About the manga's power scalling........

[Sennin of Logic]

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This was the first panel in the manga. Please, those that complain about power levels, tell my how you convinced yourself that the power levels would not shoot up at some point and the manga was only about tactics? The manga couldn't have been more clear that things would get higher power levels at some point. The manga made it very clear there'd be a lot of power involved and it wasn't going to be strategy exclusive.


Also, if you think part 2 doesn't exclude strategy. It's still a part of the action, it's just the only thing it offers anymore.

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Do you see where I'm getting at? There's no reason to complain that there's no tactics because if you actually read the manga in detail, you'd see that there are clearly strategy moments in part 2. Part 1 wasn't exactly all strategy and no power either if you recall.

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I don't think what people are complaining about is the lack of strategy, because that lack is nonexistent since there is strategy. What I think people aren't liking is that it's not a focus. In which case, they shouldn't have picked up a shonen, especially since it already established that there'd be high power-levels on the first panel. Naruto is a manga that combines large-scaled power with tactics. If you want a strategy-exclusive manga, you should be reading code-geass and death note or something. This clearly wasn't the focus of Naruto ever since the beginning. It's just an aspect, always has been.

 

[Bling Kai]

Who said part 2 had zero strategy.

 

[Gagster]

People just love to complain is all.

 

[Lord Tywin]

This could be true

 

[Xlad]

The difference lies in the fact that shurikens, kunais, and all the other weapons aren't being used as much.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Who said part 2 had zero strategy.

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[Sennin of Logic]

The difference lies in the fact that shurikens, kunais, and all the other weapons aren't being used as much.

1 word. Minato


In any case, that's really not something that I would miss at all.

 

[Snape Uchiha]

If you are talking about my comment I never said there was no strategy in part 2. I was referring to the war, specifically after Naruto got BM. There is still some strategy, but not as much as there used to be in part one and earlier in part 2.

 

[NarutoB]

People just love to complain is all.

Real talk.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Made it to the first pic and stopped reading, and here's why. You're wrong, the first page of the manga didn't imply future power ups especially to the level of God, you're seeing what you want to see now that the facts are out. That first panel implies that the 9 tails demon fox is the greatest power known in Naruto.

The fact that they needed to unite the shinobi to fight it and only one could beat it by sacrificing his life would imply that the demon fox should have been the greatest power, if the powerscaling in Naruto had went from Part 1 to Kurama level at EOS that would have been a nice, natural, gradual progression, instead Naruto goes from clown, to moderately good ninja, to #1 in his class, to savior to God.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

If you are talking about my comment I never said there was no strategy in part 2. I was referring to the war, specifically after Naruto got BM. There is still some strategy, but not as much as there used to be in part one and earlier in part 2.

Wasn't your post specifically, but this view has been growing again, so I'm establishing why it's incorrect before it becomes the popular opinion again, Nothing worse than having a forum filled with people complaining about the series we're all reading.

 

[Osagyefo]

True story, people tend to forget things easily...
Great job...

 

[Umari Senju]

The difference lies in the fact that shurikens, kunais, and all the other weapons aren't being used as much.

I think you are right. When people think "ninja" they mostly think kunai, swords, ninja wire, hiding in shadows, smoke bombs, etc. Not Giant fireballs, instantly prouting poisonous flower forests, meteors from the sky, etc. Albiet these are cool and considered Ninpo, I think the main issue is they are far too destructive and leave very little to strategy. Mainly the stradegy for these jutsu are:

Don't get hit by them/Throw another large scale justsu at it. Rinse and repeat.

In all honesty it isn't about the justu for me. It's the redunandcy and the sudden burst of mega powers that sprouted up in this war. How many rikudo rehashes have been on the field now? 4. that's how many. Obito, Madara, Sasuke, and Naruto.

It's pretty much lost it's charm. Is there still stratedgy? Yup sure. Is it great and epic and perfect at many of you say it is. Not in my opinion. But it helps move a very slow moving arc along.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Made it to the first pic and stopped reading, and here's why. You're wrong, the first page of the manga didn't imply future power ups especially to the level of God, you're seeing what you want to see now that the facts are out. That first panel implies that the 9 tails demon fox is the greatest power known in Naruto.

The fact that they needed to unite the shinobi to fight it and only one could beat it by sacrificing his life would imply that the demon fox should have been the greatest power, if the powerscaling in Naruto had went from Part 1 to Kurama level at EOS that would have been a nice, natural, gradual progression, instead Naruto goes from clown, to moderately good ninja, to #1 in his class, to savior to God.

Except that doesn't even really matter as long as the fights are entertaining, and despite ascending to god level, there's still strategy.

 

[Tobi98]

Everyone should've known that the power scalling would change, I mean Naruto would control Kurama sooner or later and the 1st paragraph in the Manga said that Kurama could destroy mountains by swinging his tails, what did you expect?

