According to the Manga Ashura invented Rasengan

[123fire]

Tailed Beast Bomb can only be produced by the Bijuu.

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You do know that a TSB can expand to the size of the Tailed beast Bomb right.

Here Juubito creates a giant TSB which looks like the TBB excpet that it's not moving, it's expanding. There is a difference.

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First off let me ask you, show me the manga panel that states Ashura is a Jinchuriki because nowhere in the manga did I read that. It states he got his power from the friendship/bonds he made with people and was able to match Indra's power.

Second, please also don't say that he the first jinchuriki of Kurama or any jinchuriki of Kurama because that is his Avatar which sort of looks like the BM Naruto's avatar but it's different.

Ok but was it said in the manga the black things with Ashura are TSB? Nooo!!! So both of us are now theorizing

Man stfu you make no gotdamn sense

Manga facts now don't make sense?

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I see why they ridicule him now.

Shut up you lifeless piece of shit

Trying to defend these fillers when they dead wrong lol

What does the fillers have to do with this thread? Ashura still didn't create a rasengan in the filler im not defending it , im just saying that Ashura inventing a rasengan is a possibility

 

[SenseiSama]

Didn't read, anime is :

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[123fire]

What the **** even are yhose?
Bijuudama is a blast and tsb float and don't need hands to push them

Yes they do like naruto did against Sasuke

 

[123fire]

Didn't read, anime is :

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Are u blind i said according to the manga and i posted manga panels , so now u ignore manga facts too?

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

I hit it first though

How was Kim k?

 

[Ricardo]

Shut up you lifeless piece of shit

Someone just got butthurt :bdpf:

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[Jokule67]

Are u blind i said according to the manga and i posted manga panels , so now u ignore manga facts too?

You not using manga facts tho man.

You posted bullshit

 

[Jokule67]

Ok but was it said in the manga the black things with Ashura are TSB? Nooo!!! So both of us are now theorizing

Manga facts now don't make sense?



Shut up you lifeless piece of shit


What does the fillers have to do with this thread? Ashura still didn't create a rasengan in the filler im not defending it , im just saying that Ashura inventing a rasengan is a possibility

But its not a possibility because yoi posted the scan saying Minato invented. You soloed your own thread

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Ok but was it said in the manga the black things with Ashura are TSB? Nooo!!! So both of us are now theorizing

You think Kishi is going to have all the time in the world explaining everything about the Naruto series. He was already in a rush to bring in Kaguya as FV. The black things with Ashura are TSB, it's a conclusion and not a hypothesis. How you can derive to that conclusion is through inference and logic by ruling out the possibilities that weren't stated.

Ashura isn't a Jinchuriki so TBB is gone out of the window. What even remotely looks like the TBB, it's the TSB. Use the process of elimination and it will make your life easier.

 

[Jokule67]

Rasengan and Bijuudama arent even the same bro.

Similar principles but just as different as well.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

For most of the people slating the dude for making the thread: can you explain to me then what technique Ashura is using in the scan?

I agree, Ashura was not a Jinchuriki; so it was not Bijuu Chakra. Truth seeking orbs?? I understand Minato was said to have created Rasengan. Also bearing in mind the latest anime as great as it was is still filler so may find itself at discrepancy with the canon surrounding certain things..

But again based on the manga scan and the manga scan only what is the technique? Obviously it does look like the same principles in creating rasengan is being used to create this technique. Its not impossible either seeing as Ashura was Hagoromos son.

Great episode btw.

 

[123fire]

Rasengan and Bijuudama arent even the same bro.

Similar principles but just as different as well.

Oh so tell me why did naruto create a bijuu dama by just trying to create a rasengan?

You think Kishi is going to have all the time in the world explaining everything about the Naruto series. He was already in a rush to bring in Kaguya as FV. The black things with Ashura are TSB, it's a conclusion and not a hypothesis. How you can derive to that conclusion is through inference and logic by ruling out the possibilities that weren't stated.

Ashura isn't a Jinchuriki so TBB is gone out of the window. What even remotely looks like the TBB, it's the TSB. Use the process of elimination and it will make your life easier.

Still wasn't comfirmed these are TSB , thats just your opinion

You not using manga facts tho man.

You posted bullshit

Manga fcats are bullshit? Lol laughable

 

[Exaar]

Directly from Kishi himself , Ashura can use tailed beast bomb in other words he is the one who invented the rasengan not Minato , if ashura can do tailed beast bomb then he could do rasengan before . Why didn't we think of that?

What.......

