[Predictions] A way to defeat all Dojutsu (Eye Techniques)?

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Just wanted to share a really simple theory that has been bothering me for a while. Please feel free to abuse it if you think it is wrong.

I think that there is a really simple way to defeat all Dojutsu.

Remember how Zabuza used the Mist technique to fight Kakashi? Basically, the principle to defeat a dojutsu user is to blind him.

However, this does not have to be done using mist or smoke that blinds the user, too. There is a better way, and I think Naruto has almost got it.

Imagine standing in front of a very strong light that is directed into your eyes. You cannot see anything, but the person standing behind the source of light can see you very clearly.

Now imagine that your body is a source of such strong light that it blinds anyone looking at it. Would that not be enought to beat Dojutsu?

1) All eye-based genjutsu, including Tsukuyomi, require to the user to look at the victim
2) Amaterasu burns everything "in line of sight". What if there is no sight?
3) Rinnegan is worse. Shinra Tensei seems to work in all directions, and the user does not have to look at the victim. The same goes for the technique to absorb ninjutsu. So this simple way would not work against the Rinnegan
 
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But wouldn't the byakugan be able to see the chakra of the person using this strategy and attack by focusing on the chakra alone? I know becides Hizashi (i think that's right) there are no edo tensei byakugan users, but im just saying in general.
 

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Nice theory, it would be cool if someone could pull it off but unlikely :)
Naruto has no fire techniques so not sure how he would be able to make a light that's bright enough, his nine-tails mode is just a kind of glow. Don't really know anyone that would be able to pull off a technique like that, the light would have to be even brighter then a wall of fire since Sasuke and Itachi had no problem looking at each other with a sea of flames in between them.
 

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It isn't really a way to defeat it. Sure, it may work to prevent the Dojutsu to be activated but with some wiliness and slyness (like Clones manipulation), you may actually get to close range of your adversary and use it in his blind spot.

As you take the example of Zabuza v/s Kakashi, as you remember Kakashi with his combat analysis was actually able to fight Zabuza once he got close enough to him.

It's just a defense, not a counter. It may serve to retard the attack but in no way, will it nullify or reverse it completely.

Except if the light is enough to blind the dojutsu user irreversibly but I doubt any shinobi will carry a Sun-like Lamp with him, in case of.
 

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But wouldn't the byakugan be able to see the chakra of the person using this strategy and attack by focusing on the chakra alone? I know becides Hizashi (i think that's right) there are no edo tensei byakugan users, but im just saying in general.
they can probably see their chakra by using their byakugan to search them out, but as for direct attacks like hitting their chakra points, it would make all that impossible.
 

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It isn't really a way to defeat it. Sure, it may work to prevent the Dojutsu to be activated but with some wiliness and slyness (like Clones manipulation), you may actually get to close range of your adversary and use it in his blind spot.

As you take the example of Zabuza v/s Kakashi, as you remember Kakashi with his combat analysis was actually able to fight Zabuza once he got close enough to him.

It's just a defense, not a counter. It may serve to retard the attack but in no way, will it nullify or reverse it completely.

Except if the light is enough to blind the dojutsu user irreversibly but I doubt any shinobi will carry a Sun-like Lamp with him, in case of.
I think he means that his whole body will be glowing, and it would be bright for anyone to look at, including a clone.
 

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Tell me the last time, you saw someone eyes getting blinded forever just by looking at a huge light source. :|
lol, no he's saying that this is a jutsu that the user can make last for a while, and while he's using it, it will blind the eyes of the opponent meaning as long as it's activated the opponent can't see the user.
 

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lol, no he's saying that this is a jutsu that the user can make last for a while, and while he's using it, it will blind the eyes of the opponent meaning as long as it's activated the opponent can't see the user.
Well, that's what I contradict with, isn't it?

I'm saying that if the effect can't lead to permanent blindness; then with some slyness like Substitution Jutsus or Kagebunshin, the opponent can actually get close range easily.

Dojutsu may be stopped but not handseals and since the effect is not permanent, it's just a temporary measure; not exactly an efficient counter.
 

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Well, that's what I contradict with, isn't it?

I'm saying that if the effect can't lead to permanent blindness; then with some slyness like Substitution Jutsus or Kagebunshin, the opponent can actually get close range easily.

Dojutsu may be stopped but not handseals and since the effect is not permanent, it's just a temporary measure; not exactly an efficient counter.
yeah, but what is the clone going to do? he's going to join the blind guy as soon as he's cloned if he looks at him. and it may be temporary, but how long is temporary? the raikage was able to boost up his speed with lightning element and that was his answer for the amaterasu, we know that consumes chakra and will eventually end but we don't know how long. I know the doujusts user can fight him other way, but using amaterasu or tsukyomi would be out of the question.
 

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Well, that's what I contradict with, isn't it?

I'm saying that if the effect can't lead to permanent blindness; then with some slyness like Substitution Jutsus or Kagebunshin, the opponent can actually get close range easily.

Dojutsu may be stopped but not handseals and since the effect is not permanent, it's just a temporary measure; not exactly an efficient counter.
Well, you are right that it would still be possible for a Dojutsu user to fight using other means and to get close to the source of light.

But have you ever looked at the sun (or a lightbulb ;) for a while? If you try to do that (don't ;) then you get spots in your eyes that last for a while. As a matter of fact, if you do it for too long, you _will_ go blind!

What I meant for Naruto is that if he could make his body shine stronger, he would be able to defeat most Dojutsu. Also, since he is so fast, it would be hard for his opponents to sneak up on him like you suggest.

But of course this would still not make him invincible... I do not think anyone is... Except S6P, of course.
 

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Well, you are right that it would still be possible for a Dojutsu user to fight using other means and to get close to the source of light.

But have you ever looked at the sun (or a lightbulb ;) for a while? If you try to do that (don't ;) then you get spots in your eyes that last for a while. As a matter of fact, if you do it for too long, you _will_ go blind!

What I meant for Naruto is that if he could make his body shine stronger, he would be able to defeat most Dojutsu. Also, since he is so fast, it would be hard for his opponents to sneak up on him like you suggest.

But of course this would still not make him invincible... I do not think anyone is... Except S6P, of course.
Yes, but the reason you see spots is because, light affects the retina.
Sure, blindness is caused by retina damage but the retina is a whole layer and it's not that easy to damage it to a large extent with light. Sure, it will damage your vision hugely but not till blindness. Or to say the least, the shininess of Naruto definitely won't give that effect.

And I don't think that Golden Nature on Naruto is some type of light. It's just chakra, I don't think it will illuminate like the user wish.

And anyways, if something as silly as shininess were to affect Dojutsu user, then Obito must be the best user ever.

He wears goggles -.-
 

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Yes, but the reason you see spots is because, light affects the retina.
Sure, blindness is caused by retina damage but the retina is a whole layer and it's not that easy to damage it to a large extent with light. Sure, it will damage your vision hugely but not till blindness. Or to say the least, the shininess of Naruto definitely won't give that effect.

And I don't think that Golden Nature on Naruto is some type of light. It's just chakra, I don't think it will illuminate like the user wish.

And anyways, if something as silly as shininess were to affect Dojutsu user, then Obito must be the best user ever.

He wears goggles -.-
Sure, Naruto cannot do it now. But come on -- how difficult can it be to increase the intensity of the glow compared to, for example, the Tailed Beast bomb? It would seem to me that not just Naruto, but many other shinobi could use techniques like that, which do not seem specially complicated.

On the other hand, of course a dojutsu user could wear goggles, and perhaps that's the answer for them. So the light-based technique would only work once, as a kind of surprise attack.
 
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