About strategy, part 2 had tons of strategy

• Shikamaru and Kakashi vs Hidan and Kakuzu
• Sasuke vs Deidara
• Naruto vs Pain
• Sasuke vs Danzo
• Konan vs Obito
• Anbush Squad vs Deidara and Sasori
• Darui vs Ginkaku and Kinkaku
• Team Asuma and Darui vs Kinkaku
• Team Asuma vs Asuma
• Gokages vs Madara ( a little)
• Naruto, Bee and Itachi vs Nagato
• Sasuke and Itachi vs Kabuto
• Kakashi, Bee, Guy and Naruto vs Obito
• Allience vs Juubi
• Tobirama, Minato, Sasuke and Naruto vs Juubito
• Obito and Kakashi vs Madara
• Guy, Kakashi, Minato and Gaara vs Madara
• Sasuke and Naruto vs Madara

 

[Umari Senju]

Everyone should've known that the power scalling would change, I mean Naruto would control Kurama sooner or later and the 1st paragraph in the Manga said that Kurama could destroy mountains by swinging his tails, what did you expect?

About strategy, part 2 had tons of strategy

• Shikamaru and Kakashi vs Hidan and Kakuzu
• Sasuke vs Deidara
• Naruto vs Pain
• Sasuke vs Danzo
• Konan vs Obito
• Anbush Squad vs Deidara and Sasori
• Darui vs Ginkaku and Kinkaku
• Team Asuma and Darui vs Kinkaku
• Team Asuma vs Asuma
• Gokages vs Madara ( a little)
• Naruto, Bee and Itachi vs Nagato
• Sasuke and Itachi vs Kabuto
• Kakashi, Bee, Guy and Naruto vs Obito
• Allience vs Juubi
• Tobirama, Minato, Sasuke and Naruto vs Juubito
• Obito and Kakashi vs Madara
• Guy, Kakashi, Minato and Gaara vs Madara
• Sasuke and Naruto vs Madara

I think you guys are missing the point. It isn't part II in it's entirty that have people are up in arms about. It's just this war. The war only. Not the begining of part II not the middle of part II just the war. Ask most of the complainers where did they start disliking this power scaling, most of them say around the Naruto VS Pain Sasuke VS Kage/Danzo. That is just shy of the begining of the war.

The war still has it's moments though honestly if Kishi truly wanted to make this war epic. Nagato, Itachi, Kisame, Konan all should have died in this war. Not as edo but as themselves.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I think you guys are missing the point. It isn't part II in it's entirty that have people up in arms. It's just this war. The war only. Not the begining of part II not the middle of part II just the end. Ask most of the complainers where did they start disliking this power scaling, most of them say around the Naruto VS Pain Sasuke VS Kage. That is just shy of the begining of the war.

Wait a minute, Naruto VS Pain easily had every bit as much strategy as part 1. Why would they complain about that? It had everything, awesome powers, tactics, an awesome villain. It was perfection. I could understand a little with the kages.

 

[Hermit Of All Paths]

what?! _@:

 

[Xlad]

I think you are right. When people think "ninja" they mostly think kunai, swords, ninja wire, hiding in shadows, smoke bombs, etc. Not Giant fireballs, instantly prouting poisonous flower forests, meteors from the sky, etc. Albiet these are cool and considered Ninpo, I think the main issue is they are far too destructive and leave very little to strategy. Mainly the strategy for these jutsu are:

Don't get hit by them/Throw another large scale justsu at it. Rinse and repeat.

In all honesty it isn't about the justu for me. It's the redundancy and the sudden burst of mega powers that sprouted up in this war. How many rikudo rehashes have been on the field now? 4. that's how many. Obito, Madara, Sasuke, and Naruto.

It's pretty much lost it's charm. Is there still strategy? Yup sure. Is it great and epic and perfect at many of you say it is. Not in my opinion. But it helps move a very slow moving arc along.

The bold parts said it for me. The large scale of the jutsus made it stand out too much and somewhat overshadowed the little things. If the scale and power level was tone down a bit, then the strategies implemented would be more visual that the destructive scales themselves. NxM is right in a way that Part 2 still uses tricks and plans; it's just the overwhelming power levels that gets in the way.

 

[Umari Senju]

Wait a minute, Naruto VS Pain easily had every bit as much strategy as part 1. Why would they complain about that? It had everything, awesome powers, tactics, an awesome villain. It was perfection. I could understand a little with the kages.

Not the fight itself but the events there after. That fight is still my favorite of them all to date. This fight marked the begining of the end of the old power scale. This fight also showed the large power scale we see in the war but brilliantly mixed with everything from tactics, to taijutsu, to ninja tools, summons etc.