A Tribute to Genjutsu

[-ahhimane-]

Why people think that there exist only Tsukuyomi now?
The moment Itachi showed his Tsukuyomi technique, most people started believing that all the Uchihas can use Tsukuyomi either weak or strong.

We have seen many shinobis using Genjutsu like Kurenai, Orochimaru, Kakashi, Tayuya, Kabuto, Hiruzen, Itachi, Sasuke fodder ninjas etc.
But after some manga chapters there were very few shinobis like Itachi, Kabuto, Sasuke, Kakashi left who can still use Genjutsu.
But people are not trying to accept that Itachi's Tsukuyomi is a special one which cannot be used by anyone. Just because Madara's plan says Infinite Tsukuyomi, they believe even Madara knows Tsukuyomi.
Tsukuyomi was called because of the strength of the Genjutsu.
Even Kabuto used a high level Genjutsu on Itachi and Sasuke, but the technique was not called as Tsukuyomi.

Sasuke uses normal Genjutsu. He does not possess Tsukuyomi.
During his battle with Danzo, he casted a normal genjutsu on Danzo's hand only to make him believe that the Sharingan on his hand is still open. But then he removed it. Tobi explains it completely in chapter

Also during his battle with Kabuto in the cave, after falling into his Genjutsu, he used normal genjutsu while itachi used Tsukuyomi, You can see the difference in the Genjutsu world casted by both. Itachi controls time in Tsukuyomi but sasuke doesn't.

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[Naijakid]

Itachi is six foot under

 

[take it easy]

hiruzen dont use genjutsu.

 

[-ahhimane-]

hiruzen dont use genjutsu.

So you think, a Hokage don't even know a Genjutsu?

 

[Bantos]

Tayuya is the strongest character ever. No one can escape her sound genjutsu. :|

 

[-ahhimane-]

Tayuya is the strongest character ever. No one can escape her sound genjutsu. :|

One can escape a genjutsu by casting another Genjutsu on himself by someone else.

 

[Bantos]

One can escape a genjutsu by casting another Genjutsu on himself by someone else.

If you're alone vs Tayuya you lose. :| At least that's what I learned today. Weird.
And everyone loses against Kurenai one on one if the enemy doesn't posses a sharingan or a bijuu.

 

[-ahhimane-]

If you're alone vs Tayuya you lose. :| At least that's what I learned today. Weird.
And everyone loses against Kurenai one on one if the enemy doesn't posses a sharingan or a bijuu.

Yes that's true.

 

[NagatoSolos]

hiruzen dont use genjutsu.

I like your grammar .

 

[FemmeFatale]

Tayuya is the strongest character ever. No one can escape her sound genjutsu. :|

I think Sakura and Tsunade easily break out of it,
From there resistance and yin seal

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

These points have already been made before but keep in mind that the demographic of naruto fans are young so they will be too imature to admit it

 

[-ahhimane-]

These points have already been made before but keep in mind that the demographic of naruto fans are young so they will be too imature to admit it

Yeah I've also came across such kids

 

[Bantos]

I think Sakura and Tsunade easily break out of it,
From there resistance and yin seal

Well they should be able to do that. At least with Katsuyu's help they can escape it. But I don't know. Itachi and Sasuke needed eachothers help in order to break away from Tayuya's genjutsu.
So if it were Tayuya vs Itachi, Tayuya would actually win. :|

 

[Draxus]

One can escape a genjutsu by casting another Genjutsu on himself by someone else.

Heh... a truly skilled ninja indeed.

 

[JMannn]

Madara and Sasuke do know Tsukuyomi. It was stated in the manda that, to awaken the third power of the Mangekyo, the Susanoo, you need to awaken the Tsukuyomi and the Amaterasu. You can then infer, that Madara mastered the two, same for Sasuke. Besides, Sasuke used Tsukuyomi on Danzo. Danzo remarked that his Tsuk, was fairly weak compared to Itachi's. IMO the reason for Sasuke not using Tsu in that panel, is his non-mastery of it, so a great deplection of chackra, something not apliable to Itachi, due to his edo form, and mastery of the jutsu.

Regarding genjutsu power, the manga is relatively vague, establishing lots of different scales in various parts. In the Chunnin, a mildly genjutsu from Kabuto put half the shinobi to sleep, except for the elite, and a few genjutsu type shinobi. Some chapters later, Kakashi was mind-rapped by Itachi and Tsuk. Kurenai although, was brought to her feet ina genjutsu battle against Itachi, even though her supposed mastery of the techniques. In Part II, no shinobi falls prey to basic genjutsu, except for genins, and some chunins, being only some elite guys can one-hit kill with genj, mainly Itachi. The rest of the use is to aid the rest of the techniques, like Sasuke battle with Danzo, or Orochimaru and his edos agains the third.

You can't make an assumption like that, nor you could say Kurenai and Tauya are very strong. They got beaten up all the times they got some panel time.

