according to Hashirama fanbase logic

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

I heard about 35436432 times that "Madara needed Kurama to even match Hashirama therefore Hashirama is waay stronger"
according to this logic Naruto isn't even top 10 because he would need Kurama to not get roflstomped negative diff by Itachi Shisui Danzou Sasuke Muu Nagato Obito Madara Hashirama Minato and many others

 

[villain55]

Umm well naruto has sm so he is still pretty strong without kurama

 

[BlackSwordsMan]

I heard about 35436432 times that "Madara needed Kurama to even match Hashirama therefore Hashirama is waay stronger"
according to this logic Naruto isn't even top 10 because he would need Kurama to not get roflstomped negative diff by Itachi Shisui Danzou Sasuke Muu Nagato Obito Madara Hashirama Minato and many others

So are you dumping on Hashirama, Naruto or both ?

 

[Glorious]

The thing is, madara used kurama as some sort of slave. Naruto is a jinchuuriki, imo madara was completely legit with using kurama though.

 

[Krauq]

Umm well naruto has sm so he is still pretty strong without kurama

Umm.... All Naruto has to do is throw only 2 rasenshurikens and he'll be out of his sage mode... That's pretty damn quick.

 

[Noni]

I understand what you are saying but Madara controlled Kurama.
Naruto befriended and tamed his chakra something nobody else has ever done.

 

[Ultimatum]

Madara had Kurama on his side and still lost that fight, that's embarrassing if you ask me. XD

 

[Draphsin]

Yup, this is a terrible argument

Madara used kurama as a weapon, might as well take away hashi's scroll, or kakashi's eye

 

[Deno1317]

Lol all of this coming from an Uchiha fanboy.

 

[Sot viing hun]

That's piss poor logic, Hashirama needed SM too, which is a part of his power, like Madara using Kurama with a contract.

So yeah, that logic leads nowhere, it's pure fanwank.

 

[Eastbay510]

Madara knows he needs Kurama to defeat Hashi. Madara himself knows Hashi is stronger than him.

 

[Kurama2012]

Umm.... All Naruto has to do is throw only 2 rasenshurikens and he'll be out of his sage mode... That's pretty damn quick.

actually no fox means unlimited sage mode as the two elder frogs will fuse to narutos shoulders

 

[iRefleX]

Madara had Kurama on his side and still lost that fight, that's embarrassing if you ask me. XD

Eh, Madara + Kurama was too much for Hashirama. You can se that by his injuries. Madara would of won that fight if it wasn't for plot...

That's why Madara lost...

 

[RaitonOniKairRasengan]

Eh, Madara + Kurama was too much for Hashirama. You can se that by his injuries. Madara would of won that fight if it wasn't for plot...

That's why Madara lost...

Great joke since madara was the only one who had injuries. But what doesn't happen because of plot? Filler non-canon?

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Madara knows he needs Kurama to defeat Hashi. Madara himself knows Hashi is stronger than him.

and Naruto knows he needs Kurama to not die against Obito in 5 seconds

Madara had Kurama on his side and still lost that fight, that's embarrassing if you ask me. XD

Naruto has Kurama on his side and Obito is toying with him

I understand what you are saying but Madara controlled Kurama.
Naruto befriended and tamed his chakra something nobody else has ever done.

exactly but befriending doesn't really mean anything because according to this logic everyone in Konoha11 is f*ckin OP because they befriended Naruto Kakashi Gai and many other strong people

So are you dumping on Hashirama, Naruto or both ?

neither I'm just stating facts

Umm well naruto has sm so he is still pretty strong without kurama

actually no fox means unlimited sage mode as the two elder frogs will fuse to narutos shoulders

yeah but he can't beat any of the persons I listed because some of them are stronger and the others are genjutsu specialists

 

[sunnex]

naruto is a jinchuriki unlike madara

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

naruto is a jinchuriki unlike madara

Kurama is still a living creature unlike MS EMS shurikens kunais

 

[Transcendence]

And according to your name you lack all form of intelligence.

 

[Sot viing hun]

Kurama is still a living creature unlike MS EMS shurikens kunais

Do you consider Kurama a part of Naruto's power too?

 

[Draphsin]

And according to your name you lack all form of intelligence.

Yet he still has the basic knowledge to see that kurama is a part of EMS madara's arsenal