about Tobirama doe.

[Lightbringer]

You don't have to defend your fav so fervently
It's a simple matter of being able to use manga phax in correct context.

Technically, EDO Minato & EDO Tobirama are solo gods, because they can throw their kunai upwards continuously. Eventually they'll end up in space. Then they'll just use FTG formula. So the mofos will be stuck in space, and they'll just teleport back to earth.,

So it's just a simple matter of kishimoto being incapable of utilising their jutsu correctly

That's not mangafact, that's just fan-fiction. They'd freeze before they get that high.

They also have to be connected to what they're trying to teleport. You're just making stuff up so Tobirama would end up winning in your scenario.


So Kishi's opinion is no longer fact apparently.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

So you don't think anyone without SM could dodge FTG? So Tobirama would defeat base Hashirama then?

I'm not saying he would defeat Madara, but he would certainly push him to activate atleast v1 Susano'o.

 

[Konohamaru of Akatsuki]

That's not mangafact, that's just fan-fiction. They'd freeze before they get that high.

They also have to be connected to what they're trying to teleport. You're just making stuff up so Tobirama would end up winning in your scenario.

That's manga phax.
You're denying manga phax, so the onus of proof is on you.

 

[Lightbringer]

I'm not saying he would defeat Madara, but he would certainly push him to activate atleast v1 Susano'o.

Well I'm just trying to point that the previous argument was ludicrous about Tobirama being able to transport Madara into the ocean.

Marking a susanoo isn't permanent since he can just deactivate it.

 

[Lightbringer]

That's manga phax.
You're denying manga phax, so the onus of proof is on you.

Manga fact that was not shown in the manga. Genius!

lol the George Bush avatar fits you well with your arguments.

 

[Konohamaru of Akatsuki]

Manga fact that was not shown in the manga. Genius!

lol the George Bush avatar fits you well with your arguments.

lmao, i don't know why you bothered with me for so long.

 

[Touken]

So you don't think anyone without SM could dodge FTG? So Tobirama would defeat base Hashirama then?

If the fight was CQC, then yes, Tobirama would beat base or SM Hashirama. The only people who are dodging Hiraishingiri are those who have reflex speeds as quick or quicker than SM Madara. SM Hashirama's reflexes aren't that noteworthy.

 

[Sapiens Sequax Sex Semita]

lmao, i don't know why you bothered with me for so long.

well i guess that was fun to watch 5.9/10

 

[Lightbringer]

lmao, i don't know why you bothered with me for so long.

Bad habit of being persistent.

 

[Lightbringer]

If the fight was CQC, then yes, Tobirama would beat base or SM Hashirama. The only people who are dodging Hiraishingiri are those who have reflex speeds as quick or quicker than SM Madara. SM Hashirama's reflexes aren't that noteworthy.

Madara fought a whole army from all angles including Naruto, Gaara, and Onoki without SM. I'm sure both he and Hashirama can react to FTG just fine.

Tobirama couldn't defeat 20 shinobi.


As for Hashirama, he was able to substitute out of Juubi Obito's attack while Tobirama got cut in half. I think that proves his reflexes and body speed are superior.

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[To Whatever]

Offtopic:

About their convo about being shrewd.

It's implying Madara killed Tobirama in that forest, right?

 

[Touken]

Madara fought a whole army from all angles including Naruto, Gaara, and Onoki without SM. I'm sure both he and Hashirama can react to FTG just fine.

And? That says nothing about his reactions considering he was the one on the offense, while the fodders in the SA were on the defence.

Tobirama couldn't defeat 20 shinobi.

Lol, the logic.

As for Hashirama, he was able to substitute out of Juubi Obito's attack while Tobirama got cut in half. I think that proves his reflexes and body speed are superior.

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He didn't substitute out of anything, it was a Mokuton Clone from the start. Tobirama actually tagged Obito 5 times [

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]. He managed to land 4 explosive tags on him and he marked him with a Hiraishin seal [

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], showing he tagged Obito 5 times, and Obito in that state was the fastest person in the manga, giving Tobirama the fastest reaction speed feat at that point in time.

 

[Lightbringer]

And? That says nothing about his reactions considering he was the one on the offense, while the fodders in the SA were on the defence.

Lol, the logic.

He didn't substitute out of anything, it was a Mokuton Clone from the start. Tobirama actually tagged Obito 5 times [

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]. He managed to land 4 explosive tags on him and he marked him with a Hiraishin seal [

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], showing he tagged Obito 5 times, and Obito in that state was the fastest person in the manga, giving Tobirama the fastest reaction speed feat at that point in time.

He tagged him at the cost of getting hit; if he weren't an edo it have been a completely different outcome.

Did you not see the scans? Madara was getting attack by shinobi, Naruto, Gaara, and Onoki. The Shinobi were not just on defense.


Anyways I really don't feel like arguing this. Madara defeats Tobirama, I'll leave everyone else to their own opinions

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[Jimihendrix]

FTG>10chars

 

[Touken]

He tagged him at the cost of getting hit; if he weren't an edo it have been a completely different outcome.

He took advantage of his Edo Tensei body. If he was alive, he would have Shunshin'd out the way or teleported away from the attack with Hiraishin. Not to mention his reaction speed and Shunshin would be quicker if he was alive.

Did you not see the scans? Madara was getting attack by shinobi, Naruto, Gaara, and Onoki. The Shinobi were not just on defense.


Anyways I really don't feel like arguing this. Madara defeats Tobirama, I'll leave everyone else to their own opinions

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Those shinobi have no notable speed feats, so how does this prove Madara has quicker reactions than Tobirama?

 

[The Exception]

Very entertaining argument about throwing a marked kunai in the ocean Lol the George Bush avatar makes it funny too

 

[xxSAGExx]

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so... does he say they where equal in the past? or was he just balbing around?
Not sure if Tobirama is retarded

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They were on the same level, Madara was only stronger but that doesn't mean Tobirama couldn't have beat him. Madara and Izuna were equal in MS, Madara got stronger with EMS but the power gap isn't that huge between MS and EMS. You can place them a few levels above Kage but they are on that level and capable of fighting each other. Example, Say they are on super kage level, Izuna and Tobirama would be low super Kages, EMS Madara mid, and Hashirama high.

Same way you would classify part 1 Hinata, Neji, Sasuke, Naruto during the chunin exam. Tobirama is one of the most highly intelligence guys in Naruto who created the academy, Chunin exam which prevent wars while analyzing the genin's strengths, created the anbu black opts. He's not going to say he can fight someone unless he thinks he can and he was going to go fight Madara on his own after hearing Madara have been revived.

 

[MadaraReturns]

Warp perfect susanoo? Damn the things that people make up....
Madara said that 'now' there is a gulf between their powers, but he probably means that now the difference between them is even much greater..