About Hagoromo's eyes

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Everyone saying the fillers arent manga fact. Some people saying it simply because they like to say it and are being stubborn.

We are not talking about Road to TenTen here. Or the filler we had to endure when Naruto was on his way to train on Turtle Island. We are not talking about the Ninja Ostrich.

Some filler are to be seen as Canon, as it is an indisputable that Kishi presented us with many plotholes and unanswered questions during his writing of the manga and subsequent running out of time.

So the Itachi 'filler' or the Itachi backstory.
Or the Kaguya 'filler' or the Kaguya backstory.
Itachi in Anbu.

These things have been included specifically for the purpose of rectifying the plotholes that kishi was not able to fill owing to the fact that he ran out of time. How do you know he is not the one helping Studio Perriot with the ideas in these backstories?

Hagoromo had the Sharingan. It makes perfect sense. He later gained the Rinnegan. He also studied and was taught Frog Sage Mode. - even in that sense things are being explained and loose ends/plot holes being tied up.

I am really enjoying this backstory actually.

But i find people on here make me laugh at the same time. I read on so many threads (before the end of the manga) people on here saying "What about the History of the Sage!" and "What about Itachis Story!" as well as "What about what happened to the Uzumakis!!" and many said they'd be cool if these things would be explained even after the ending of the manga.

But now you are getting some explanations you are still complaining, even though it is being presented in such a good way.

Yaaawwn. People just being stubborn now. You are getting the answers you had asked for!

I am not a fan of fillers either! But at least i can see when it serves develop the plot itself. Its basically Canon, hence SP's timing in providing the backstories to us.

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[Ansatsuken]

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Why someone? why not you? If you find it as the greatest explanation/post in this life and Rep++++++++++++++ it, you should use it as Sig

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

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thanks for the rep man. and by all means you can use it as a sig. heres a rep back!!

 

[ninjarasengan]

Thats what I'm trying to clarify. Alot of people are saying SP gave Kishi the basis for Kaguya. I just need proof.

careful before you spread this kind of info...Could be made up, like that popular rumor "Kishimoto said Madara was as strong as Nappa"

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Can't really say that I'm looking forward to that, to be honest. The Juubi sealing process is bond to plot a plot hole, anyway. No matter which version they go with they will have to contradict some other facts.

I se your point. Lets hope they stop before they go too far with it but far enough to explain some things but then bring it right back round again to manga canon and back to the battle between Kaguya, Naruto, and Sasuke.

But honestly speaking, i'm glad we've had these fillers for the simple fact that going back into canon i think most people will see more substane and backstory to kaguya.

i was one of the main people who disliked her when kishi did that asspull to Madaras character.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

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[SilverfoxUchiha]

Alright man you got it.

Loool i'm jus joking around man. dont take a thing too serious.

and OT, we are both entitled to have our opinion.

but i did pic up on the first message you sent hence my general tone.

Anyway, good debating man

 

[Troyg39]

Loool i'm jus joking around man. dont take a thing too serious.

and OT, we are both entitled to have our opinion.

but i did pic up on the first message you sent hence my general tone.

Anyway, good debating man

Lol good talk boss

 

[NarutoX28]

But its manga fact that Rinnegan is the evolutionary end for Sharingan.

No it's not. The Sharingan and Rinnegan are 2 Dojutsus independent from each other, hence why Kaguya awakened both Dojutsus through the Shinju simultaneously. Indra needing Ashura's Chakra to awaken the Rinnegan only signifies that the Sharingan is comprised of Yin whereas the Rinnegan are comprised of both Yin and Yang, but the Rinnegan isn't the evolutionary end of the Sharingan. That would belong to the Eternal Magnekyo Sharingan.

 

[123fire]

No it's not. The Sharingan and Rinnegan are 2 Dojutsus independent from each other, hence why Kaguya awakened both Dojutsus through the Shinju simultaneously. Indra needing Ashura's Chakra to awaken the Rinnegan only signifies that the Sharingan is comprised of Yin whereas the Rinnegan are comprised of both Yin and Yang, but the Rinnegan isn't the evolutionary end of the Sharingan. That would belong to the Eternal Magnekyo Sharingan.

Not true!! It is said from sharingan to rennigan about Madara when he put some senju DNA he awakened the rennigan he happened to have an EMS

 

[NarutoX28]

Not true!! It is said from sharingan to rennigan about Madara when he put some senju DNA he awakened the rennigan he happened to have an EMS

It never said anything about his EMS evolving into a Rinnegan. Only stated that his own Chakra combined with Ashura's which awoke his Rinnegan. What proves my argument is the fact that Madara sacrificed one of his eyes for Izanagi, thus, losing the Sharingan's powers in one of his eyes yet still awoke the Rinnegan in both eyes.

And what I stated was true. The Rinnegan and Sharingan were born simultaneously, so it's impossible for the Rinnegan to have been the evolved form of the Sharingan.

 

[Holy God]

But its manga fact that Rinnegan is the evolutionary end for Sharingan.

And all Otsutsuki have clear eyes like that. Kinshiki didnt even have byakugan even though he had clear eyes as well. Those clear eyes are Otsutsuki standard


It makes no sense to be born Overpowered. No one is.

Indra wasnt born with Mangekyou.
Hamura wasnt born with Tenseigan.
Tailed Beasts were babies and grew to be strong.

All these are powers you have to awaken.

The Sharingan does not evolve into the Rinnegan, they are separate eyes. That was Kabuto's theory but it was proven wrong when the idea of transmigration was introduced.