Cheers

 

[FemmeFatale]

Well they should be able to do that. At least with Katsuyu's help they can escape it. But I don't know. Itachi and Sasuke needed eachothers help in order to break away from Tayuya's genjutsu.
So if it were Tayuya vs Itachi, Tayuya would actually win. :|

Sharrigan resistance is only effective against visual genjutsu, sound and other sense genjutsu are highly effective towards them, sakura and tsunade only have to activate there yin seals to escape. Or maybe sakura can get out by her own power but idk lol

 

[Trolling King]

Sage toad's song > Tsukuyomi
therefore Jiriya > Itachi
oh wait didn't he send itachi and kisame running.

 

[Gerkak]

I totally agree with the OP. All genjutsu used via the sharingan are classified under sharingan:genjutsu. However certain genjutsus have to perform specific functions to be distinct. Such as tsukuyomi controlling time and kotoamatsukami controlling people without them knowing. As long as a sharingan genjutsu does not meet these requirements then it is classified as ordinary genjutsu cast via sharingan. The databook was made when only itachi had susanoo that's why people get confused. The databook said hebi sasuke's strength exceeded akatsuki and we all know that ain't true. Be mature and don't flame please.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Madara and Sasuke do know Tsukuyomi. It was stated in the manda that, to awaken the third power of the Mangekyo, the Susanoo, you need to awaken the Tsukuyomi and the Amaterasu. You can then infer, that Madara mastered the two, same for Sasuke. Besides, Sasuke used Tsukuyomi on Danzo. Danzo remarked that his Tsuk, was fairly weak compared to Itachi's. IMO the reason for Sasuke not using Tsu in that panel, is his non-mastery of it, so a great deplection of chackra, something not apliable to Itachi, due to his edo form, and mastery of the jutsu.

Regarding genjutsu power, the manga is relatively vague, establishing lots of different scales in various parts. In the Chunnin, a mildly genjutsu from Kabuto put half the shinobi to sleep, except for the elite, and a few genjutsu type shinobi. Some chapters later, Kakashi was mind-rapped by Itachi and Tsuk. Kurenai although, was brought to her feet ina genjutsu battle against Itachi, even though her supposed mastery of the techniques. In Part II, no shinobi falls prey to basic genjutsu, except for genins, and some chunins, being only some elite guys can one-hit kill with genj, mainly Itachi. The rest of the use is to aid the rest of the techniques, like Sasuke battle with Danzo, or Orochimaru and his edos agains the third.

You can't make an assumption like that, nor you could say Kurenai and Tauya are very strong. They got beaten up all the times they got some panel time.

Cheers

Take a look at what Tobi explained to us(indirectly)

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Since Danzo compared Sasuke's Genjutsu, of using Itachi's illusion, with Itachi's Tsukuyomi doesn't mean that Sasuke can also use Tsukuyomi, Uchihas are meant for their ocular powers which also includes a normal Genjutsu.
Get it?
Also, Itachi explained his case of achieving Susano'o, that's not for everyone. For sasuke, Sasuke got Amaterasu and the Amaterasu manipulating powers. These are the two powers he got and he awakened Susano'o.
Itachi and Sasuke got caught under Tayuya's Genjutsu until they put each other under Genjutsu. Otherwise, Itachi had been under Kabuto's control.
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Heh... a truly skilled ninja indeed.

There's no need for a skilled ninja to cast a Genjutsu on one who's under genjutsu. Itachi put Naruto under a strong Genjutsu but Sakura and Granny chiyo disrupted his chakra flow and break the genjutsu. So only requirement is one has to disrupt the chakra flow depending upon the condition under which the victim is.

Also Tsukuyomi controls the mind and time in which the victim lives but normal Genjutsu is created by the user to make the victim a fool in the current flowing time

 

[JMannn]

Are you alergic to reasoning? It was implied in the Manga not just once, I will not bother searching for it of course. But you look to lack the knowledge on what genjutsu is. Genjutsu is a type of ninjutsu which falls in the category of Yin release, as said by the 2nd Mizukage. As for any release, you could just control the element trough sheer will, like when Naruto uses Rasenshuriken, it's just mixed with the Chackra physical Manipulation, or Asuma incircling his blades with Wind chackra, and many others. As for genjutsu, you can certainly impair some kind of Yin release, to alter the flow of chackra in some user. The Sharingan is something that could probably facilitate/enable, this type of release, thus enabling a kind of generalistic Genjutsu-Sharingan as appointed. Although you can use this kind of release in a controlled manner, with kekkei genkai or hand seals involved, getting us to the field of the Sharingan genjutsus, Izanagi, Izanami, Mangekyo's, Tsukuyomi, Kotoamatasukami, and probably some others still unknown.

After this rest assured, Sasuke DOES know Tsukuyomi, you could use all the trickery or word misunderstanding you want, it was implied in the manga several times. And even if he didn't before, after he gor EMS, he got Itachi's powers, so get along with it. Madara got it, if you don't like the Susanno explanation, the Moon Eye plan serves as a good explanation to. Obito somehow knows it also, could be a second power to his Mangekyo, as just one was revelead so far.

Now, if you have some good arguments, that are validated facts, to discusse with, I would love to hear those. But if all you've got is some relative supposition, based on a subjective perception of your misunderstanding of the manga, please don't bother responding.

Have a nice day