signs of his great physical potential were already evident at his early childhood, where he was able to beat some local thugs who spoke ill of his father "half to death", and was also shown sitting on top of a huge animal (possibly a bull) he killed with his staff, during his first meeting with Luffy. Also later on the same day he was shown to easily break a giant tree with ease. Ace was already very strong when he left his hometown, three years before Luffy did the same.

Ace demonstrated his strength during his battle with Blackbeard: he was able to take Blackbeard's punches, which were so powerful that the first made Ace cough up blood and the second nearly broke his neck, and retaliate. Van Augur noted that, as expected of the Whitebeard Pirates 2nd division commander, Ace's basic combat skills were quite formidable even without his Devil Fruit powers.

He fought equally with Jinbe in the past; they nearly killed each other in a fight that lasted for five days. Ace then survived a battle with Whitebeard that took place immediately after, showing immense stamina and durability. He was one of the few people to be able to take a "baptizing" in boiling water in Impel Down without flinching, which is considered an impressive feat.

you're so wrong. Ace never fought WB, he got one-shot by WB without WB using his df. In terms of endurance,Luffy fought magellan, fodders,guards,fought Magellan again,went to MF fought VAs, fodders, admirals, took a punch from sengoku before he lost all his strength so yeah,Luffy has greater endurance IMO

 

[A v i]

you're so wrong. Ace never fought WB, he got one-shot by WB without WB using his df. In terms of endurance,Luffy fought magellan, fodders,guards,fought Magellan again,went to MF fought VAs, fodders, admirals, took a punch from sengoku before he lost all his strength so yeah,Luffy has greater endurance IMO

He received treatment and has time to rest after every battle. He suffered considerably from single hit of BB where as Ace pushed BB to his limits despite of being at a huge disadvantage and took a lot of hits from BB.

 

[Mugiwara kun]

He received treatment and has time to rest after every battle. He suffered considerably from single hit of BB where as Ace pushed BB to his limits despite of being at a huge disadvantage and took a lot of hits from BB.

He only had hours to rest while he was healing. 3 hours to be precise and also,everyone would suffer if BB were to punch them. Ace took what,3/4 punches? And You think Luffy can't?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

He received treatment and has time to rest after every battle. He suffered considerably from single hit of BB where as Ace pushed BB to his limits despite of being at a huge disadvantage and took a lot of hits from BB.

Ace said that BB's punch almost broke his neck.