Rasengan and bijuu are similar but they aren't the same, ashura didn't even invent Bijuu bombs in the first place, The original user of beast bombs was the juubi.
Also, Rasengan is formed by chakra + shape manipulated + adding a rotation and compressing the chakra, Bijuu bombs is similar but requires an 8:2 Raito of two different chakra's + shape manipulation and normally doesn't require a rotation.

Minato invented a Bijuu bomb that doesn't require bijuu chakra + has a rotation added to it, Which is the rasengan, Assuming it is TBB and not TSB in ashura's hands, All ashura did was emulate when the Juubi/Bijuu can do. So he didn't invent anything.

 

[123fire]

For most of the people slating the dude for making the thread: can you explain to me then what technique Ashura is using in the scan?

I agree, Ashura was not a Jinchuriki; so it was not Bijuu Chakra. Truth seeking orbs?? I understand Minato was said to have created Rasengan. Also bearing in mind the latest anime as great as it was is still filler so may find itself at discrepancy with the canon surrounding certain things..

But again based on the manga scan and the manga scan only what is the technique? Obviously it does look like the same principles in creating rasengan is being used to create this technique. Its not impossible either seeing as Ashura was Hagoromos son.

Great episode btw.

Thank god people like you exist , thank you very much

 

[123fire]

What.......

Rasengan and bijuu are similar but they aren't the same, ashura didn't even invent Bijuu bombs in the first place, The original user of beast bombs was the juubi.
Also, Rasengan is formed by chakra + shape manipulated + adding a rotation and compressing the chakra, Bijuu bombs is similar but requires an 8:2 Raito of two different chakra's + shape manipulation and normally doesn't require a rotation.

Minato invented a Bijuu bomb that doesn't require bijuu chakra + has a rotation added to it, Which is the rasengan, Assuming it is TBB and not TSB in ashura's hands, All ashura did was emulate when the Juubi/Bijuu can do. So he didn't invent anything.

Ok then we all clean now . Ashura still didn't do a rasengan in the anime so everything is good now . And i don't think he will do it either

 

[SenseiSama]

For most of the people slating the dude for making the thread: can you explain to me then what technique Ashura is using in the scan?

I agree, Ashura was not a Jinchuriki; so it was not Bijuu Chakra. Truth seeking orbs?? I understand Minato was said to have created Rasengan. Also bearing in mind the latest anime as great as it was is still filler so may find itself at discrepancy with the canon surrounding certain things..

But again based on the manga scan and the manga scan only what is the technique? Obviously it does look like the same principles in creating rasengan is being used to create this technique. Its not impossible either seeing as Ashura was Hagoromos son.

Great episode btw.

Well he's right in the sense Ashura had the natural skill to control chakra like Naruto and Minato, but he used TSB not Rasengan, they both have the same principle but they're not the same jutsu. One is a combination of elements while the other is just pure chakra that didn't exist until Minato invented it.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Fillerama.....uttahere:

 

[123fire]

Well he's right in the sense Ashura had the natural skill to control chakra like Naruto and Minato, but he used TSB not Rasengan, they both have the same principle but they're not the same jutsu. One is a combination of elements while the other is just pure chakra that didn't exist until Minato invented it.

Do you still believe what Ashura did in the latest episode is a rasengan? If u do then im done with u

 

[Joon]

You think Kishi is going to have all the time in the world explaining everything about the Naruto series. He was already in a rush to bring in Kaguya as FV. The black things with Ashura are TSB, it's a conclusion and not a hypothesis. How you can derive to that conclusion is through inference and logic by ruling out the possibilities that weren't stated.

Ashura isn't a Jinchuriki so TBB is gone out of the window. What even remotely looks like the TBB, it's the TSB. Use the process of elimination and it will make your life easier.

You can't say they are Truth-Seeking Balls based on their depiction. Yes, it is a hypothesis based on the fact that Ashura inherited the Sage of Six Paths power, similar to Naruto, and awaken his power.

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[Obito the supreme jin]

Oh so tell me why did naruto create a bijuu dama by just trying to create a rasengan?

Still wasn't comfirmed these are TSB , thats just your opinion

How is it my opinion when the sizes are all the same? Ashura also has inherited the Sage's chakra so what else could it be?

Look here same size between Naruto's and Ashura's.

Ashura's

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Also the wiki confirms it and they have pulled up some reliable sources because they have the databook translations.

You can't say they are Truth-Seeking Balls based on their depiction. Yes, it is a hypothesis based on the fact that Ashura inherited the Sage of Six Paths power, similar to Naruto, and awaken his power.

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That would only be for the Susanoo scaling and again why can't I come to conclusions like that? They are supported by Ashura inheriting Hagoromo's power as well as the size consistencies between TSB's are the same. There have been no mess ups. Logically that can be none other than the TSB. Size matches.