 

[SenseiSama]

Hagoromo was the elder brother. By Kishimoto's portrayals the elder brother always start out stronger and a genius.(excluding Hashirama and Madara)
By your logic Hamura was stronger than Hagoromo nearly their whole life until Hagoromo awakened Rinnegan. Which would mean once Hamura awakened Tenseigan he became stronger until Hagoromo became JJ.

They were twins, the manga shows them being born at the same time. And as I said Hamura would have started out stronger because he was born with eye powers like Hyuga while Hagoromo had to awaken his dojutsu.

The author originally portrayed Hamura's Byakugan power being equal to Hagoromo's Rinnegan power (Yin = Yang), he didn't need Tenseigan when hey were sealing Kaguya and it was a last minute power-up Kishi made to put him on the same level as the Sage when he became JuubiJin.

 

[TheSages456]

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"The elder was born with the Sage's "eyes"."


Not seeing the problem with Hagoromo possessing the dojutsu that he genetically passed down to his own son, but I guess common sense isn't so common :lol

 

[Ansatsuken]

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"The elder was born with the Sage's "eyes"."


Not seeing the problem with Hagoromo possessing the dojutsu that he genetically passed down to his own son, but I guess common sense isn't so common :lol

If you mean Sharingan eyes

Its not about common sense.

My common sense also said it possible but It never been told in the form of fact by Manga/DB. Mean we couldnt lightly used it in discussion

Simple,

I quote you not bcus you quoted me but its free discussion site :sdo:

 

[SenseiSama]

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Not seeing the problem with Hagoromo possessing the dojutsu that he genetically passed down to his own son, but I guess common sense isn't so common :lol

Because manga has repeatedly stated Rinnegan is the Sage's eyes not Sharingan. Yin + Yang = Rinnegan not Sharingan

 

[123fire]

Because manga has repeatedly stated Rinnegan is the Sage's eyes not Sharingan. Yin + Yang = Rinnegan not Sharingan

Are you stupid??? To reach the rennigan Hagoromo should have the sharingan... Oh gooooooodddd can u just accept the truth????? If Hagoromo awakened the sharingan in the manga you won't say a thing since its a MANGA fact , but just because its in the anime u neglect it and say its filler... Dumbasss really dumbass

 

[SenseiSama]

Are you stupid??? To reach the rennigan Hagoromo should have the sharingan... Oh gooooooodddd can u just accept the truth????? If Hagoromo awakened the sharingan in the manga you won't say a thing since its a MANGA fact , but just because its in the anime u neglect it and say its filler... Dumbasss really dumbass

Are you stupid ? Sharingan is a result of not having Ashura's chakra, Hagoromo already had Yin/Yang therefore skips Sharingan phase and awakens Rinnegan directly. Manga never said Hagoromo had a Sharingan stop trying to make filler canon because it's NOT.

 

[HyuugaHeir]

Are you stupid ? Sharingan is a result of not having Ashura's chakra, Hagoromo already had Yin/Yang therefore skips Sharingan phase and awakens Rinnegan directly. Manga never said Hagoromo had a Sharingan stop trying to make filler canon because it's NOT.

I too believe that Hagoromo shouldnt be displaying to have the sharingan. But with how the anime ran, it is as almost one can consider the disbelief and tolerate him having sharingan. It isn't entirely impossible really. Thinking Indra having the Sharingan, which he actually got from his father, who yes, guessed it right, did possess sharingan at one point.

another is having the sharingan further proves that it really is a mutation of the Byakugan. Consider hagoromo having the Byakugan, but to their surprise is a defective one. We didnt see him activate it. It's only normal to speculate that this eye of his is actually a mutation, err the Sharingan in later form.

Again, everything doesnt change the fact that it is all from a filler episode. canon worthy as long as the anime team don't ruin it

 

[SenseiSama]

I too believe that Hagoromo shouldnt be displaying to have the sharingan. But with how the anime ran, it is as almost one can consider the disbelief and tolerate him having sharingan. It isn't entirely impossible really. Thinking Indra having the Sharingan, which he actually got from his father, who yes, guessed it right, did possess sharingan at one point.

another is having the sharingan further proves that it really is a mutation of the Byakugan. Consider hagoromo having the Byakugan, but to their surprise is a defective one. We didnt see him activate it. It's only normal to speculate that this eye of his is actually a mutation, err the Sharingan in later form.

Again, everything doesnt change the fact that it is all from a filler episode. canon worthy as long as the anime team don't ruin it

Hagoromo never had the Byakugan though, the base mode Byakugan design is just a normal Otsutsuki eye but the Byakugan powers were solely inherited by Hamura and not by the Sage.

Byakugan and RinneSharingan are two separate dojutsu that were both awakened after Kaguya ate the fruit, each son inherited the chakra genes for separate dojutsu. The Sage had her RinneSharingan genes while Hamura had her Byakugan genes.

And the powers of Kaguya's RinneSharingan were divided as her blood and chakra got more diluted, Hagoromo got a devolved state of her dojutsu in the shape of a Rinnegan while Indra got an ever further devolved state of her dojutsu in the shape of a Sharingan.

The Sharingan was a result of not having Hagoromo's full chakra, Indra had the RinneSharingan genes like the Sage but not the chakra to awaken the same level of dojutsu so as a result he inherited a more degraded version of Kaguya's eye in the form of a new KKG.

Sharingan and Rinnegan are two separate KKG and the Sage only had one. The anime is filler and not canon so Hagoromo having a Sharingan isn't fact but just wishful thinking until author confirms it.